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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Wed, 09 May 2007 03:06
That was already discussed here Smile

Alas, no Churchill from Perrin either. Crying or Very Sad

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Wed, 09 May 2007 03:26
JMcL63 wrote on Tue, 08 May 2007 21:01

Which models would I like to see for the British expansion when it comes?

Infantry: rifleman with bayonet- the good old Lee Enfield .303 naturally enough.


Sure, do not forget the tin hat.

JMcL63 wrote on Tue, 08 May 2007 21:01

Tanks: Churchill or Cromwell- sure they're late war and not early war, but I just think that either of these were more important than any of the early war models (or even all of them put together?). Wink


Not the Cromwell, I think they where few, and only one brigade was equiped with them.

Churchill, Matilda or Cruzader for tank.

25pd for artillery

Hurricane or Tempest for the air pac rules (ground support)

      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Wed, 09 May 2007 04:06
thats well bad shame on perrin it has to be the churchill its iconic its the shape evry one knows it
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 06 September 2007 06:15
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now, wich tank? Rolling Eyes

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 06 September 2007 17:43
Perrin makes a good Grant (or Lee as it were depending...an M3 in any case)

I would think that would be the best choice for what they have available.
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 06 September 2007 20:24
fwiw, we only used Perrin minis as models for the base game tanks and artillery, not for any of the other armies (Russian, Japanese, ...)

So I'm afraid looking at their models won't give much hint of what the British tanks will be Very Happy
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 06 September 2007 20:38
eric wrote on Thu, 06 September 2007 19:24

fwiw, we only used Perrin minis as models for the base game tanks and artillery, not for any of the other armies (Russian, Japanese, ...)

So I'm afraid looking at their models won't give much hint of what the British tanks will be Very Happy


of "OF WHAT" he say of what Love Love it has a nice ring to it so come on eric is IT official
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Fri, 07 September 2007 00:08
Churchills, surely Smile

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Fri, 07 September 2007 00:30
what else Exclamation anyting else would be 2nd best Rolling Eyes churchills an icon.
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Fri, 07 September 2007 03:22
Eric,

Thanks for your not so subtle notice that the British will be coming! Wooohooo, now I have extra motivation to finish painting my BattleLore set.
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Fri, 07 September 2007 08:22
If you listen to Eric's recent interview on BGG you will hear that the British expansion is scheduled for release sometime in the first half of next year. The focus is the desert war. There will be British troops, but he doesn't say which tank. There will also be a British special ability that Richard Borg calls the 'Stiff Upper Lip'... Smile
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Fri, 07 September 2007 16:23
yangtze wrote on Fri, 07 September 2007 07:22

If you listen to Eric's recent interview on BGG you will hear that the British expansion is scheduled for release sometime in the first half of next year. The focus is the desert war. There will be British troops, but he doesn't say which tank. There will also be a British special ability that Richard Borg calls the 'Stiff Upper Lip'... Smile

An official British special ability? Well that's good news! And 'Stiff Upper Lip' is an apt title. I wonder what it'll be? It sounds a bit like something to do with morale, which suggests a flag rule naturally enough. I'm looking forward to finding out the details. Wink
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Fri, 07 September 2007 18:22
If the Brits are going to have a "stiff upper lip" ability
then it is only fair that the Germans receive a "Führer und Vaterland" ability as well!
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Fri, 07 September 2007 19:58
GreatDane schrieb am Fri, 07 September 2007 18:22

If the Brits are going to have a "stiff upper lip" ability
then it is only fair that the Germans receive a "Führer und Vaterland" ability as well!


