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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sat, 17 March 2012 10:09
Dear Memoir 44 fans!

I read your comments on the forum, and i like to response.
First of all, i agree with most of your opinions. Everybody can win on RBF. No matter which side you are playing at. And that is the beauty of it! This map is so complex, that every player can find his/her way to victory!

How to use Recon card as axis? - I agree with the players, that it depends on the situation and on your style how to use these cards. There is no "universal clue" to win, because there are hundreds of good moves, and your success is depending on how you mix them! I have different strategy for offensive play, and other for defensive play. I enjoy the most, when i control the game! I had several battles, where i could spare and save (did not playing during the whole game) powerful cards like: Barrage or Air power. That is very hard! If you are good enough, try to
play like that! Most of the players try to use his/her best cards in every turn, because you never know: Will you have the chance later to play this card? Not always! But turning the game upside down like that is only recommended for hardcore M44 players. Smile

I know, that my statistical curiosity is strange for most of the players. It was a very long and tiring way to get here. It took me several months. To tell the truth, sometimes i find it boring too. Not all the way, but occasionally. I started an exciting experiment, i collected data from the RBF battles, but i had to play a lot of games to reach new dice roll levels. My Friend Ppodahu helped me a lot with sending his stats.

I finally arrived to the next big statistic milestone of my M44 online experiment. We just passed 60000 dice rolls on the RBF after 448 battles.

You may say that i became an addict of RBF, which is not very far away from the truth. I am not playing very often online, because i dont have too much freetime. I decided to play mostly on RBF map if i play online, to collect data for my experiment. Moreover, after a few games on RBF, i realized that i like this map. It has a lot of strategical opportunities, and i believe that the players has more chance to beat luck on RBF than any other M44 scenarios.

I was happy to win battles with both sides. My rate of success is about 80% on RBF (combined both sides). It was a very hard and long way to get the first place on the ELO ranklist. To reach the 2000 level was a very hard challenge. And after losing a few battles, I lost 100 points, and i had to win 10-12 games in a row without a loss, to climb back. You need to be tough, to focus during these games. After i reached the 2000 point-level, i tried to make new records. My first record was 2018. I just broke this record with 2031 and yesterday i reached 2039. This is very challenging for me to climb up on this point marker. I am also very curious who will be the next who will reach 2000 points. Mouchotte 72 is very close now. Ppodahu reached once, but (just like me) he has to start over, and climb back. This is the hardest challenge. Good luck for both of you!

Sometimes i played other maps too, because i need a few badges, for example Air Ace and lucky roll badges. I am not very succesful with these badges, i had several opportunities to get some of them, but luck was not on my side. Maybe later...
I am also playing with the boardgame version (with expansions) with friends. I just bought the Air pack expansion for M44. I try to understand the rules. It is interesting. I agree with Airstrike, and i hope that Daysofwonder will focus on developing the online game by implementing the expansions. We would like to play on other scenarios too, and try every expansion of the board game in the online version too.

Now, after i reached this "60 thousand dice rolls" milestone, i will take a longer break to spend more time with my family, and later i will focus on the promotion to general. I will play other maps more often. Smile

I have an interesting question for you: Do you know that those dice rolls, when the opponent steps on a mine field are added to your statistics at the end of the game or not? I thought they are, but i am not sure. I played a game on RBF, and i killed at least 6 enemy armor units and i get 2 medals for them, but at the end, in my statistics there were only 5 killed armors. How is it possible? Is it a bug? I don't think DoW made a mistake, because is not a very hard job to add simple numbers. I killed an armor unit on a minefield, and i was thinking about it, that
these "minefield dice rolls" may not be added to the stats. What do you think?

And here are the latest numbers:

My dice rolls:

Infantry: 10919 - 33,51%
Tank: 5475 - 16,80%
Grenade: 5359 - 16,45%
Flag: 5495 - 16,86%
Star: 5335 - 16,37%
All: 32583

Opponent dice rolls:

Infantry: 9194 - 33,41%
Tank: 4602 - 16,72%
Grenade: 4635 - 16,84%
Flag: 4570 - 16,60%
Star: 4521 - 16,43%
All: 27522

Total numbers:
Infantry: 20113 - 33,46%
Tank: 10077 - 16,77%
Grenade: 9994 - 16,63%
Flag: 10065 - 16,75%
Star: 9856 - 16,40%
All: 60105

My Targets:
Infantry:
Roll: 20981
Hit: 10171
48,48%

Armor:
Roll: 9061
Hit 2986
32,95%

Artillery:
Roll: 2535
Hit: 706
27,85%


Opponent Targets:
Infantry:
Roll: 17264
Hit: 8358
48,41%

Armor:
Roll: 8871
Hit: 2870
32,35%

Artillery:
Roll: 1387
Hit: 369
26,60%

Total targets:

Infantry:
Roll: 38245
Hit: 18529
48,45%

Armor:
Roll: 17932
Hit: 5856
32,66%

Artillery:
Roll: 3922
Hit: 1075
27,41%

Number of battles: 448
Average 134,16 Axis Allied
My: 72,73 83,91 61,97
Opponent: 61,43 54,99 67,07

The distribution of dice rolls by sides is very interesting. I roll much less as allied player than my opponents and much more as axis!

My average hits of enemy units: 30,94
Opponent's hits: 25,89
Difference: 5,06

Total number of killed units: 25460
unit/game: 56,83
My: 13863
Opponent: 11597


Number of turns and duration of the battles:
When i was axis: 38,75 turns
The battles last 43 minutes and 34 seconds in average. (of course a lot depends on the speed of the computers, the bandwidth of the internet connection, and the quickness of the players)

When i was allied: 31,8 turns
The battles last 35 minutes and 56 seconds in average.

