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For the last few days, I have noticed that a Major Wojas
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/career/?id=11 72189
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Bastogne Corridor West
If I try to play him, he cannot respond and he cannot escape.
Much to my delight, I found out this morning that he is actually playing other scenarios, however, his ghost remains in Bastogne to haunt any who will attempt to play. I think this is definitely a bug.
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Fri, 25 January 2013 13:23
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Major Wojas back in Bastogne this morning.  
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Fri, 25 January 2013 15:27
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He's still there! 
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Fri, 25 January 2013 16:57
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The continuing existence of phantom scenarios (Pegasus Bridge, Carentan and Bastogne Corridor West) and, as it seems, even of phantom players (Major Wojas) is in no way creditable to DoW. The tackling of this issue is not a question of update, not even a question of bugfix, it should be a matter of maintenance.
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Fri, 25 January 2013 17:37
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While I understand that everyone wants the game to be updated and improved, and this is seen as lack of progress, I have to ask the following question:
Do phantom games and players affect your battles or your ability to play Online? Is the Online version still fun?
In an ideal world, DoW would focus on the Memoir '44 Online version and we would see countless and eternal updates and improvements. The would send us free Gold Ingots, and the dice would always roll our way. And of course we would all be ranked #1 in the world! 
But sadly reality isn't quite that perfect. The dice are truly random (including those pesky bad streaks), we don't get free GIs, only one of us can be ranked first, and DoW doesn't update the game as often as we would like. But we have a working, fun, online version of Memoir '44 that feels like we're playing the real thing. We have great new scenarios to play through, and lots of wonderful opponents.
I don't think DoW will abandon the Memoir '44 Online game but they may never have the manpower to update it as often as we would like. But that doesn't mean they won't keep improving it!
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Fri, 25 January 2013 18:07
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| rasmussen81 wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 11:37 |
While I understand that everyone wants the game to be updated and improved, and this is seen as lack of progress, I have to ask the following question:
Do phantom games and players affect your battles or your ability to play Online? Is the Online version still fun?
In an ideal world, DoW would focus on the Memoir '44 Online version and we would see countless and eternal updates and improvements. The would send us free Gold Ingots, and the dice would always roll our way. And of course we would all be ranked #1 in the world!
But sadly reality isn't quite that perfect. The dice are truly random (including those pesky bad streaks), we don't get free GIs, only one of us can be ranked first, and DoW doesn't update the game as often as we would like. But we have a working, fun, online version of Memoir '44 that feels like we're playing the real thing. We have great new scenarios to play through, and lots of wonderful opponents.
I don't think DoW will abandon the Memoir '44 Online game but they may never have the manpower to update it as often as we would like. But that doesn't mean they won't keep improving it!
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  Couldn't agree more. Well said, Jesse.
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Fri, 25 January 2013 18:20
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| stevens wrote on Wed, 23 January 2013 14:16 |
For the last few days, I have noticed that a Major Wojas
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/career/?id=11 72189
appears to be stuck in the scenario
Bastogne Corridor West
If I try to play him, he cannot respond and he cannot escape.
Much to my delight, I found out this morning that he is actually playing other scenarios, however, his ghost remains in Bastogne to haunt any who will attempt to play. I think this is definitely a bug.
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Woohoohoohoo Camouflage,
things are never quite the way they seem.
Woohoohoohoo Camouflage,
This was an awfully strange marine.
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Fri, 25 January 2013 21:38
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Previously DoW have simply taken the game offline and rebooted the server to cure phantoms.
It didn't take a bugffix/update release to fix the issue.
Why can't or won't DoW simply reboot the server?
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gheintze
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Fri, 25 January 2013 22:01
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Who cares? It doesn't affect anyone playing the game -- so why complain about it.
I maintain that complaining on the forums about DoW's alleged lack of support will not serve any useful purpose other than to keep new fans from getting excited about the game -- which will hurt all of us in the long run. When DoW succesfully completes the Small World Kickstarter Compaign and initiates the M'44 Kickstarter campaign, instead of being happy, you all will complain that you have to pay for the things that you want....