Führer und Vaterland ability? Hey, this is Memoir 44, not "Zombies!!!" Laughing
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Sat, 08 September 2007 00:51
British get a stiff upper lip,,,,,,,,,can the Italians get the "viva el Duce" card with a pasta buffet?....kidding aside, I would love to see Italians, I like Italians, I think they are under-rated by popular history. Good NCO corps, crappy middle and senior leadership. Above company level things tend to go bad..............my 2 cents worth. Did I memtion I like Italians?................Clay
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Sat, 08 September 2007 01:27
I think the addition of Italians would make it nice for when the experienced player (Italians) play a relative newbie (Brit/US). Kind of makes it interesting. Course that is assuming that the Italians have a weaker fighting ability or something since that is how they are usually portraited in games.

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Sat, 08 September 2007 09:23
I think you'll find that Italian units fought just as bravely as those of any other nation, and some units could be classed as elite. They were often let down by leadership and equipment, but that's best reflected in number of command cards.

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Mon, 10 September 2007 15:16
yangtze wrote on Sat, 08 September 2007 09:23

I think you'll find that Italian units fought just as bravely as those of any other nation, and some units could be classed as elite. They were often let down by leadership and equipment, but that's best reflected in number of command cards.


Not only that - but they lacked a reason to fight.
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Wed, 12 September 2007 04:45
clay1644 wrote on Sat, 08 September 2007 08:51

I would love to see Italians, I like Italians, I think they are under-rated by popular history. Good NCO corps, crappy middle and senior leadership. Above company level things tend to go bad..............my 2 cents worth. Did I memtion I like Italians?................Clay


Italians would be easy to implement - just use current Axis figures and give them the "Goblin Panic" ability from Battlelore... Laughing
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Sat, 15 September 2007 23:59
The British and their commonwealth compatriots were the only nation who thought throughout the entire of WWII on the allied side.

The french and polish were knocked out very quickly.
The Russians joined in late (though made the largest contribution of any allied nation in the war)
The US turned up very late

As we already have US, Russian and Japanese figures the Brits have to be the next obvious country.

Choice of tank.... From D-Day onwards the US were the dominant partner in the west. Britains greatest contributions were in the desert war and the 1940 french campaign. A matilda 2 or some form of cruiser tank would be the obvious choice for either of these. If you really wanted to do Brits in 1944 just use the american shermans!

It would be really nice to see a 25pdr for the artillery. Actually the existing artillery pieces are a bit misleading, they look like 37mm anti tank guns and are supposed to represent field artillery??

If a Brit expansion is bought out i shall of course buy it immediately regardless of which tank is used.

Andy

      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Sun, 16 September 2007 23:26
25pdrs agreed. The Matilda2/Sherman solution is tempting, but I'd still go for the iconic Churchill Smile

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Mon, 17 September 2007 14:10
The Brits are coming?
Damn, I just bought two sets of British paratroopers (Red Devils) from Esci and two sets of British Infantry from Valiant.
But then, you can never have enough troops!!!

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Mon, 17 September 2007 16:03
Captain Kremmen wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 22:59

The British and their commonwealth compatriots were the only nation who thought throughout the entire of WWII on the allied side.

The french and polish were knocked out very quickly.
The Russians joined in late (though made the largest contribution of any allied nation in the war)
The US turned up very late

As we already have US, Russian and Japanese figures the Brits have to be the next obvious country.

Choice of tank.... From D-Day onwards the US were the dominant partner in the west. Britains greatest contributions were in the desert war and the 1940 french campaign. A matilda 2 or some form of cruiser tank would be the obvious choice for either of these. If you really wanted to do Brits in 1944 just use the american shermans!

It would be really nice to see a 25pdr for the artillery. Actually the existing artillery pieces are a bit misleading, they look like 37mm anti tank guns and are supposed to represent field artillery??

If a Brit expansion is bought out i shall of course buy it immediately regardless of which tank is used.