Number of collected medals during 448 games:
My: 4154
Opponent: 2760
The maximum is 4480, if we do not count with the possibilities of collecting 11 or 12 medals/game.

Distribution of my targets:
Target % Dice rolls
Infantry 64,39% 46,83
Armor 27,81% 20,23
Artillery 7,78% 5,66


Opponent targets:
Target % Dice rolls
Infantry 62,73% 38,54
Armor 32,23% 19,80
Artillery 5,04% 3,10

I hope you find my topic about the Red Barricade Factory useful and you are able to improve your skills with it.
Good luck for you M44 fans! Enjoy the game and roll the dice on RBF! Smile

Bye!
HamonSerrano

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sat, 17 March 2012 11:59
indeed ,arnhem is waiting ( playing ) a game to get airstrike or barrage ( almost the only way to win ) seems a waste of time for me Smile

but you're right patience is the key word !!!

also at RBF i think Smile

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Mon, 26 March 2012 13:16
stevie02 you're fully right !!!
patience is the key
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Wed, 28 March 2012 16:27
Hello M44 fans!

As I see, RBF scenario is very popular nowadays. More and more players are playing on this map! Keep going! Smile
I will refresh my data experiment in a few days, with the latest numbers.

Let's roll the dice and have fun!

Bye!
HamonSerrano
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Wed, 29 August 2012 08:43
Hello everybody!
I could not keep my promise, i forgot to refresh my statistics. In a few days i will share the latest data and some interesting pictures.
Bye!

      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sun, 02 September 2012 15:04
Dear Memoir 44 fans!

I promised, that i will refresh my statistics. I late a few months with the numbers, but finally i had the time to share with you. Here are the latest numbers:

572 battles
76783 dice rolls (unfortunately the mine field, finest hour, medics dice rolls are excluded, because they are not shown on the final statistic screen after a battle)

My dice roll figures:

Infantry: 13911 - 33,37%
Tank: 6974 - 16,73%
Grenade: 6970 - 16,72%
Flag: 7023 - 16,85%
Star: 6808 - 16,33%
All: 41686

Opponent's dice roll figures:

Infantry: 11685 - 33,29%
Tank: 5845 - 16,65%
Grenade: 5914 - 16,85%
Flag: 5858 - 16,69%
Star: 5795 - 16,51%
All: 35097

Total numbers:
Infantry: 25596 - 33,34%
Tank: 12819 - 16,70%
Grenade: 12884 - 16,78%
Flag: 12881 - 16,78%
Star: 12603 - 16,41%

The star figure is a little less than expected

My Targets:
Infantry:
Roll: 26863
Hit: 12996
48,38%

Armor:
Roll: 11417
Hit 3814
33,41%

Artillery:
Roll: 3400
Hit: 937
27,56%


Opponent's Targets:
Infantry:
Roll: 21817
Hit: 10626
48,71%

Armor:
Roll: 11388
Hit: 3709
32,57%

Artillery:
Roll: 1892
Hit: 499
26,37%

Total targets:

Infantry:
Roll: 48680
Hit: 23622
48,53%

Armor:
Roll: 22805
Hit: 7523
32,99%

Artillery:
Roll: 5292
Hit: 1436
27,14%

Number of battles: 572
Average dice roll/battle: 134,24
My: 72,88 (88,08 Axis and 61,50 Allied)
Opponent: 61,36 (61,46 Axis and 61,25 Allied)

The distribution of dice rolls by sides is very interesting. As Allied player I roll almost the same as my opponents but i roll much more as axis!

My average hits of enemy units: 31,03
Opponent's hits: 25,93
Difference: 5,09

Total number of killed units: 32581
unit/game: 56,96
My: 17747
Opponent: 14834

Number of turns and duration of the battles:
When i was axis: 38,86 turns
The battles last 42 minutes and 25 seconds in average. (of course a lot depends on the speed of the computers, the bandwidth of the internet connection, and the quickness of the players)

When i was allied: 31,39 turns
The battles last 34 minutes and 59 seconds in average.

Number of collected medals during 572 games:
My: 5299 (9,26/battle)
Opponent: 3547 (6,2/battle)
The maximum is 5720, if we do not count with the possibilities of collecting 11 or 12 medals/game.

Distribution of my targets:
Infantry 64,44% - 46,96 dice rolls
Armor 27,39% - 19,96 dice rolls
Artillery 8,16% - 5,94 dice rolls

Opponent's targets:
Infantry 62,16% - 38,14 dice rolls
Armor 32,45% - 19,91 dice rolls
Artillery 5,39% - 3,31 dice rolls

I hope you find my topic about the Red Barricade Factory useful and you are able to improve your skills with it.
Good luck for you M44 fans! Enjoy the game and roll the dice on RBF!

I share a link with you:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kd6z0yb2hgz78wi/z5NmPbfZGk

Here you can find some of my screenshots what i made during playing with M44. I chosed these pictures because i found them very interesting. The name of the files are helping you, what is on the pictures.

There was a time during the beta testing, when hardcore memoir fans could get 11 or 12 medals on the Red Barricade Factory scenario. I think this is prohibited nowadays, but i saw that other players are able to do that. I don't understand how they did it, because i tried several times, and i got only 10 medals. I get medals for the town hexes, but they were not added to final medal score. If you have an answer please share with me. Thanks!

