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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sun, 02 February 2014 18:53
So Altautre will join the team - right?

We need to know, before we send in our line up.
Can you please make the respective update to G7 then.

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sun, 02 February 2014 19:09
Well you guys can sign up Alautre.

I don't hear anything from others. Too bad if we don't have an 12th team, but so be it.
      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sun, 02 February 2014 20:42
Onyx, can you please add Alautre to our team and make us G7.

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Mon, 03 February 2014 14:48
At this time, the dealine is past. I had perceived ratings from team captain/representative of all teams except AN2
And I looked at if their vote would make any difference for any team, and it would not change a team from the division they would be assigned. (#4,5 or #6,7 may switch, but they would still be in the same divisions).

Similarly if I elimated the scores of any team's highest votes (since some put themselves a lot higher any of the others), and that also did not make any change in division assignments

Sysyphus should be putting in the list tonight.

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Tue, 04 February 2014 08:16
Didn't see the 21:00 CET deadline. Sent rankings anyways.

      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Thu, 06 February 2014 03:21
RANKING TOTALS

I was asked to list the ranking totals. I do so in 2 ways:
Listing of vote I used with teams at point when needed to be published.

GANG  14
G7    20
BTB   25
LOL   50
PPB   51
AN2   58
GP    64
CF    75
NG    81
AWT   85
XO    87 

2nd list uses all teams vote (including that which I got late and team's own vote)
GANG  17
G7    24
BTB   31 
PPB   59
LOL   63
AN2   68
GP    78
CF    87
NG    88
AWT  102
XO   105

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 04:57
AN2 Drake wrote on Wed, 22 January 2014 05:49


*Adding Tigger12 (real life friend) in case we run into a problem scheduling TAG. They know TTR, just don't play online. Most likely will not play at all (they can also voice chat via skype with a TD before a match if someone really wants to verify they are not just a second account).


So, you've already run into a scheduling problem ?

And you found nobody in the community that would play TAG with you at all other than a friend who has not played online in 3 years ?
Coming from someone that claims that TAG should be played only by one person, I hope you'd understand that it could raise some questions...
Especially when last year we heard a complaint about "TAG is meant for experts", why would you use a random guy ?

If Tigger12 happens to play, I hope we are gonna see a game which reflects the level of Tigger12, and not the level of DrakeStorm.

I see coming the answer : "this is like you playing with ommie or like U31/U32".
Answer is no, it is not. Ommie and U32 are established multi-players, and there's communication influencing the partner's game both ways.
When I watch Knock play TAG with pomme verte, I don't see Knock pulling all the strings of the game...

      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 10:12
I added them before the deadline. Told Onyx about it.

And yes I'm going to tell them what to do, no different than if I played with gnirlum who has no multi-experience. If you have any experience with "co-op" boardgames like Pandemic, Lord of the Rings, Shadows Over Camelot, etc.. this is how it pretty much works - the alpha player coordinates/determines basically everything.

And like I said, if a TD wants to speak to them via skype before the match, I am fine with that.

And I did find someone for TAG - Vballman, but if other teams are going to be strict about scheduling and not allow for a possible substitution if things don't work out, then I am forced to play with someone I know I won't have scheduling problem with.

I suggested an alternative to scheduling TAG after last year, but there were no changes for this year so I am just going by the rules.



      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 15:23
Well,

You are miles away from the spirit of the Fusion, which I am sure you don't care much about.

1) You bring up your NC Team (good to involve Tin and gnirlum, but still...)

2) We play a Team event and XO will face 3 times Drake. DOes it look like a team event ? Looks like Drake and Co.

3) You added Tigger12 after the final list of participant was published with a single note to make sure that nobody would notice.
If G7 was trying to add players, they were doing it at least in the open.

4) Your scheduling issues from League have already disappeared since you'll be able to schedule twice a week for Fusion, including TAG. Not to mention that last year, your Team was the only one having recurring issues to schedule TAG. The problem is not the format, is not the Europeans... The problem is Drake.

5) Anytime you make a rule change, it is to serve your own interest and that sucks !

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 15:28
Why does TD Onyx allow a player registered in 2008, zero games played in 6 years, from Canada Edmonton, to join a Fusion Cup team, that's already just an NC team ?

OK, seems its Tigger12, registered in 2011:
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/gamehistory/?playerid=721895& amp; amp;game=TT&year=2011&noaborted=true
14 wins 2 losses on an AAT selection of maps.