Andy




NEXT Question THE BRITS SHOULD HAVE BEEN BOOLDY WELL FIRST Exclamation

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Mon, 17 September 2007 19:49
Has anybody mentioned the Challenger Cruiser or the Comet tanks?
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Mon, 17 September 2007 20:07
Slotracer wrote on Mon, 17 September 2007 18:49

Has anybody mentioned the Challenger Cruiser or the Comet tanks?



the comet is a nice tank but didnt but didnt see action in the desert

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Mon, 17 September 2007 23:13
Good discussion... Just wanted to chime in with my two cents. I just checked out this forum and was glad to see this topic is already being addressed. (And has been for a while.) To me this is absolutely Job #1 for DOW. It's just not right using G.I.s for Brit-based scenarios. I would even be happy with an expansion that only had figures!
DOW please get on this ASAP!
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 04 October 2007 13:31
I'd pick up a British expansion pack for the following:

- France 1940
- Norway 1940
- Seelowe 1940 (planned German invasion of England)
- The Desert 1940-42
- Commando Raids 1941-44
- South East Asia/Burma (1941-44)
- and of course Papua New Guinea 1942-43.

I'd love to see 25 Pounders and Crusader Tanks Very Happy
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 04 October 2007 23:07
Nordiskanc wrote on Fri, 07 September 2007 19:27

I think the addition of Italians would make it nice for when the experienced player (Italians) play a relative newbie (Brit/US). Kind of makes it interesting. Course that is assuming that the Italians have a weaker fighting ability or something since that is how they are usually portraited in games.


Already have my Italians (purchased from a dollar store). Although they are not really Italian Inf, they do pass quite well. I use the Japanese armor for the Italian tanks, which works if one is not too picky.
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 04 October 2007 23:22
Captain Kremmen wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 17:59

The Russians joined in late (though made the largest contribution of any allied nation in the war)

The US turned up very late

Andy


The Russians really did not join. Shall we say they were attacked by a nation which they had previously had very close dealings with.

The US did make an impact before they "joined" the war(of course this was prompted by Pearl Harbor). I do not know if "very late" works here.

Let me see - Brits active in 1940 (not including the "phony war" period or late '39 here).

US in from early Dec 1941 but it took a while for them to get up and running.

So the Brits had a bit of a head start.

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Sun, 07 October 2007 22:36
Whilst i still tend to think that the US turned up rather "late". I personally think that the speed with which the US in particular recovered from their losses in the pacific was extraordinary.

Within 6 months of pearl harbour the battle of coral sea and midway had been fought and guadalcanal was just getting going. A remarkable achievment. (Just in case you suspected i was trying to be "anti US") The facts are the US did not join in until somewhat later than everyone else and did not want to join in then. If pearl harbour had not happened i doubt the US would have entered the war, in which case i am doubtful we could have won, so thanks to Japan for causing your side to lose the war!

OK I admit that is a slight simplification Embarassed

Andy
PS I would be happy with Crusader, Churchill or Matilda as the Brit tank. Got to be a 25pdr though hasn't it

      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Sun, 07 October 2007 23:13
Matilda 2 queen of the desert and it has to be desert uniform of the 8th army for the infantry and the 25 pdr gun
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Mon, 08 October 2007 19:39
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Mon, 08 October 2007 23:12
Captain Kremmen wrote on Sun, 07 October 2007 16:36


(Just in case you suspected i was trying to be "anti US") The facts are the US did not join in until somewhat later than everyone else and did not want to join in then. If pearl harbour had not happened i doubt the US would have entered the war, in which case i am doubtful we could have won, so thanks to Japan for causing your side to lose the war! -- Andy


No worries about the "anti- US" part. I did not think that. But as an American I think that a lot of us in the US tend to be too sensitive about some of the criticisms directed at us. We do have a number of national issues.

As to the US entering the war, do not forget that the US had gone in the Isolationism direction (leave Europe [and it's wars] to the Europeans). This was a direct result of the slaughter of WW I. Even though the US only suffered a small portion of that horror, it was etched in their minds. Their were those (both in the US Gov and private sector) who wished to pitch in, but probably only a direct attack (at that time) would prompt the US to enter.