I have a few pictures with my high scores. There was a time, when i had 141 points advantage. Once and never again Smile
Bad luck screenshots from both sides, interesting final dice roll statistics and cards in hand in critical situations Smile

If you have question, feel free to ask me!

Have fun!
HamonSerrano

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Fri, 21 December 2012 01:08
Hi Serrano!

I have changed my name as you suggested. You can find me as "kolbaszosorbit". I am ready for an RBF challenge. Smile

Udv,
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Fri, 21 December 2012 07:18
kolbaszosorbit wrote on Fri, 21 December 2012 01:08

Hi Serrano!

I have changed my name as you suggested. You can find me as "kolbaszosorbit". I am ready for an RBF challenge. Smile

Udv,
kolbaszosorbit (ex player1195193)


And now an original avatar and you are ready to rock&roll Smile
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=243618#msg_243618
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Thu, 28 February 2013 17:17
hi Hamon, your topic is really interresting ( the dice ratio is quiet the same after hundreds of battles !!! )

but according "statistics" i think it happen too often that "medic" or "heroic actions" lead to NO unit activation !!!!

even with 5 or 6 dices !!!!

the RBF and all other M44 scenari key to victory is to shoot more than the opponent !!!
what you do so well as german !!!

but i think M44 rules should be modified !!!
i mean "airstrike card" 1 dice for german and 2 for allies ( it's logical in 1944 when allies get the air superiority !!!
but this card should be modified according the historical context !!!
so which nation get "air superiority" at the momment of the battle
and could be axis 1/1 allies or 2/1 or 2/2 or 1/2
and when blitz rules are effective it should be axis 2/1 or 1/1 !!!
i'd like also if the "air rules" could be added online
it's so fun to manage your plane on the battle field !!!

hope to play RBF with you another time
enjoy M44
bye bye
Airstrike

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sun, 17 March 2013 14:13
Dear Memoir 44 fans!

I promised, that i will refresh my statistics. Thanks for Airstrike to remind me. Smile
First of all, i would like to answer him:

I agree with you, that Medics or The finest Hour dice rolls are very various, and the players feel disappointed after

rolling "nothing useful" with 4, 5 or 6 dice rolls!

If we can accept the fact, that M44 dice roll machine works correctly (long therm), we can say, that shooting (rolling)

more can be an advantage against our opponents. If we protect our units more (avoiding flag can be a hit, or moving

them to save positions: town, hill, etc) and we don't let our enemy to shoot our units with maximum dice.
I think focusing on both statements can be the efficient way.

I think a lot of M44 fans can agree with you. We all miss Air pack online! I hope DOW will implement it to M44 online

soon to avoid loosing fans who bored this game.


I late a few months with the numbers. I countinously collect battle statistics, but i rarely have time to process this huge

data.

Here are the latest numbers:

759 battles with more than 100 K dice rolls! Smile
Finally we arrived to this huge milestone!
101801 dice rolls (unfortunately the mine field, finest hour, medics dice rolls are excluded, because they are not

shown on the final statistic screen after a battle)

My dice roll figures:

Infantry: 18433 - 33,48%
Tank: 9194 - 16,70%
Grenade: 9192 - 16,70%
Flag: 9292 - 16,88%
Star: 8944 - 16,25%
All: 55055

Opponent's dice roll figures:

Infantry: 15580 - 33,33%
Tank: 7760 - 16,60%
Grenade: 7860 - 16,81%
Flag: 7841 - 16,77%
Star: 7705 - 16,48%
All: 46746

Total numbers:
Infantry: 34013 - 33,41%
Tank: 16854 - 16,65%
Grenade: 17052 - 16,75%
Flag: 17133 - 16,83%
Star: 16649 - 16,35%
All: 101801

The star figure is a little less than expected.

My Targets:
Infantry:
Roll: 35445
Hit: 17142
48,36%

Armor:
Roll: 15133
Hit: 5037
33,28%

Artillery:
Roll: 4447
Hit: 1215
27,32%

Opponent's Targets:
Infantry:
Roll: 29057
Hit: 14166
48,75%

Armor:
Roll: 15132
Hit: 4961
32,78%

Artillery:
Roll: 2567
Hit: 686
26,72%

Total targets:

Infantry:
Roll: 64502
Hit: 31308
48,54%

Armor:
Roll: 30265
Hit: 9998
33,03%

Artillery:
Roll: 7014
Hit: 1901
27,10%

Number of battles: 759
Victory: 587
Loss: 172
win ratio: 77,34 %

Average dice roll/battle: 134,13
My: 72,54 (84,667 Axis and 61,24 Allied)
Opponent: 61,59 (63,44 Axis and 59,60 Allied)

The distribution of dice rolls by sides is very interesting. As Allied player I roll a little less than my opponents, but I roll

much more as axis!

My average hits of enemy units: 30,82
Opponent's hits: 26,10
Difference: 4,72

Total number of killed units: 43207
unit/battle: 56,92
My: 23394
Opponent: 19813

Number of turns and duration of the battles:
When i was axis: 38,23 turns
The battles last 50 minutes and 31 seconds in average. (of course a lot depends on the speed of the computers, the

bandwidth of the internet connection, and the quickness of the players)

When i was allied: 30,8 turns
The battles last 33 minutes and 48 seconds in average.

Number of collected medals during 759 games:
My: 6987 (9,206/battle)
Opponent: 4775 (6,291/battle)
The maximum is 7590, if we do not count with the possibilities of collecting 11 or 12 medals/game.