Seems there was also a Tigger4SC in 2006:
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=58218#msg_58218

Why do I even need to write about this, Drake, Tinman, gnirlum, Vballman, onyx ?

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 20:52
BTB Sysyphus wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 06:23

Well,

You are miles away from the spirit of the Fusion, which I am sure you don't care much about.

1) You bring up your NC Team (good to involve Tin and gnirlum, but still...)


Yes I got 2 players that didn't play last year.

How many new players are on your team? Do you want more teams or less?

If the spirit is to play with people you haven't played with before - then you fail as much as I do. Make a rule that only 2 players from a previous year can play on same team, then you would get players playing with new people.

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2) We play a Team event and XO will face 3 times Drake. DOes it look like a team event ? Looks like Drake and Co.



I didn't make the rule that a player could play in the single event and in TAG. If you didn't want this, then you shouldn't have made this rule. Don't blame me.

And for the record, I do NOT want to play with my roommate in TAG, BUT if there is no leniency in scheduling as was apparent last year, then I am forced to come up with a solution.

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3) You added Tigger12 after the final list of participant was published with a single note to make sure that nobody would notice.
If G7 was trying to add players, they were doing it at least in the open.


I added it after talking with Onyx about it, before the deadline. I didn't do it so nobody would notice.

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4) Your scheduling issues from League have already disappeared since you'll be able to schedule twice a week for Fusion, including TAG. Not to mention that last year, your Team was the only one having recurring issues to schedule TAG. The problem is not the format, is not the Europeans... The problem is Drake.


I can usually schedule 2 matches a week. I actually have to plan ahead and clear my schedule for those 2 days. I can't just get home from work and decide, hey I want to play.

So everytime someone doesn't show up or reschedules that's a wasted day I could have played. Grober Hase didn't show up one day for FUN = that was a day I could have done a league match. Val didn't show up for Multi = another day I could have played a league match. Enix shows up and reschedules = another day I could have played league. So if all this doesn't happen, I could have played League and not dropped out. The problem is that it happens alot, and I can't double book because what happens if both opponents show up - I cancel one? That is just rude.

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5) Anytime you make a rule change, it is to serve your own interest and that sucks !


I make rules "suggestions" to solve problems from previous events. I am not the TD for any event, I haven't changed any rules for my benefit.

I would like rules to benefit American players so it evens the playing field a bit, but that hasn't happened. And to say the problem is me is just naive. The tournament system is set up to accomadate Europeans which is fine since that is most of the players. The only tournament American players around, are those that can fit into this system, so of course there aren't alot of scheduling issues with these players.
      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 21:20
AN2 Drake wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 20:52



I would like rules to benefit American players so it evens the playing field a bit, but that hasn't happened.


Rules should benefit the majority or no-one.

You don't sign up with your second ot third account.

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 22:42
GANG_Truckerteller wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 12:20

AN2 Drake wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 20:52



I would like rules to benefit American players so it evens the playing field a bit, but that hasn't happened.




And by benefit I didn't mean like American players should get an extra 3 points each game or always be start player.. I am merely talking about the time zone issue.

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Rules should benefit the majority or no-one.



Said from someone who is in the majority.

Guess we shouldn't have handicapped parking spaces, wonderful!

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You don't sign up with your second ot third account.



Don't make this about multiple accounts. My roommate could have easily made a new account yesterday and still signed up. The account doesn't matter. You would have the same issue, just come at it from a different angle.

Sysy, and maybe you, have this idealized vision of what TAG is. If you are allowed and encouraged to talk with your partner, use skype, and screen share, or be in the same household, then I don't see the difference.

And again for the record, I would rather play with Vball,Tinman,Gnirlum but you and the rules police won't allow any flexibility.

Examples:
1.) If TAG opponents are more than a certain number of time zones apart (say 5), they get extra time to schedule.

2.) Only put 1 player in for the TAG lineup, then once opponents try to schedule the match, they bring in their partner based on that discussion.

As for the "rules committee" - I was kicked out for merely dropping out of league - which just shows you have no real intention of representing all facets of the TTR community, just European TOPs. If it weren't for Qorlas the whole thing would be a joke. And even his ideas get squashed to the point he almost quit.








      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 22:55
GANG_Truckerteller wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 06:28

Why does TD Onyx allow a player registered in 2008, zero games played in 6 years, from Canada Edmonton, to join a Fusion Cup team, that's already just an NC team ?