Seriously, let it go and just enjoy the game...or get out your boardgame and play with friends.
Geoff
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Fri, 25 January 2013 22:08
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It makes no difference.
Stop moaning about it.
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Fri, 25 January 2013 22:34
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Come on guys, don't flame us for expressing our disappointment.
I am on the record - many times - saying what a great game system M44 and M44 online are, and saying what a great company DoW is.
But, DoW is letting us and themselves down. The continued presence of ghost/phantom battles and players speaks of neglect and lack of maintenance.
Previously phantom battles have been fixed by rebooting the server(s). In the 26 months I have been playing M44 online (>5000 battles) I cannot remember such a lengthy period that phantom battles have been allowed to exist.
DoW have, explicitly or implicitly, allowed their previously high standards to slip a little.
They can and should and hopefully will fix this.
When they do I will acknowledge it and thank them.
Phantom games and players do detract from the system.
New players may be confused about what is happening.
If you want to play Pegasus Bridge you can't just press play and wait for someone to join you - because no-one will realise that you are waiting there.
DoW staff do read the forums. I know (and have evidence) that they do. All I ask is that they reboot the server(s) soon.
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Fri, 25 January 2013 22:43
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| Phread wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 16:34 |
All I ask is that they reboot the server(s) soon.
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Then do so in a PM to DoW instead of starting fires on the forums...
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Fri, 25 January 2013 23:54
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Thanks Geoff, but I don't believe I was starting fires or even fuelling them.
I have simply responded to the posts in this and other threads.
In this thread - at least - I have been moderate and reasonable IMHO.
We should promote discussion - even if it may not be favourable to DoW - that is open honest and fair.
I give brickbats and bouquets where they are deserved.
I have given many bouquets to DoW, but in this instance it is the brickbat that is deserved.
When the problem is resolved I will acknowledge it with the appropriate bouquet.
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Sat, 26 January 2013 01:28
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Geoff wrote: «Who cares? It doesn't affect anyone playing the game -- so why complain about it.»
I care, so I complain. I don't complain because I dislike this gaming system; I complain exactly because I like it and I want to be good and successful. Plus, as Mark stated, who will join my Pegasus open game or my Carentan open game? What if tomorrow there are 40 «phantom» games in 40 different scenarios? Is it acceptable to have things neglected this way? I mean, I work on a free web platform and when we get complains about garbage, we remove it. Because that's what it is: garbage. (Here I go for a stupid comparison that trentdep would love  : if you leave garbage in your living room's floor after eating some snacks, you won't stop anyone from entering the room and watch tv or talk to you. But people will probably leave with a bad impression.
Anyway, just my opinion.
van Voort wrote: «It makes no difference. Stop moaning about it.»
I don't believe it makes no difference. Plus, that philosophy kept my country in a modern dark age for decades, during the XX century. We are still struggling to catch up.
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Sat, 26 January 2013 04:15
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You left out the second part of my post, which is clearly relevant: I maintain that complaining on the forums about DoW's alleged lack of support will not serve any useful purpose other than to keep new fans from getting excited about the game -- which will hurt all of us in the long run.
If you want to complain to DoW about it -- do so in a PM to one of the crew members. Posting it on the forums will do more harm than good, IMHO. We should all know by now that DoW is going to do things when they have time and money to do them, not in response to complaints. The last time someone launched a vociferous complaint about their handling of a game system, they sold it to another company and the game has died...
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Sat, 26 January 2013 04:56
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Very well, I will do what you suggest.
But I must say that I don't agree with that «inconvenient truth» line of thought, Geoff.
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Sat, 26 January 2013 05:08
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| gheintze wrote on Sat, 26 January 2013 07:15 |
-Snip- The last time someone launched a vociferous complaint about their handling of a game system, they sold it to another company and the game has died...
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Well, I don't think we're in danger of DoW selling Memoir '44 to Fantasy Flight the way they sold BattleLore...
DoW has a pretty tough skin and they can put up with a lot of complaining without getting upset about it (something that I believe marks a good company), but lets face facts here.