Distribution of my targets:
Infantry 64,38% - 46,70 dice rolls
Armor 27,49% - 19,94 dice rolls
Artillery 8,08% - 5,86 dice rolls

Opponent's targets:
Infantry 62,16% - 38,28 dice rolls
Armor 32,37% - 19,94 dice rolls
Artillery 5,49% - 3,38 dice rolls

I hope you find my topic about the Red Barricade Factory useful and you are able to improve your skills with it.
Good luck for you M44 fans! Enjoy the game and roll the dice on RBF!

There was a time during the beta testing, when hardcore memoir fans could get 11 or 12 medals on the Red Barricade

Factory scenario. I think this is prohibited nowadays, but i saw that other players are able to do that. I don't understand

how they did it, because i tried several times, and i got only 10 medals. I get medals for the town hexes, but they were

not added to final medal score. If you have an answer please share with me. Thanks!

If you have question, feel free to ask me!

The next interesting milestone will be the 120.000 dice rolls. I think it take several months or a year to reach this

number Smile

Have fun with M44!
HamonSerrano
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Thu, 21 March 2013 16:37
thank you very much hamon for your response and topic Smile
in the kill ratio it's not shown ( impossible i supose ) the number of flags used by you ( and opponents ) to have a kill , that's also a m44 skill to have room to flee when necessary or even have no room when attacking ( avoiding fleeing when using infiltartion , armor assault ect ... )
indeed we saw that roll dices are quiet the same for everyone on really long period !!
i think also that luck is turning ( i get for the time being , great cards and nice dice roll ,i'm sure 1 day it will be the opposite for 3 to 5 games in a row !!! )
it happen to me several times after a long winning period !!!

hope for air rules included Smile

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Thu, 21 March 2013 17:17
Hello M44 fans!

Rolled Flags, which cause hit (when unit can not retreat) would be also an interesting detail for hardcore players like us.
Unfortunately the battle summary is not public for the players.
You cannot download an xls with it. (you can download only personal battles) I collect data manually from the battle summary screen. It is not all the data what we could use. On this screen you can't see the statistics of Medics, The finest hour. These rolled dice are not shown, just like the minefield dice too.

I know, that my (or any) statistics will not be perfect, because you can not count the critical situations. For example you can't kill a single infantry unit in the bottom row with a barrage. I tried to kill with a barrage, and rolled only stars and tank. Smile

I you have bad luck in a situation, it could cause trouble for you. An injured, but survivor unit can make a medal, by killing an enemy unit next round. You can loose a game with a situation like that, and you may not see in the summary stat, that your dice roll % (hit rate) was below average. It is too complicated to show it perfectly in the stats.

I really don't understand why DOW make a secret about a facts, how many times were a battle played online? It would be helpful for players, to know, which maps are the most popular.
You can see the win rate chances before choosing a battle, but you can not see, how many times were played.

I try to show for players that DOW's dice roll machine works correctly. 100.000 dice roll is a huge number to prove this fact.
Lot of players think that only luck (dice and cards) decide the outcome of a battle. I disagree. The skill of a player (knowledge of M44, rules, maps, strategy) is very important too.
Unfortunately there are only a few maps (scenarios) where you have the time to beat the luck factor. RBF gives you the best chance for that. That's why we like this map. Smile
Hard to be patient when your dice rolls are below average, and most of the scenarios are too short to change the battle.
Which other maps would you recommend to beat luck?

Anybody knows how can we reach 11 or 12 points in a game? I got the medals (visually shown on the screen) but not added to the final score.

Bye!
HamonSerrano

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Thu, 21 March 2013 17:41
Hi Hammon,

Lots of nice Expert scenarios let you the time to "beat the luck". I have remarked than the players are designing most of time some maps with more medals than Dow maps. So, the games are longer and let the opportunity to reverse the initial tender.

For instance, I like a lot play the scenarios designed by Looney Llama : tactical, intense, complex, in a word a pure pleasure ! Looney is just a name among lots of very good designers. (thanks to all of them for this impressive work).

I'm not myself a fan of RBF map as I find the Russian side often boring to play. This feeling has increased with the time and the discovery of others (SFTF) "long time" map very well designed and balanced.

Hoping to meet you soon on a SFTF map ... otherwise, on RBF map Laughing Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sun, 24 March 2013 19:18
thanks guys for your interresting infos and responses !
i'll try those experts scenari
hope to play together guys

bye bye
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sat, 22 June 2013 16:07
Hello Memoir 44 fans!

I just finished an interesting RBF battle.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=36 502440

I was really surprised, when(21st turn) my opponent played an ambush card when i was attacking his sniper with my special armor unit (4 tanks) and he rolled a star, and killed one of my tanks.

What do you think about that? Is it a bug? Is this against the rules? Or a very special situation, where sniper can hit an armor unit?

I am really curious about your opinion.

Thanks!

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sat, 22 June 2013 19:31
It is a bug, a sniper should not be able to ambush armor.

Funnily enough the first time I had this it was also on RBF, only I did the sniping and destroyed the tank. Razz
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sun, 23 June 2013 00:28
It is a bug and has been reported multiple times.
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sun, 23 June 2013 04:45
I had a very upsetting experience from the other side.

My opponent played Armor Assault, I believe, started moving his tank between my sniper on a hill and infantry in the open. Instead of attacking my infantry, as I would have, he went one dice less against my sniper. Unfortunately, I didn't realize in time to put my card down, so Ambushed his tank by sniper, which is against the rules, and a glitch they haven't fixed yet.

