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Zuxius
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  No More Promotional Monsters please! Mon, 14 July 2008 10:09
Here is a link jpeg of a Hill Ginat Miniature I was bidding on at eBay.

http://webpages.charter.net/jthompson601/hgb.jpg

I really would have liked to have this monster in my battlelore game, but......

This needs to retail after some period of two years or something. It is wrong to let the market forces takeover. Just my opinion.

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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Mon, 14 July 2008 15:40
I wonder if these monsters will be generally available again?

In the meantime, there's a D&D 4th edition promotional Hill Giant that looks just as cool, comes painted, and that will probably be available at a reasonable price for some time to come if you can't find a free one.

I got 3 for free from a game shop in Manchester (the one near Picadilly, can never remember its name). Maybe I'll sell a couple for silly money on ebay Smile
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Mon, 14 July 2008 21:14
As Yantze stated above (as well as others, if you look at various other threads on the subject), you can buy an "equivalent" looking figure for the appropriate monster. And in one of the many threads about the promo monsters, you can probably find one of many links in getting the specs/abilities of the respective monster (Or look in the Monster Comprehendium - but the copy of the cards there won't do justice to the other links).

In regards to promos in general, I think you probably would be in the minority of wanting more monsters. They add uniqueness to the battles as well as their abilities. Plus who wouldn't want a red pennant monster ? (which we don't currently have at the moment).

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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Tue, 15 July 2008 00:09
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Tue, 15 July 2008 21:32
Thanks Roobarb for the links. Been on vacation the past 3 or so weeks and couldn't remember your name! Smile

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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Wed, 16 July 2008 01:48
no probs Cool
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Wed, 16 July 2008 18:19
holy crapatoly... I should sell mine. I thought I got ripped off at 25$ for it last year. 100$???? That's crazy money!
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Wed, 16 July 2008 22:40
Hmm... yah... can you give a link to the actual Ebay page?

I did a search on Completed listings for Hill Giants and only one appeared that had sold for $30 - which is pretty average.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/BattleLore-HILL-GIANT-Promotional-Miniatu re-SEALED_W0QQitemZ190236699020QQihZ009QQcategoryZ2537QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If it did sell for $100+ I think that's an example of one auction where two determined people got into a bidding war - I don't think it reflects the average price the mini is going for.

I don't really agree that DoW should make them available to everyone - it was a one-time special figure to help promote the game. Keeping it rare keeps it special to those who picked up the game early - or made an extra effort to acquire the figs. How would you feel if you spent a lot of time and money to track down a Hill Giant - only to have it released in stores for half of what you paid for it?

I think it's MORE than acceptable that DoW has posted the rules for the mini on their site - and allowed others to share the card images.

Having said all that though, I also think that making any MORE promo minis is probably not necessary - and I don't think that has ever been the plan. Any other monsters we se will be in a normal expansion pack.

~ CEG

Zuxius wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 04:09

Here is a link jpeg of a Hill Ginat Miniature I was bidding on at eBay.

http://webpages.charter.net/jthompson601/hgb.jpg

I really would have liked to have this monster in my battlelore game, but......

This needs to retail after some period of two years or something. It is wrong to let the market forces takeover. Just my opinion.

Zuxius

      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Fri, 18 July 2008 17:48
I dunno. I rather like exclusive figures. It creates hype, adds a bit of a collective element and rewards those who pony up the cash for expansions etc by having a nifty fairly unique figure. I understand that it's not exactly fair to those that are new to the game, but nothing is stopping anyone from ebaying up a figure to round out their collection either. Should they HAVE to pay X amount of $ for figure B? I'm not good at math, so I really can't say.
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Sat, 19 July 2008 01:32
I for one understand your concern since I discovered the game roughly a year after it came out and I got the Hill Giant figure just in time. I would have been pissed if hadn't; I must admit I'm a bit of a completist. I just hope they don't come out with blister packs with figures that are rare or extremely rare à-la-Magic-the-Gathering. Best of luck finding your own hill giant. If it's any help, I bought my hill giant as a package on ebay along with the core set, cta, and Earth Elemental, and I believe the whole package was cheaper than what they're asking just for the hill giant. 102$ dollars?! That's just sad.
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Tue, 22 July 2008 15:31
Chaotic_easy_going wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 15:40


I don't really agree that DoW should make them available to everyone - it was a one-time special figure to help promote the game. Keeping it rare keeps it special to those who picked up the game early - or made an extra effort to acquire the figs. How would you feel if you spent a lot of time and money to track down a Hill Giant - only to have it released in stores for half of what you paid for it?
~ CEG




That would be fine if it was a collectible game, but it's not. It's a board game. I expect this kind of crap from WotC or GW, but not from a company that produces board games.
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Tue, 22 July 2008 19:32
Kosh One wrote on Tue, 22 July 2008 09:31

Chaotic_easy_going wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 15:40


I don't really agree that DoW should make them available to everyone - it was a one-time special figure to help promote the game. Keeping it rare keeps it special to those who picked up the game early - or made an extra effort to acquire the figs. How would you feel if you spent a lot of time and money to track down a Hill Giant - only to have it released in stores for half of what you paid for it?
~ CEG




That would be fine if it was a collectible game, but it's not. It's a board game. I expect this kind of crap from WotC or GW, but not from a company that produces board games.

