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parrotperson
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"no block" CHEATERS Wed, 12 September 2012 12:50
Handles of users who intentionally block during "no block" games:


-A&k-
ALJ89460
AMIEJO
AxeManz
awoll
bantrybay501
BBlacklow
BobNZ
bogasd
CWL665
Denam
ERieschl
Freon79
galipette (speaks French so possibly didn't understand?)
gonzomacmurphy
jojo9712
lelecobra1
max_zorn
mindinferno
mkrell1
MLS1
PabloCruise
PepperB52
SandJo2001
SirHirzu
Siss63
Slim Dhaouadi
Sorinzen
Spieler669947
Spieler47150
spyke511
Sweety-7
tboz
tee_yoo
TheRaglay
Tim Shannon
Toubabmaster
trodat
vicliu977
willfred
Wings3
zawisza potter
ZeStef

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Re:"no block" CHEATERS Wed, 12 September 2012 16:53
You do realize that sometimes your destinations and their destinations might be along the same path and they might actually need those tracks...right? Smile

Also, did you know that you can add these players to your Ignore list and then you won't have to play against them? Cool
      
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Re:"no block" CHEATERS Fri, 14 September 2012 10:59
"No block" and "fair" games are common on TTR and everyone understands that this means no intentional blocking. And of course I have added all these user to my ignore list. The point of this post is 1. to warn others who like to play no block games and 2. To "out" players who cheat, as there is currently no consequence to them if they do. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:"no block" CHEATERS Fri, 14 September 2012 11:17
parrotperson wrote on Fri, 14 September 2012 12:59

"No block" and "fair" games are common on TTR and everyone understands that this means no intentional blocking. And of course I have added all these user to my ignore list. The point of this post is 1. to warn others who like to play no block games and 2. To "out" players who cheat, as there is currently no consequence to them if they do. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


This gets tricky...because technically they aren't cheating. Blocking is part of the game, even if some of us don't like it much (myself included).

The Ticket to Ride community doesn't seem to mind 'outing' people, but it seems like a divisive road to travel and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But maybe that's just me. Confused
      
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Re:"no block" CHEATERS Fri, 14 September 2012 11:36
I'm a firm believer in blocking as a part of what makes TTR a great game. And i might add, that the designer, Alan Moon, explicitly meant blocking to be part of it!

That being said I wouldn't dream of entering a game that was labelled "no blocking" because without blocking the game isn't as much fun and to enter such a game with the intention of blocking anyway to my mind is just intentionally setting out to ruin some fellow-player's game.
Basically someone who opens a game under such a label is announcing that blocking is not permitted and if you then do it anyway that's just mean and really small.
I don't think someone who does that has any grounds to object to being put on a blacklist!

However, labels like "fair" I do object to, if they actually mean "no blocking" because that would imply that blocking isn't fair, which is obviously rubbish. In fact, calling blocking unfair is unfair in itself Cool
      
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The Art Of Blocking Fri, 14 September 2012 20:34
I totally second what Mr Bean says here. I couldn't have said it better myself. Well, I could. But that would only result in a lot of smack talk and insults and people wondering about my age. So you may thank Mr Bean for his response. It softened me up.

I recently saw another thread about "no block cheaters" (perhaps also by ParrotPerson?) that made me want to write a response, but due to a lack of time I didn't at that time.

Let's say your opponent has Seattle-New York (+22) and Vancouver-Montréal (+20). That's 42 points in the pocket if he's able to connect those. So what do you do? Helplessly sit by and watch him go for a certain win while you struggle with Denver-El Paso (+4) and Kansas City-Houston (+5)? Sure, you could draw more tickets. But in my personal opinion you don't do this wonderful game justice. It's boring and predictable too.

Ticket to Ride is a strategy game. The freedictionary.com says the following about the word 'strategy': The science and art of using all the forces of a nation to execute approved plans as effectively as possible during peace or war and The art or skill of using stratagems in endeavors such as politics and business. About the word 'stratagem' it simply says the following: A clever, often underhanded scheme for achieving an objective. And having said that, the official rules of this game do NOT prohibit blocking tactics (and that's because it's a strategy game).

Blockers are artist in my book; people who think ahead. Once people embrace that strategy this game will prove to turn out much, much more interesting and challenging.

I cringe when I see people giving their games the title "FAIR GAME". However, I do agree that if someone specifically states it's a "non-blocking" game, blockers should stay away from those. If that is the way you want to play, I respect it. But please don't call someone who uses blocking as a strategy a cheater.