He said he loves when that happens. I said "sorry", then said "I don't believe in cheating." He immediately left the game, and when I returned to the lobby, he said, "You're now on my ignore list - you should watch what you say." I would think after playing someone 20x, they'd take a minute to talk it out, and avoid misunderstanding.

I guess it just goes to show that people online don't act like they're in your living room. They aren't your "friend" or "buddy", and wouldn't let you spend the night on their couch if you're in town.

Fortunately, this is a two-player game. Some multi-player games have a lot more brat-like people, who are rude during the game and quit when they're not winning. Because of this, people have pretty much given up trying to get 4-players in a 3-4 player game I like.

-JFK

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sun, 23 June 2013 15:45
JFKoski wrote on Sun, 23 June 2013 03:45


I guess it just goes to show that people online don't act like they're in your living room.


Quite true and I have to admit this regarding myself: while I make a conscious effort in order to deal with the "others" as if they were in front of me, sometimes, in the most frustrating moments, I behave in a more childish manner, disregarding the person on the other side and rather seeing her as some sort of an entity. A strange one, of course. It's a process very similar to what goes on in car traffic.
It will always be my objective to avoid this behavior and I will never give up making such conscious effort.

Anyway, that is quite a story, JFKoski! Perhaps your opponent will consider to revoke his decision when he thinks about it with a clearer head.

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Tue, 30 July 2013 12:27
Hamon, for your records,

Here is my quickest RBF with allies, ever !

10-1, 8 turns.

I'd love to see that happen more often... Very Happy

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Tue, 27 August 2013 14:50
hi guys, i got the same and 1 of my tanks was blown !
it's a bug !
      
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random thoughts Mon, 02 September 2013 23:56
wow Silenttimo, a very impressive victory. Nice bowling. I see you follow a very bold way to handle situations, very good! Thumbs Up
Does anybody know if we can download somewhere probability charts for the die rolls in which you can see, for example, what are your win chances (0, 1 or 2 tanks down), if you attack a tank unit, consisting of two tanks, which cannot retreat, with two dice, etc.? It is not urgent, since if you play the game, or other games with dice, long enough, you develop a sense of intuition of what is best to roll against who. Could be nice as a further 'scientific research', now we know, thanks to HamonSerrano, that thorough scientific research has proven that the program is not cheating, and, among others, that aggressive tactics reward by the sheer number of die rolls, in which I am a fervent believer too. Very Happy .
Another thing is that we could make a 'gentleman's rulebook' in which all the actions that are possible by bugs in the program, but not allowed according to the game rules are written down. All players from, say, the rank of major onwards should then know and abide by these (not taking profit of the bugs). A few weeks ago I played somebody and, although I had no movement left at an exit hex, the program asked me if i wanted to exit board, which would make me win the game instantaneously. I didn't want to win like that, so I clicked 'No' and lost the next turn. I explained my 'enemy' and he let me win the rematch, when he was winning. That was not necessary for me at all, but I liked the sportsmanship, because it lifted the game so far above winning for ourselves. A very moving experience. I see that gentlemen-ship regularly and it is heart warming. Makes the game real so to speak.

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Re:random thoughts Tue, 03 September 2013 00:28
GeneralStrike wrote on Mon, 02 September 2013 17:56


Does anybody know if we can download somewhere probability charts for the die rolls in which you can see, for example, what are your win chances (0, 1 or 2 tanks down), if you attack a tank unit, consisting of two tanks, which cannot retreat, with two dice, etc.?


I understand that there is a book that contains such charts, as well as various other strategy hints for playing Memoir '44. However, the last time I looked, it was not available in English. (It was published in French, and is available on the Memoir '44 European online store).

As for the specific question you asked--(2 tanks that cannot retreat, with two dice), the answer is as follows--
1. The chance of hitting a tank that cannot retreat is 1/2 (Will hit on grenade, tank or flag--each of which is represented on one side of the die. Will not hit on infantry--which are on two die faces--or a star. So the chance of a hit is 3/6, or 1/2.)
2. The chance of getting both hits on just two dice are 1/2 multiplied by 1/2, or 1/4.
3. There is also a 1/4 chance of missing entirely, and a 1/2 chance of hitting one tank.

With a knowledge of how the figures are distributed on the die (2 infantry, 1 tank, 1 grenade, 1 flag and 1 star), what will be a hit in each situation, and some basic statistics, you can work out the probabilities for yourself for any situation.
      
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Re:random thoughts Tue, 03 September 2013 07:06
JAParker wrote on Tue, 03 September 2013 00:28

GeneralStrike wrote on Mon, 02 September 2013 17:56


Does anybody know if we can download somewhere probability charts for the die rolls in which you can see, for example, what are your win chances (0, 1 or 2 tanks down), if you attack a tank unit, consisting of two tanks, which cannot retreat, with two dice, etc.?


I understand that there is a book that contains such charts, as well as various other strategy hints for playing Memoir '44. However, the last time I looked, it was not available in English. (It was published in French, and is available on the Memoir '44 European online store).

As for the specific question you asked--(2 tanks that cannot retreat, with two dice), the answer is as follows--
1. The chance of hitting a tank that cannot retreat is 1/2 (Will hit on grenade, tank or flag--each of which is represented on one side of the die. Will not hit on infantry--which are on two die faces--or a star. So the chance of a hit is 3/6, or 1/2.)
2. The chance of getting both hits on just two dice are 1/2 multiplied by 1/2, or 1/4.
3. There is also a 1/4 chance of missing entirely, and a 1/2 chance of hitting one tank.