1) DoW is a company that must make money. They aren't a charity and based on their success, they know how to run this company to make money. Sometimes that means they don't focus on the aspects of the company we think they should.
2) Memoir '44 Online is a wonderful adaptation of my favorite board game. It's a fun system and works perfectly well in its current state. There are some bugs that could be fixed and apparently two phantom things that could be removed, but the game is still fun and still works.
3) Memoir '44 is not DoW's biggest seller; Ticket to Ride is. Even though we are vocal here on the forums, we might not be as big a community of players as we think we are. When DoW looks at the numbers, they might see that the Online game is breaking even (maybe even making a little money for them) but it's not the breakout hit we all would like it to be. Because of this, DoW can't just focus on their time, money, and energy on improving M'44 Online. They need to continue making money in other ways.
4) DoW is a company with integrity. They are not going to abandon M'44 Online and let it fall appart completely; but like I've said before, the game still works perfectly well despite the small bugs and these ghosts. They will improve M'44 Online when they have the time and money, but they might not be able to rush out and take care of phantom games that aren't ruining the game.
In the end, people can complain on the forums (or privately) and DoW will do the best they can, like they always do. But at this point, with a Kickstarter they are trying to re-work, they might not have time to get rid of the phantoms. It doesn't mean DoW doesn't care. It doesn't mean DoW is abandoning M'44 Online. It doesn't mean the sky is falling on our heads...it just means that DoW is a company that has a lot going on.
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Sat, 26 January 2013 05:24
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I agree that them selling M'44 is rather unlikely. I'm just trying to reinforce the point that the community can be torn down by complaing in online, public forums.
Considering that the online adaptation is truly incredible, I think these complaints are rather minor. It's not like Blokus or other games, which never need to be updated. Each implementation requires additional programming, resources, and money.
I think that they will clearly get back to it, but they do have other products demanding their attention as well. Now that Small World is receiving a long awaited update, I think that M'44 online should be next in the queue. And they continue to support the boardgame version, let's not forget that. Many games and game systems have come and gone (and many C&C system games, for that matter) since M'44 has been introduced. Let us not forget how lucky we are... and that it is clear that DoW knows what they are doing.
Geoff
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Sat, 26 January 2013 05:24
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I understand and agree mostly with what you've said, Jesse. Don't mean to disrespect you, but I still think it would be sensitive from DoW (even from a corporate point of view) to state those issues themselves.
(plus, the ghost games cannot be THAT time consuming to deal with and they represent an awful presentation card to the online game)
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OK so who is going to watch the Super Bowl??
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I'm waiting for the NFL to come out with an Overlord version.
(And, as a businessperson, I think Jesse's comments make a great deal of sense. I have confidence in DOW. In addition to that, we've got 17 new Official scenarios, and there's always more SFTF to explore.)
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Sat, 26 January 2013 07:13
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| Phread wrote on Fri, 25 January 2013 21:34 |
But, DoW is letting us and themselves down. The continued presence of ghost/phantom battles and players speaks of neglect and lack of maintenance.
Previously phantom battles have been fixed by rebooting the server(s).
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Or it speaks of a pragmatic desire to not fix a problem that is not a major one.
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I have given many bouquets to DoW, but in this instance it is the brickbat that is deserved.
When the problem is resolved I will acknowledge it with the appropriate bouquet.
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thank DoW for the new scenarios but I am also dissappointed.
It is 11 1/2 months since the last M44 upgrade and bug fix release.
And all we get is scenarios? Seriously? That's it 17 scenarios crreated and play tested by users?
Where is the new promotion and awards?
Does anyone else feel neglected?
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Come on DoW scenarios are nice but a proper release would be nicer
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I respect you as a member of the community but by god is your glass half empty all the time.
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Sat, 26 January 2013 08:20
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My glass isn't always half empty, nor is my patience infinite.
When a phantom scenario (and now more than one) is allowed tto persist then I will comment.
The 17 new scenarios weren't a DoW initiative. They supported Geoff's work but it a player's effort that got things underway.
I am underwhelmed that it has been over 12 months without even a bug fix release. I pay my money, probably more than most, and am honestly disappointed. If I was writing a report card on M44 Online DoW would get a "could do better" at present.