As a new player myself, I have to agree; in fact, this almost turned me off of the game, because I strongly dislike the idea that a piece is only available to people who happen to be in the right place at the right time.

Tournament rewards would be one thing, as you have to "earn" them. But to get an exclusive figure just because you happened to go to GenCon, or preorder at a certain time, or whatever, just to me is a way for a company to arbitrarily reward certain players while smacking the rest in the face.
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Wed, 23 July 2008 13:20
Quote:

That would be fine if it was a collectible game, but it's not. It's a board game.


I agree fully. as a 'board gamer', the idea of a Battle Lore collectible is foreign and not pleasant.
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Wed, 23 July 2008 15:32
I think the main problem isn't that the Hill Giant and Earth Elemental are hard to find collectibles, it's that 2/3rds of the creatures out there are hard to find collectibles. If we had more of a selection of creatures available it wouldn't be as much of an issue. If you want a dwarf or goblin unit for your army beyond what's in the base box, there are expansions that provide a lot of different option. However, unless you pony up the cost of a large expansion on eBay, your only option for a creature is the spider in the base set. At least give us the troll--we saw the first picture of a completed fig what, 6 months ago? Longer? Even that being available will improve the HG/EE situation.
The more creatures available, the less demand there will be for the HG/EE, except amongst completionists who don't care what the price is. Otherwise, with several valid options for creatures that are readily available, people will be less interested in these two.
      
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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Wed, 23 July 2008 23:49
I think when DoW gets the issues regarding BL completed/fixed, I would not be surprised if DoW released a monster maybe 1 / year. Sure it would be nice if there was some confirmation to this, but I doubt we'll ever get that - but one would think that one monster / year wouldn't be hard to do (of course I'm no gaming/marketing person so I have no idea the costs involved in creating 1 monster / year vs maybe doing multiples, etc).

As stated above (and in other threads), if one needs the monster, one can easily download/print the cards for the respective monster and use a "substitute" monster figure for the BL monster in question for the time being.

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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Fri, 25 July 2008 05:44
sigmazero13 wrote on Tue, 22 July 2008 13:32

Kosh One wrote on Tue, 22 July 2008 09:31


That would be fine if it was a collectible game, but it's not. It's a board game. I expect this kind of crap from WotC or GW, but not from a company that produces board games.


As a new player myself, I have to agree; in fact, this almost turned me off of the game, because I strongly dislike the idea that a piece is only available to people who happen to be in the right place at the right time.

Tournament rewards would be one thing, as you have to "earn" them. But to get an exclusive figure just because you happened to go to GenCon, or preorder at a certain time, or whatever, just to me is a way for a company to arbitrarily reward certain players while smacking the rest in the face.


Rolling Eyes
Guys it's 2 (TWO) figures - one of which was available free (+ like $5 shipping) to anyone and everyone who bought the game in the first - like year and half. If you think two figures not being always and forever availaible is a reason not to play this game then I feel sad for you.

And if you think giving 2 special figs away for free - then making the rules available for everyone online for free and encouraging people to play with proxies is a "smack in the face" - then you have never stepped foot in a Games Workshop store or ever played a real collectible game.

Days of Wonder didn't make any proffit of those figs and they certainly don't make any profit off the ones that sell on ebay. Games Workshop and CCGs are all about making a ton of cash by convincing you to buy lots of extra models/packs that you don't need - then changing the rules or rotating out sets to make you buy everything over again. Oh and no one gets free rules - and no proxies are allowed EVER.

Sorry if I sound especially snarky, but this whining about the promo figs really irks me. I got into this game late too and I said - yeah - I want the hill giant. So I went and bought it for $40 on ebay. Now it's going b/w $20-30 on average. That $100 auction is a complete fluke - just look at the completed listings. So either you want the figure and you're willing to spend money on it and go and buy it - or you want the figure and you don't want to spend that much money on it and you use any kind of proxie, old figure, or cheap replacement you want - like this guy:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/D-D-War-Drums-Miniatures-HILL-GIANT-BARBA RIAN-U_W0QQitemZ310068079964QQihZ021QQcategoryZ158713QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There are about 10 auctions for him - all around $3.00 buy-it-now. Or you can probably buy the same or similar figure from local games shops - or online retailers like Paizo publishing - that sell single D&D miniatures.

**EDIT** By the way I want to state - just in case it's not clear - that I'm not in favour of DoW making MORE promo minis. I'm certain it was a very special promotion just to inject some monsterous figs into the game because they knew they wouldn't get any more made for some time. I can't see them ever doing it again - and certainly not on a regular basis. But I have no problem with the two they did release.

Also, once the heroes/monsters pack comes out and there are a lot of monsters to choose from with crazy powers - the EE and HG won't seem like the be-all-end-all missing holy grails either...

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Re:No More Promotional Monsters please! Fri, 25 July 2008 09:15
I really can not se anything wrong with promotional figures like this.


If you are willing to take the risk and buy a game early on, you are rewarded with promos.

If that is what it takes to generate buzz and give people the final push to buy the game early in its release, how could it be wrong?


Also, with the way Battlelore has lost steam it would probably be a good idea to have some really cool promo figures out to boost interest in the next wave of releases.
      
    
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