With a knowledge of how the figures are distributed on the die (2 infantry, 1 tank, 1 grenade, 1 flag and 1 star), what will be a hit in each situation, and some basic statistics, you can work out the probabilities for yourself for any situation.


Look here.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/mypage/357537/m44/story#_inde x_4
on the bottom of praxeo's user page you find a simulator for the probabilities as well as his book.
j.
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Tue, 03 September 2013 14:09
I have not read the full thread, but units exploding on mines ARE NOT included in the stats given at the end of RBF.
      
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  Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Thu, 05 September 2013 22:26
thanks JAParker and JJAZ for your replies! will see what is there.

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  Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sun, 08 September 2013 20:13
Dear Memoir 44 fans!

As i expected, it took me 6 months, to reach the next milestone: 120.000 dice rolls!
Now i have the statistics of 900 battles on the Red Barricade Factory scenario!
Huge numbers! 

Here are the latest numbers:
120681 dice rolls (unfortunately the mine field, finest hour, medics dice rolls are excluded, because they are not shown on the final statistic screen after a battle)

My dice roll figures:

Infantry: 21821 - 33,45%
Tank: 10909 - 16,72%
Grenade: 10943 - 16,77%
Flag: 10953 - 16,79%
Star: 10616 - 16,27%
All: 65242

Opponent's dice roll figures:

Infantry: 18517 - 33,40%
Tank: 9186 - 16,57%
Grenade: 9362 - 16,89%
Flag: 9286 - 16,75%
Star: 9088 - 16,39%
All: 55439

Total numbers:
Infantry: 40338 - 33,43%
Tank: 20095 - 16,65%
Grenade: 20305 - 16,83%
Flag: 20239 - 16,77%
Star: 19704 - 16,33%
All: 120681

The star figure is a little less than expected.It should have been more than 20 thousand.

My Targets:
Infantry:
Roll: 42093
Hit: 20391
48,44%

Armor:
Roll: 17869
Hit: 5955
33,33%

Artillery:
Roll: 5260
Hit: 1426
27,11%

Opponent's Targets:
Infantry:
Roll: 34431
Hit: 16777
48,73%

Armor:
Roll: 18014
Hit: 5920
32,78%

Artillery:
Roll: 2997
Hit: 808
26,96%

Total targets:

Infantry:
Roll: 76524
Hit: 37168
48,57%

Armor:
Roll: 35883
Hit: 11875
33,09%

Artillery:
Roll: 8257
Hit: 2234
27,06%

Number of battles: 900
Victory: 692
Loss: 208
win ratio: 76,89 %

Average dice roll/battle: 134,09
My: 72,49 (84,03 Axis and 61,24 Allied)
Opponent: 61,60 (64,33 Axis and 58,76 Allied)

The distribution of dice rolls by sides is very interesting. As Allied player I roll a little more than my opponents, but I roll much more as axis!

My average hits of enemy units: 30,86
Opponent's hits: 26,12
Difference: 4,74

Total number of killed units: 51277
unit/battle: 56,97
My: 27772
Opponent: 23505

Number of collected medals during 900 games:
My: 8250 (9,167/battle)
Opponent: 5710 (6,344/battle)
The maximum is 9000, if we do not count with the possibilities of collecting 11 or 12 medals/game.

Distribution of my targets:
Infantry 64,52% - 46,77 dice rolls
Armor 27,39% - 19,85 dice rolls
Artillery 8,06% - 5,84 dice rolls

Opponent's targets:
Infantry 62,11% - 38,26 dice rolls
Armor 32,49% - 20,02 dice rolls
Artillery 5,41% - 3,33 dice rolls

I hope you find my topic useful. Enjoy the game and roll the dice on RBF! 

Have fun with M44!
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Sun, 08 September 2013 20:56
Thanks Hamon for this huge statistic work.

Always ready to help you collecting some new datas on this scenario if you are looking for opponents Very Happy

see you soon on battelfields !

      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Tue, 10 September 2013 19:59
Dear Artimon!

Thanks for the reply! Invite me, if you see me in the lobby!

I will share more detailed information about these scenario soon.

See you soon!

Bye HamonSerrano
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Tue, 17 September 2013 11:13
Hello M44 fans!

I tried to analyze my statistical research, how can it be more useful for other m44 players.
I will share a lot of new information about my results. I know that after that, i have to work harder for every victory, but on the other hand a lot of player can learn new things, and they can use it to improve their skills, and be more successful.

This would be too much for 1 post, so i will share in smaller packages. Smile

900 RBF battle stats: The numbers behind the battles!
These are detailed statistic data just for curios m44 data miners Smile

My opponent´s shots against my Artillery units:
In those battles, when my opponent shot down 4 of my artillery units, 80% they win the battle! (25 battles, 20 victories for opponent)
In those battles, when my opponent shot down 3 of my artillery units, 50% they win the battle! (48 battles, 24 victories for opponent)
In those battles, when my opponent shot down 2 of my artillery units, 37,6% they win the battle! (194 battles, 73 victories for opponent)
In those battles, when my opponent shot down 1 of my artillery units, 20,4% they win the battle! (176 battles, 36 victories for opponent)
In those battles, when my opponent shot down 0 of my artillery units, 11,59% they win the battle! (457 battles, 53 victories for opponent)

My Allied opponent´s results against my axis (german) artillery:
If my Allied opponent shot down 1 or less of my german artillery units, they won 15,68% of these battles! (338 battles and 53 victories)
If my Allied opponent shot down 2 or more of my german artillery units, they won 28,3% of these battles! (106 battles and 30 victories)