OK, seems its Tigger12, registered in 2011:
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/gamehistory/?playerid=721895& amp; amp; amp;game=TT&year=2011&noaborted=true
14 wins 2 losses on an AAT selection of maps.

Seems there was also a Tigger4SC in 2006:
http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=58218#msg_58218

Why do I even need to write about this, Drake, Tinman, gnirlum, Vballman, onyx ?




Its a little insulting that you are suggesting I am trying to cheat. I have played in almost every tournament in the past 7 years. I have multiple accounts and I have never played in a tournament under a different account than this one. This is no exception.

You can say I am using a loophole in the rules (which I freely admit) and you don't like it, but this isn't NC, and you aren't the TD. If Onyx wants to discuss it with me he can, and we can come up with a solution.

      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 23:27
Ok folks,

This has, in my opinion, gone far enough.

I know, I could NOT read it. But, it's too much like the train wreck you can't turn away from.

As someone who is not directly involved in this conflict here's what I see that bothers me.

1. This went public when it could have gone through the initial phases privately and with less bad feeling. I understand that some feel it is important to give full disclosure. Well, I agree - but you can try to work on a compromise or deal with the issue first and then report the results. Or, failing compromise, you bring it to the community and ask for opinions/thoughts.

2. Do you all realize the terrible position you put onyx into here? He's one of the good guys in this community who volunteers time to do what he can to make this interesting and fun. At the best, you make him look ineffective and disinterested. The likely reality is that he hasn't been online to even know there is a problem/discussion yet.
And, this is made worse because some of the other 'good guys/gals' of the community are the ones sticking it to him - whether they mean to or not.

There's more. But, it probably isn't worth my time to put it here. Just contribute to the train wreck that I likely have done nothing to stop. This partly true because I don't know all of the background that led to this point - nor do I want to know.

I have no idea why I waste my time editing and writing diplomatic posts. Some deep seated need to make a difference or some such silliness. It is badly placed and I'll work to fix it one of these days.

Rob
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 23:45
Yes, you play the system.
Whoever played the system has ruined tournaments, and also because sometimes TD did not know how to answer, or would just let them do their crap without intervening.

About bringing new players, you had 2 TAG teams available (Pello/Loca + U31/U32 that I suggested to you) and you ignored them too.
You want to play with Brad ? Alright, but we all know that he's a super busy person. Nobody has had issues scheduling TAG last year but Gurus ! More playing time does not solve the problem.
You can use the Safe Exit rule to plan ahead of time your TAG match. If you send me a pm right away, I'd be happy to find a solution ahead of time for our TAG Match.
In the case of first round, you assumed ahead of time that you'd have schedule problems or, more likely, you did not bother to think about it...

If I fail to bring new players (and not only in my teams), please look at the turnouts of all the tourneys since 2011...
If some ideas get squashed, it's for a reason. My ideas are as often squashed as some others.

Bringing the American/European issues again. I played multi tourney with Americans (and you played with Europeans, right ?) : I've never faced that many ridiculous issues to schedule.
If Americans are not as many as Europeans = most of them are just not interested in playing tournaments.

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Fri, 07 February 2014 23:54
Work on a deal ?
Rob, I often appreciate your contributions.

But when Drake plays as a bot in the last games of MPWC because he's already out of contention, I wish you'd send him a pm to tell him that sucks. When he messes up previous Division B League, I wish you would tell him that it sucks. When he pulls off from League, to then sign up for Fusion, I wish you would send him a pm to tell him that sucks.
And to play as a single person, or with his monkey in the shoulder, I think that it sucks !

I've spent a lot of time chatting with Drake about tournaments, most often those moments were pretty agreeable, but I know what he thinks about Fusion and TAG.
If you're OK to let him play TAG as a single person and AAT, then good for you.

You were also involved in an issue with Guru last year for Fusion, did you remember the mess it was for one Tag Match ?

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 00:16
agreed with Rob. Best to take it offline and/or complain to the TD directly.

BTB Sysyphus wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 22:54


If you're OK to let him play TAG as a single person and AAT, then good for you.


As the captain of the first team who plays ATN, we might not like the TAG solution, but we agree that it is in the rules to which we signed up to and will not complain about it. I think many TAG teams have some imbalance, but I also believe that two know more than one Wink

If you don't like the rules propose new ones next year.

best, Ishamael
      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 00:28
I suspect Drake already knows those actions suck.

