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Senseless
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A question about the barbarians
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Thu, 14 October 2010 19:07
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Can I conquer a region using more barbarian tokens than strictly necessary? Ie, use 3 tokens to conquer an empty region so they have better defense.
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eric
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Thu, 14 October 2010 21:17
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No, you cannot.
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reverendvader
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Sun, 17 October 2010 05:47
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But remember that at the end of your turn you can redeploy all your troops and beef up your defenses where ever you want to.
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rasmussen81
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reverendvader
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Wed, 20 October 2010 19:35
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Oops. You are correct!
I assumed (incorrectly) that the original question was regarding a power we already have access to...
My bad. 
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rasmussen81
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Thu, 21 October 2010 05:10
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| reverendvader wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 10:35 |
Oops. You are correct!
I assumed (incorrectly) that the original question was regarding a power we already have access to...
My bad.
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No worries! 
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Booly
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DannyMack
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Fri, 04 February 2011 00:09
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Not to get in Eric's way here, but I think I have the answer to this...but I also have a question of my own.
Normally races can pick up the extra tokens at the end of their own turn, to be shifted around within regions they already own (from previous/current conquests) for the purpose of defense. This is called "Redeployment." It occurs at the same time as placing/moving any defensive tiles (such as the Heroes or the Encampments, etc.) and just before scoring.
So, application...The Barbarians may conquer, but may NEVER shift their extra RTs for defense. They may move defensive tiles if they have them, but not their RTs. (Exception: the Barbarian Leader token may be ransomed and used at any time during the game, so if you still have your leader held hostage by another player, this would be a good time to ransom him/her.)
On their next turn the Barbarians may gather (or "muster" as we call it) ANY of their RTs for use in conquering on that turn. When any race removes all their RTs from any region at the beginning of their turn this is called "Abandoning."
So, Barbarians must make optimal use of (1) defensive tiles, (2) mustering, and (3) abandoning to achieve a defensible position by the end of their turn. Unfortunately this doesn't always leave Barbarians a lot of RTs to conquer with at the beginning of their turn, because they may leave some regions "as is" (not mustering any RTs from certain regions during the conquering phase of their turn) thereby diminishing the Barbarians' offensive ability after their 1st turn.
As to why you would want to play them? Well, IMO, they're a nice challenge if you are a journeyman Smallworld player. Also (as with all other races) with the right special power combo, and some good planning ahead you can really do well with them--they do post quite a few RTs after all!
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All that said, I do have a question of my own. Maybe I'm just reading into the rules here, but is it right to say that Barbarians cannot redeploy their troops at the end of anyone's turn? Or just their own? I'm thinking of those scenarios when a Barbarian region with 2+ RTs is conquered on another player's turn--do the extra RTs come back to the board at the end of the turn along with everyone else's? Or does the Barbarian player have to keep them "in-hand" until the start of his own turn?
My reading of the rules sheet says "each turn" so I interpreted that as "anyone's turn."
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Booly
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Fri, 04 February 2011 02:00
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Wow I appreciate that answer...Course now I feel stupid since I NEVER played the game that way and feel dumb for not knowing that before the score you could shift your tiles. I always thought redeployment meant picking up all your extra tiles at the beginning of the next turn and conquering new lands before scoring on the next turn.
I had no clue you could conquer then collect and evenly put out the tiles to defend....Even though I look stupid...I'm glad I posted cause now I can't wait for the next game night!!!
Thank You sir
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DannyMack
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panamafever
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Thu, 17 February 2011 08:35
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| DannyMack wrote on Thu, 03 February 2011 18:09 |
Unfortunately this doesn't always leave Barbarians a lot of RTs to conquer with at the beginning of their turn, because they may leave some regions "as is" (not mustering any RTs from certain regions during the conquering phase of their turn) thereby diminishing the Barbarians' offensive ability after their 1st turn.
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I'm not sure I understand. Barbarians can perform the typical muster of taking into hand all but one token from each region at the beginning of their turn--so how is offensive capability after the first turn diminished by the barbarian limitation? Unless you're referring to Marauding Barbarians....?
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DannyMack
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eric
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Wed, 23 February 2011 07:39
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Each turn means "each of your turns". The barbarians' limitation on redeployment does not apply to troops redeploying as a result of their regions being conquered by another player during that player's turn.
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DannyMack
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Re:A question about the barbarians
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Wed, 23 February 2011 17:42
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This will change the way many of us have been playing the Barbarians, but I can get over it. I'm just glad to know for sure what to do.
Thanks again, Eric.
This same question has been getting a lot of debate over on the Geek, so I have just posted a link over there to your answer here. Hopefully that will help everybody out.
So the Barbarians are more powerful than I thought...Danny likes!
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Check the new rules for Barbarians, because a normal race could do this but the Barbarians are stuck the way they end the turn.