My Axis oopponent´s results against my allied (russian) artillery:
If my Axis opponent shot down 1 or less of my russian artillery units, they won 12,2% of these battles! (295 battles and 36 victories)
If my Axis opponent shot down 2 or more of my russian artillery units, they won 54,03% of these battles! (161 battles and 87 victories)

My stats against opponent´s Artillery units:
In those battles, when i shot down 5 of my opponent´s artillery units, 100% I win the battle! (3 battles, 3 victories) It could be possible by healing artillery unit with Medics card!
In those battles, when i shot down 4 of my opponent´sartillery units, 92,4% I win the battle! (79 battles, 73 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 3 of my opponent´s artillery units, 84,48% I win the battle! (116 battles, 98 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 2 of my opponent´s artillery units, 83,16% I win the battle! (297 battles, 247 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 1 of my opponent´s artillery units, 60,78% I win the battle! (153 battles, 93 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 0 of my opponent´s artillery units, 70,63% I win the battle! (252 battles, 178 victories)

These last two statistical results looks very strange if we compare them. How can i be more succesful, when i shoot less dice roll hit against artillery? I think the answer is, that if you are not focusing on artillery to much, you will not waste a lot of dice rolls on chasing artillery medals, and you can focus on infantry or armor units. This can be more profitable.
My Allied results against opponent´s axis (german) artillery:
When I shot down 1 or less of opponent´s german artillery units, i won 67,87% of these battles! (277 battles and 188 victories)
When I shot down 2 or more of my opponent´s german artillery units, i won 79,88% of these battles! (179 battles and 143 victories)
My Axis results against opponent´s allied (russian) artillery:
When I shot down 1 or less of opponent´s russian artillery units, they won 64,84% of these battles! (128 battles and 83 victories)
When I shot down 2 or more of my opponent´s russian artillery units, they won 87,97% of these battles! (316 battles and 278 victories)

to be continued...

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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Tue, 17 September 2013 11:18
More stats:

Against Allied Armors (starting with 6 russian tanks):
In those battles, when i shot down 9 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 100% I win the battle! (2 battles, 2 victories) It could be possible by healing armor unit with Medics card!
In those battles, when i shot down 8 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 100% I win the battle! (7 battles, 7 victories) It could be possible by healing armor unit with Medics card!
In those battles, when i shot down 7 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 85,71% I win the battle! (14 battles, 12 victories) It could be possible by healing armor unit with Medics card!
In those battles, when i shot down 6 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 83,62% I win the battle! (342 battles, 286 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 5 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 66,67% I win the battle! (27 battles, 18 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 4 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 44,44% I win the battle! (18 battles, 8 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 3 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 90% I win the battle! (30 battles, 27 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 2 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 0% I win the battle! (1 battle, 0 victory)
In those battles, when i shot down 1 of my Allied opponent’s armor (russian tank) units, 33,33% I win the battle! (3 battles, 1 victory)

When i played with Axis forces (german) and i rolled at least 18 dice against russian tanks, i won the 75,9% of these battles! (212 battles, 161 victories)
When I rolled less than 18 dice against russian tanks, i won the 86 % of these battles! (232 battles, 200 victories)

Against Axis Armors (starting with 13 german tanks):
In those battles, when i shot down 15 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 100% I win the battle! (2 battles, 2 victories) It could be possible by healing armor unit with Medics card!
In those battles, when i shot down 14 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 100% I win the battle! (1 battle, 1 victory) It could be possible by healing armor unit with Medics card!
In those battles, when i shot down 13 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 85,71% I win the battle! (21 battles, 18 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 12 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 70% I win the battle! (20 battles, 14 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 11 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 74,07% I win the battle! (27 battles, 20 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 10 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 70,45% I win the battle! (44 battles, 31 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 9 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 66% I win the battle! (50 battles, 33 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 8 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 73,01% I win the battle! (63 battles, 46 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 7 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 76,19% I win the battle! (63 battles, 48 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 6 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 72,58% I win the battle! (62 battles, 45 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 5 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 58,62% I win the battle! (29 battles, 17 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 4 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 68,75% I win the battle! (32 battles, 22 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 3 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 79,16% I win the battle! (24 battles, 19 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 2 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 88,88% I win the battle! (9 battles, 8 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 1 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 60% I win the battle! (5 battles, 3 victories)
In those battles, when i shot down 0 of my Axis opponent’s armor (german tank) units, 100% I win the battle! (4 battles, 4 victories)
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Tue, 17 September 2013 11:19
More and more:

When i played with Allied forces (russian) and i rolled at least 39 dice against german tanks, i won the 77,27% of these battles! (22 battles, 17 victories)
When I rolled less than 39 dice against german tanks, i won the 72,35% of these battles! (434 battles, 314 victories)
When I rolled 20 or less hits against infantry units, i won the 65,1 % of these battles! (341 battles, 222 victories)
When I rolled at least 21 hits against infantry units, i won the 84,07 % of these battles! (559 battles, 470 victories)
When my opponent rolled 20 or less hits against infantry units, he won the 8,84 % of these battles! (543 battles, 48 victories)
When my opponent rolled at least 21 hits against infantry units, he won the 44,25 % of these battles! (357 battles, 158 victories)
This shows me, that good defense tactics with injured units are very profitable! So don’t forget to bring back boys! J

