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jhawksley
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unfair questions Thu, 01 January 2009 08:02
What do you think about the following question:

What is 1*(do you have monk 1) + 2*(do you have monk 2) + 4*(do you have monk 3) + ...?
This question encodes complete information about the player's hand in binary?

What about the following:

Are you going to do exactly one of: 1) make an accusation next turn, and 2) answer yes to this question?

If the victim answers yes, then he cannot make an accusation. If he answers no, then he must also not make an accusation. Hence the victim must lie or allow his destiny to be controlled.

Are the penance rules meant to be a catchall for these problems? As an aside, can the majority collude to call penance on the leader for no good reason?

There is also a tit for tat element, whereby if I ask a dirty question, it will be countered by a dirty question. So this hurts me as well, and just ends up helping the neutral players who stayed away from such questions altogether.
      
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Re:unfair questions Fri, 02 January 2009 18:43
jhawksley wrote on Thu, 01 January 2009 02:02

What do you think about the following question:

What is 1*(do you have monk 1) + 2*(do you have monk 2) + 4*(do you have monk 3) + ...?
This question encodes complete information about the player's hand in binary?


You cannot ask compound questions (as posted in earlier threads). You can ask if a player has a single monk but not more. Besides, if you allow this, you allow encoding the players suspect sheet as well, and either way, the game would be pretty pointless.

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Are you going to do exactly one of: 1) make an accusation next turn, and 2) answer yes to this question?

If the victim answers yes, then he cannot make an accusation. If he answers no, then he must also not make an accusation. Hence the victim must lie or allow his destiny to be controlled.



I would say this is not legal (on several grounds) as it is again a compound question. Also, this, and the other, are not in the spirit of the game. Remember, you are a monk!



      
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Re:unfair questions Sat, 09 March 2013 03:49
Sgt Storm wrote on Sat, 03 January 2009 04:43

You can ask if a player has a single monk but not more. Besides, if you allow this, you allow encoding the players suspect sheet as well, and either way, the game would be pretty pointless.

The rules say "You may, however, supply one or more names as part of your question". Therefore you could ask "Have you eliminated both Novice Basil and Novice Guy?" legally. Note, however, that a "no" answer here is ambiguous.

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jhawksley wrote on Thu, 01 January 2009 02:02

Are you going to do exactly one of: 1) make an accusation next turn, and 2) answer yes to this question?

If the victim answers yes, then he cannot make an accusation. If he answers no, then he must also not make an accusation. Hence the victim must lie or allow his destiny to be controlled.



I would say this is not legal (on several grounds) as it is again a compound question. Also, this, and the other, are not in the spirit of the game. Remember, you are a monk!


This is a clever idea, and is not technically a compound question. I agree it is not in the spirit of the game, but it's good lateral thinking. The only problem is that a player can honestly answer one way, and then legitimately change his mind about what he was going to do before his next turn. The other players have no way of knowing if the player has lied or changed tactics after the question, so it wouldn't work.
      
    
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