Apparently, he's happiest when we are all unhappy.

Drake, you suck. Now stop it.

Rob
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 00:30
GANG_Truckerteller wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 20:20

AN2 Drake wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 20:52



I would like rules to benefit American players so it evens the playing field a bit, but that hasn't happened.


Rules should benefit the majority or no-one.




One should at least be a little careful with "rules for the majority", e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_rule
      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 00:33
Thanks Rob Smile

XO Ishamael wrote on Sat, 08 February 2014 00:16


If you don't like the rules propose new ones next year.

best, Ishamael


The rules have been the same and fine for 8 years, and they are not the pb. We do not need new rules.
We've had players playing the system in the past invoking, like you do, that the rules are not precise enough.

Rules can not cover any case, Td deals with them.

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 00:47

1)
Dropping out of a tournament (for no other reason than having spare time for another tournament) sucks.
Doing that when you were one of the organizers is a nogo.
What credibility would you attest to a panel, where the members themselves drop out as they see fit?
Drake, you were not kicked out, you kicked yourself out.

2)
It's not against the rules to play TAG with basically yourself. Whether you handle the second keyboard yourself or ask somebody else to act at your command doesn't matter indeed. Neither does it matter whether you use a 2nd account of your's (or give it to your "secretary") or create a new one.
But why not fully disclose that initially?
Tell us "I use my 2nd account alone /gave it to a friend who will act as I say to play TAG as I believe it is played best. This account will only be used for TAG games with me".
In that case, all would have been fine, because it would have been straight ... at least for a "normal tournament participant".
It would still be against the spirit, which leads us back to 1)

      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 00:56
BTB Sysyphus wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 14:54



But when Drake plays as a bot in the last games of MPWC because he's already out of contention, I wish you'd send him a pm to tell him that sucks. When he messes up previous Division B League, I wish you would tell him that it sucks. When he pulls off from League, to then sign up for Fusion, I wish you would send him a pm to tell him that sucks.


Are you serious? In 2011, I missed 1 day of matches in MPWC. And you really think King-makering is better than botting anyway? Last season League, I would have finished all my matches if I just had an extra day or 2 (I messed up my match with dea, I admit that). Why should I get extra time, I probably shouldn't, but you make it seem like I messed up the league on purpose. It was going along just like every other league with matches waiting till the last minute. In previous leagues I was able to play 2 even 3 matches in a day, this time it didn't work out. And current league, I dropped out before playing any matches so as not to mess anything up. I signed on before all the rules and schedules were posted. After I looked it all over, I realized I didn't have the time to do it. How does that suck?

What sucks is forcing the TD to have only 1 division B when they wanted 2. What sucks is using match telo when TD wanted to use game Telo. What sucks is trying to get anything done that the power few don't agree with.

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And to play as a single person, or with his monkey in the shoulder, I think that it sucks !



At least I am not hiding it, someone could be playing 4 accounts and playing every match. I have no idea. I have no idea what people are doing when they play TAG. Yes, I think TAG should be a single person event. Why? To avoid this exact problem. I am showing that the issue exist out in the open, if you don't like it, come up with a solution, otherwise someone is going to do the exact same thing, but without anyone knowing.

And for the record, I have never even played TAG, so it will be like 2 monkeys playing!

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You were also involved in an issue with Guru last year for Fusion, did you remember the mess it was for one Tag Match ?


Yes, it was all because certain people wouldn't be flexible. Wouldn't grant a simple favor. GANG just HAD to win that match no matter what.

Its always about the "community" in the forums, etc, but when it comes down to it, its always about winning. I want to win NC, I will leave American team and go play for French Team again. I want to win Fusion, I won't let GURU correct a mistake.

I don't care if you come on the forum and bash me eventhough most of it could have been in a PM like GFF said. Make me look like the trouble maker if you want, but its not true.
      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 01:31
You had a pm early this morning... you did not bother either to answer.

What I want to underline is that you've always played the system.

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Its always about the "community" in the forums, etc, but when it comes down to it, its always about winning. I want to win NC, I will leave American team and go play for French Team again. I want to win Fusion, I won't let GURU correct a mistake.

I don't care if you come on the forum and bash me eventhough most of it could have been in a PM like GFF said. Make me look like the trouble maker if you want, but its not true.

I have no problem discussing everything in the open, a discussion is a discussion, no hard feelings.
But then bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the discussion is just out of line.