My opponent’s results against my allied (russian tanks):
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 9 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 100% he won the battle! (2 battles, 2 victories)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 8 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 25% he won the battle! (4 battles, 1 victory)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 7 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 38,46% he won the battle! (13 battles, 5 victories)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 6 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 35,64% he won the battle! (303 battles, 108 victories)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 5 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 13,63% he won the battle! (44 battles, 6 victories)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 4 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 0% he won the battle! (36 battles, 0 victories)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 3 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 2,5% he won the battle! (40 battles, 1 victory)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 2 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 0% he won the battle! (8 battles, 0 victories)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 1 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 0% he won the battle! (4 battles, 0 victories)
In those battles, when my axis opponent shot down 0 of my allied armor (russian tank) units, 0% he won the battle! (2 battles, 0 victories)

Interesting stats:
If my Axis opponent shot down 5 or less of my russian armor units, 5,22% he won of these battles! (134 battles and 7 victories)
If my Axis opponent shot down 6 or more of my russian armor units, 36,02% he won of these battles! (322 battles and 116 victories)

My opponent’s results against my axis (german tanks):
If my Allied opponent shot down 10 or less of my german armor units, 16,57% he won of these battles! (362 battles and 60 victories)
If my Allied opponent shot down 11 or more of my german armor units, 28,04% he won of these battles! (82 battles and 23 victories)

If my Axis opponent shot down at least 2 russian artillery units and at least 6 armor units, they won 60,74% of these battles! (135 battles, 82 victories)
If my Allied opponent shot down at least 2 german artillery units and at least 6 armor units, they won 33,75% of these battles! (80 battles, 27 victories)
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Tue, 17 September 2013 11:21
Personal records -maximum hits and total dice rolls against all unit types:

Total dice rolls:
My personal record, when i shot 93 dice rolls (2 times) to hit 33 and 35 infantry units! (33-37 % hit rate)
My personal record, when i shot 66 dice rolls to hit 13 armor units! (19,7% hit rate)
My personal record, when i shot 30 dice rolls and 4 hits (13,33%)
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My opponent’s record against infantry: 81 dice rolls 34 hits (41,98%)
My opponent’s record against armor: 46 dice rolls 9 hits (19,57%)
My opponent’s record against artillery: 34 dice rolls 2 hits (5,88%)
Maximum hits:
My opponent’s record against infantry: 70 dice rolls - 39 hits (55,71%)
My opponent’s record against armor: 14 hits (5 times 33-53%)
My opponent’s record against artillery: 4 hits (25 times 25-80%)
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My best result against infantry: 89 dice rolls 36 hits (40,45%)
My best result against armor: 15 hits (2 times 31-35%)
My best result against artillery: 5 hits (3 times 29-38%)


Victory rate against opponents with different officer ranks:

Cadet: 58/45 (77,58%) (including solo games, and those games when enemy quit and Johnny (AI) finished the battle
2nd LT: 17/16 (94,1%)
1st LT: 145/121 (83,44%)
Captain: 46/40 (86,95%)
Major: 293/226 (77,13%)
LT Colonel: 183/138 (75,41%)
Colonel:120/84 (70%)
Brigadier: 38/22 (57,89%)
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/officer/

Distribution of dice figures:
When i rolled at least 15 grenade figures (86 total dice rolls needed for this in average), I win 86,9 % of these battles. (252 battles, 219 victories)
When my opponent rolled at least 15 grenade figures (80 total dice rolls needed for this in average), they win 54,24 % of these battles. (153 battles, 83 victories)
When i rolled at least 15 flag figures (88 total dice rolls needed for this in average), I win 77,5 % of these battles. (258 battles, 200 victories)
When my opponent rolled at least 15 flag figures (81 total dice rolls needed for this in average), they win 39,7 % of these battles. (136 battles, 54 victories)
When i rolled at least 15 star figures (89 total dice rolls needed for this in average), I win 78,6 % of these battles. (239 battles, 188 victories)
When my opponent rolled at least 15 star figures (81 total dice rolls needed for this in average), they win 37,1 % of these battles. (124 battles, 46 victories)
When i rolled at least 15 tank figures (89 total dice rolls needed for this in average), I win 80,4 % of these battles. (240 battles, 193 victories)
When my opponent rolled at least 15 tank figures (79 total dice rolls needed for this in average), they win 33,3 % of these battles. (135 battles, 45 victories)
When i rolled at least 30 infantry figures (92 total dice rolls needed for this in average), I win 85,9 % of these battles. (199 battles, 171 victories)
When my opponent rolled at least 30 infantry figures (88 total dice rolls needed for this in average), they win 56,4 % of these battles. (94 battles, 53 victories)


I hope you will find it useful.
Please let me know, if you have any questions about the stats, or RBF, or M44.

Good luck!
Bye!
HamonSerrano
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Wed, 18 September 2013 07:27
HamonSerrano wrote on Tue, 17 September 2013 11:21


Victory rate against opponents with different officer ranks:

Cadet: 58/45 (77,58%) (including solo games, and those games when enemy quit and Johnny (AI) finished the battle
2nd LT: 17/16 (94,1%)
1st LT: 145/121 (83,44%)
Captain: 46/40 (86,95%)
Major: 293/226 (77,13%)
LT Colonel: 183/138 (75,41%)
Colonel:120/84 (70%)
Brigadier: 38/22 (57,89%)
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/officer/

HamonSerrano


It seems rank does count for something. Smile
      
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Re:RBF: Red Barricades Factory Wed, 18 September 2013 11:48
Experience helps a lot Smile
You have better chance to beat luck if you know the game, and you already have hundreds of battles behind you.
      
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