Sorry for the underlining and coloring. Not meant to be disparaging. Just trying to clearly get my point across.

See? I can be civil if I want to. Smile

*Pats himself on the back*

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Re:The Art Of Blocking Mon, 17 September 2012 12:28
Look folks. This is not a debate about whether blocking is wonderful thing, intended by the game creator, etc. You are missing the point ENTIRELY by even discussing that. You can adore blocking all you want to. But to enter a VERY clearly marked "NO BLOCK" game, without comment, and then block is the move of a very VERY inconsiderate and rude person. There are plenty of games where you can block. Allow people who like to play NO BLOCK games to play the kind of games they want to play and that they have clearly stated they want to play.

And YES, someone who enters a no block game and then blocks absolutely IS a cheater, by definition. A cheater is defined as "A person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage." That perfectly describes the people who do this. They act dishonestly (because they KNOW the game is expected to be no block, but block anyway) and they gain an advantage by doing so (because the other person is not playing with block strategy in mind).

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Re:"no block" CHEATERS Mon, 17 September 2012 12:37
Quote:


The Ticket to Ride community doesn't seem to mind 'outing' people, but it seems like a divisive road to travel and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But maybe that's just me. Confused


You know what's divisive? Joining a no block game, playing fairly, and then at the very end egregiously blocking (for example laying track that doesn't connect to the rest of your track nor complete a ticket, for the sole purpose of blocking your opponent). That is divisive. Do you think I have any interest after experiencing that in considering such users part of my community? No, they are already divided from me by being such jerks and wasting my time. There is currently no consequence for people who do this; they get away with it, get a higher score by cheating, and this is the ONLY small way I have to attempt to make them accountable.
      
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Re:The Art Of Blocking Mon, 17 September 2012 12:44
Gee Peter, I guess I like playing with people who aren't "underhanded". I like a nice relaxing game at the end of my very draining day, not to interact with people who are underhanded and devious. Laughing
      
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Re:The Art Of Blocking Tue, 02 October 2012 14:09
Hi,

parrotperson schrieb am Mon, 17 September 2012 12:28

Look folks. This is not a debate about whether blocking is wonderful thing, intended by the game creator, etc. You are missing the point ENTIRELY by even discussing that.


you might be right up to this point.

But here you say:
parrotperson schrieb am Mon, 14 September 2012

"No block" and "fair" games are common on TTR and everyone understands that this means no intentional blocking.


And here you miss the point ENTIRELY by even stating that a "fair" game means no intentional blocking.

And while I agree that blocking intentionally in a "no block" boring game is not correct I think you smoked the wrong stuff before posting.

But then again I am evil

Regards

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Re:The Art Of Blocking Wed, 03 October 2012 05:58
I'd like to add DumbBot03 and DumbBot05 to the list. Computer players often make the most irritating moves.
      
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Re:The Art Of Blocking Sun, 25 November 2012 19:29
I don't block but accept that it is a valid strategy. What vexes me is that I often don't recognize my opponent is using it until too late... Any suggestions?
      
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Re:The Art Of Blocking Mon, 26 November 2012 04:25
grblue wrote on Sun, 25 November 2012 22:29

I don't block but accept that it is a valid strategy. What vexes me is that I often don't recognize my opponent is using it until too late... Any suggestions?


My only suggestion would be to always assume your opponent is going to block...so you try to never give away your plans by placing trains on two sides but leaving a middle spot open.

Even someone who doesn't usually block is going to be tempted to block an obviouse spot! Very Happy It takes a lot of practice to get good at preventing blockers from messing you up (and I'm not very good at it) but it can make for interesting games! Cool
      
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Re:The Art Of Blocking Tue, 11 December 2012 08:56
This might be the wrong place to put this, but I need to vent my frustration. "No Block" and "Fair Game"'s aside, I agree there is a time and place for blocking during the course of a normal game. It also happens when you are vying for a similar route. Regardless of the fact it WASNT labeled a "No Block" game...I recently played with someone who sucked the joy out of playing. This person spent the entire game blocking and hemming me in, making NO attempt to build routes. I'd be very surprised if she even touched a route! Truthfully, it was the least enjoyable game I've played on here to date. As much as I love this game, that's saying something! The game is Ticket to Ride, NOT Cat and Mouse. -end rant-
      
    
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