Who knows what would have happened later?
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Tue, 09 October 2007 00:23
tank commander wrote on Mon, 08 October 2007 22:12

Captain Kremmen wrote on Sun, 07 October 2007 16:36


(Just in case you suspected i was trying to be "anti US") The facts are the US did not join in until somewhat later than everyone else and did not want to join in then. If pearl harbour had not happened i doubt the US would have entered the war, in which case i am doubtful we could have won, so thanks to Japan for causing your side to lose the war! -- Andy


No worries about the "anti- US" part. I did not think that. But as an American I think that a lot of us in the US tend to be too sensitive about some of the criticisms directed at us. We do have a number of national issues.

As to the US entering the war, do not forget that the US had gone in the Isolationism direction (leave Europe [and it's wars] to the Europeans). This was a direct result of the slaughter of WW I. Even though the US only suffered a small portion of that horror, it was etched in their minds. Their were those (both in the US Gov and private sector) who wished to pitch in, but probably only a direct attack (at that time) would prompt the US to enter.

Who knows what would have happened later?



Interestingly the good old british empire used to have the same view. We ruled the seas and much of the foreign lands and left the europeans to fight amongst themselves.

I personally suspect we made a major mistake joining in WW1. If we had stayed out it would probably have been a minor French defeat, no big deal no worse than the 1870's war which we stayed out of. WW1 bankrupt the UK, although we did not do all the fighting we did finance the entire war.

I have met many Americans some with quite interestingly distorted views on a number of historical things, and some very knowledgable ones very indignant at how much US history is distorted (I think the later are in the minority). Everyone is entitled to their own views and prejudices, whatever makes people happy.

I always find it funny how many people think the US civil war was fought over slavery, hardly anyone remembers that Lincoln did not free the Yankee slaves (in 1863?), he only freed confederate slaves. (very generous of him i thought!)

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Tue, 09 October 2007 00:35
I always find it funny how many people think the US civil war was fought over slavery, hardly anyone remembers that Lincoln did not free the Yankee slaves (in 1863?), he only freed confederate slaves. (very generous of him i thought!)

He also stated that if any one of the three actions ( not sure of the direct quote but in essence : free all the slaves, free none of the slave or leave slavery intact in the south) would save the union he would take that action. Or that he wished that the freed slaves be returned to their native Africa (at least at one time).

Also, a lot of people forgot about the other major players in the American slave trade, like the Africans themselves. All factors involved in that slave trade should be held in equal disdain.

They should not also forget the history of slavery overall, nor the fact that it still exists (in one form or another) to a great degree in our world.

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Tue, 09 October 2007 02:51
now theres an intresting idea the UK staying out of the WW1 if germany had beat france there would have been no distuction of the german economy no fertile brading ground for hitler and the nazis no need for tanks no need no nukes no israel we in UK may still have an empire not to say that we still wold not have had some other war but germanys role may have been very diffrant what if we had WW1 as normal but we had lisened to presedent willson and not been so vengeful against germany Question

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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Tue, 09 October 2007 05:58
Somebody call Harry Turtledove... we have another "What if" book for him to write... Laughing


Arms race pushes tech base. If the Brits had stayed out of WW1 and thus the US had stayed out... Wow... wonder what Tech level we would be at now??? would we have the internet???

The Russian revolution would have still happened. So what if in 1942 the Russians had started flexxing their military might???

We might not of had Hitler, but Stalin was still well on his way???

Be kinda strange for Germany coming to Polands aid...

but then Poland would not have been that big... wow thats a big what if...
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 11 October 2007 11:55
Just to bring us back on topic, my vote's for Churchills Very Happy
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 11 October 2007 12:18
Rolling Eyes at this point id be happy with chariots Laughing
      
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Re:Another plea for the British as expansion 6 Thu, 11 October 2007 15:44
How about a Rolls Royce armored car? Smile
      
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