As I continue to state I have enormous respect for DoW - that is why I acknowledge their past efforts and contrast that against the current lack of effort.
It would be easier just to shut up and warch the neglect of this fine product, but I don't and won't.
I have bug reports going back 12 months that have not be acknowledged nor fixed. That is just so sad.
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Sat, 26 January 2013 10:11
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Did anyone notice that in the meantime DOW posted new illustrations on the M44 start page? 
Let us hope it's the start of a new offensive? ...-
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Sat, 26 January 2013 10:55
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No Sir I had not noticed.
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Sat, 26 January 2013 11:38
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Man, I wish I could draw like that!!!  It looks great!
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Sat, 26 January 2013 12:04
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I can understand both points of view.
In the beginning, memoir 44 online was evolving fast. Once that DoW got that online version of the game to a level of quality they find decent, they decided to stop letting it evolve to give priority to other projects. It is probably what they decided on from the start on.
This can be frustrating to some players, who like something new and fresh from time to time to keep being interested.
The fact that DoW is not communicating this as such, and not responding to this kind of threads, is probably a deliberate choice. Such announcements always get some customers angry.
Memoir online is now at a very acceptable level of quality. It can be great fun. Certain things that are possible in the board game are not possible in the online game, but these things are well documented. (a joke some people made in the past: what does microsoft do when a user reports a bug? They document it and sell it as a new feature.) New feature in Memoir online: you can now add swamps in your sftf scenarios just for aestetic reasons, without them affecting the game!
People can know exactly what is possible in the online version of the game, so you know what you spend money on when you buy GI. You have the choice to do so or not. If you already bought the GI, you can keep them in your account, they'll stay valid, until some new updates of the game are available.
On the other hand, saying that these ghost do not affect playing, is wrong.
Some people will refrain from going in one of those scenarios to wait for an opponent, because few people go look.
Other people go look in them regularily, to find them empty.
Some people won't go look for an opponent in them.
With the bastogne one, it's even worse. You cannot go in the scenario to wait for an opponent, because you always get paired to the unresponsive major wojas.
On top of that, there is the fact that impressions are everything. It doesn't really matter if a company delivers quality or not. As long as the customers have the impression they get quality, it's enough. In this case, some customers feel neglected. It doesn't matter if that is actually the case or not - and we can debate it endlessly - as long as some customers have that impression, it is not good.
So I understand DoW, and the people defending them, and I understand the people complaining about this.
There you go: my point of view.
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Sat, 26 January 2013 13:14
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That's a perfectly fair and balanced overview Quit .... well put...
I'm reaching the end of my GI supply, and to be honest apart from finishing the currant Eastern Front tourney, I'm not in a rush to splash out more money on a product which is being neglected. If DoW think that losing customers is acceptable then I think that is a sad sign of where they have reached ... if it's true for me, then it may well be true for others .. i hope not ... but if they are not careful DoW may find their support for the Online product starting to wane, even from us regular customers.
I love the online game, I love the boardgame, i love the competitors online, but at the end of the day I don't part with my cash because of any sense of loyalty to DoW, I pay up because as a customer I think I'm getting a good service for my hard earned money.
I sincerely hope it won't be long before there are some promising updates brought to us, and then I will be more than happy to pay for a big supply of GI's. Even fixing the ghost scenarios/players would probably convince me.
Like Quit I can see the argument from both sides, and tbh if I had a huge supply of GI's left I wouldn't probably be so concerned, but when it comes to the crunch, with few GI's remaining, and without any obvious development, I'm left querying whether I want to spend money on an Online game that is beginning to show 'signs of wear'.
Some of that 'wear' is incredibly easy to fix, if DoW are not prepared to make those repairs then they cannot be surprised if they are losing regular custom. I'll gladly buy more ingots when I see some return for my investment (and I'm really not asking much!).
Jim
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Sat, 26 January 2013 13:16
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I also agree with Quit's point of view..
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Sat, 26 January 2013 19:06
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I do agree with some people that the "open games" do have a bad influence on gameplay. We, the old war horses, know what is happening and know how to handle it. Newer players do get confused about it and if not explained it will give them a bad impression/experience and might turn them away from the game.
That there are some flaws is not what bugs me the most. I can certainly live with that. What I do find hard to stomach is the deterioration in service on the complaints/bugs. It used to be that when you reported a bug or anything, you would get answers pretty quick (even if they could not fix it quickly) communication was up and running.
My last bug report got. . . . . absolutely nothing. Even reminders that I had sent it in were met with complete silence from DoW side. You might say I should not moan about that on the forum, but the official channels do not work so this is (one of my) next option(s).
DoW does not have to fear I will abandon the game at the end of my ingots. I will gladly buy more, but I feel that he company should have a minimum of communication, even a mail stating they choose to not spend time and money on M44 at this moment in time would be appreciated.
I personally think that they invested all their time in Ticket to Ride and Small World. I do find that a minimum of attention for the games not currently under revision would be nice. And I hope that when DoW turn around and put some love into M44 they will also keep maintaining service on TTR and SW.
Just my two cents.
And the best of luck to Major Wojas, hope he gets liberated pretty soon. 
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| Jeronimon wrote on Sat, 26 January 2013 18:06 |
That there are some flaws is not what bugs me the most. I can certainly live with that. What I do find hard to stomach is the deterioration in service on the complaints/bugs. It used to be that when you reported a bug or anything, you would get answers pretty quick (even if they could not fix it quickly) communication was up and running.
My last bug report got. . . . . absolutely nothing. Even reminders that I had sent it in were met with complete silence from DoW side. You might say I should not moan about that on the forum, but the official channels do not work so this is (one of my) next option(s).
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Absolutely in agreement with Jeroen. I never tried private messaging anyone at DoW except for trying to set a match for the corresponding badge (no answer there), but I have 2 bug reports sent over an year ago that never got answered either. I now tried p.m. once again, as Geoff suggested, but I feel this system is abandoned, at least for the time being.
Like Jeroen, I do not consider to leave this game at this point. But I'm looking forward to have news from DoW, even if those news do not hold any promises.
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| Jaykay2010 wrote on Sat, 26 January 2013 07:14 |
I love the online game, I love the boardgame, i love the competitors online, but at the end of the day I don't part with my cash because of any sense of loyalty to DoW, I pay up because as a customer I think I'm getting a good service for my hard earned money.
I sincerely hope it won't be long before there are some promising updates brought to us, and then I will be more than happy to pay for a big supply of GI's....
I'm left querying whether I want to spend money on an Online game that is beginning to show 'signs of wear'....
I'll gladly buy more ingots when I see some return for my investment (and I'm really not asking much!).
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Ditto. My Sergeant Pack is almost up, after playing the new scenarios, and some others I enjoy.
I don't know what solution there is to light a fire, other than restraining from purchasing G.I.s until there's a sale (like last year) or update or something new. If everyone buys more G.I.s then the game is fine, and doesn't need enhancement. But, if people don't, then maybe it's run its course and the effort won't give a return on investment.
I'm not sure what they're looking at to determine when to add more resources. Number of active players? Then we'd need people to play 1 game or match every 10 days or so. Are they looking at people buying the board game? Then I think there should be a flyer or code for the online game in every box and expansion to get people online and buying G.I.s.
A newbie said he didn't think there weren't that many people in the lobby (compared to which game? I don't know), to keep him coming back. So what do you want to do- hang out in the lobby and don't play very much?
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Re:Major Wojas in Bastogne hell
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Sun, 27 January 2013 10:51
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The images that Von Kleist posted up ... are on the start page of the Online game? I can't see them .... 
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Dietrich von Kleist
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Re:Major Wojas in Bastogne hell
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Sun, 27 January 2013 11:50
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| Jaykay2010 wrote on Sun, 27 January 2013 10:51 |
The images that Von Kleist posted up ... are on the start page of the Online game? I can't see them ....
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You can see them here (on the sides):
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/
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Jaykay2010
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Re:Major Wojas in Bastogne hell
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Tue, 29 January 2013 15:36
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Thanks DoW!!!
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