About winning ?
Why did I leave Red TGV in the first place ? To play with Drake and win NC ? Right.
After 3 NCs on the French side and 2 others on the US side, I can tell it's much more funner (for me) on the French side. Not that it's not fun at all on the American side, it's just different.
Maybe you left AMD, onyx and ommie, and become a Ninja because they were too competitive, you needed to play for fun ?

Our line with Sven is no BS in tournament. I think we have the legitimacy to say that this is BS...
And again,
If other players, like you, think that Truck, I and dea do a bad job, please let us know... No hard feelings...

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 02:27
AN2 issues

First, let me state to the community as a whole: Sorry I was away for the last week on vacation. The place I went did not have internet access, except for paying $6.95 per day, SO I was unavailable to do FORUM work. When I got on, I did what I could within 1/2 hour of time.

Second, in regards to the AN2, Drake came to me prior to completion date for teams asking to add his roommate, (who has played as tigger12)

here are records of conversations with Drake:
January 21:
[1/21/2014 10:58:53 PM] Onyxdale Reese: is your team complete?
[1/21/2014 11:00:26 PM] Drake Storm: yes
[1/21/2014 11:00:35 PM] Onyxdale Reese: LOL has 5 of our 6 we want to have number-wise
[1/21/2014 11:00:46 PM] Onyxdale Reese: u have 6?
[1/21/2014 11:00:52 PM] Drake Storm: 4
[1/21/2014 11:01:00 PM] Onyxdale Reese: wow, that is tight
[1/21/2014 11:01:18 PM] Drake Storm: only 3 matches plus TAG
[1/21/2014 11:02:26 PM] Drake Storm: I am probably dropping out of League so I will have time to do AAT and TAG


January 31
[1/31/2014 4:59:38 PM] Drake Storm: just further up in the post, didnt see the last one you did
[1/31/2014 4:59:57 PM] Drake Storm: I hope having only 4 players doesn't come back to haunt us..lol
[1/31/2014 5:00:19 PM] Onyxdale Reese: can still add one if you want.
[1/31/2014 5:00:41 PM] Drake Storm: some of the people I was thinking about already joined other teams.
[1/31/2014 5:01:25 PM] Drake Storm: I was going to just add my roommate in case I ran into trouble with TAG scheduling, but I am sure everyone would be up in arms if a non-regular TTR player was included.

THEN after more discussion about potential players, basically I allowed Drake to put his roommate on that team. I urged him to use known players when possible though.

My one surprise in all this was he added the name to the team not by putting in a new thread note, but by adding it up above. Wish it had been a new thread note, then this may not have caught so many of you by surprise.


SO FOLKS, UNDERSTAND, AN2 has 5 players on it, with an understanding that tigger12 would be playing TAG if needed. (MY thought of the spirit of the TAG team was assuming gnirlum, Tinman & vballman20 were not available due to scheduling concerns.)


ALSO UNDERSTAND, if people/teams need to substitute a TAG player due to schedule conflicts, I will indeed be lenient in allowing it as long as we are kept informed.


FINALLY: I do hope people recognize there is difficulty in scheduling for Americans (US & Canada) in all types of tournaments. It is a reality we speak about and complain about and lose participation of American players due to schedule factors. (our work schedules folks, most Europeans I know do not seem to take their work time off like many US players have to do.)


      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 02:46
GANG_dea1 wrote on Fri, 07 February 2014 15:47


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Dropping out of a tournament (for no other reason than having spare time for another tournament) sucks.


This makes no sense. So if the tournament registrations were reversed and then I dropped out of League it would be ok? Onyx dropped out without a problem, its just me that gets flack.

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Doing that when you were one of the organizers is a nogo.
What credibility would you attest to a panel, where the members themselves drop out as they see fit?

I was under the impression the committe was for all tournaments, not just league. Are you saying that to be on the committee you have to play in ALL tournaments. Again makes no sense. I didn't drop out mid season after losing a bunch of matches. And as far as I can tell the original intention was for Divisions to be 16 people, so I was under the impression it wouldn't be a big deal. Apparently I was wrong.

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Drake, you were not kicked out, you kicked yourself out.



No, Sysy kicked me out of Skype channel. I didn't do anything.

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It's not against the rules to play TAG with basically yourself. Whether you handle the second keyboard yourself or ask somebody else to act at your command doesn't matter indeed. Neither does it matter whether you use a 2nd account of your's (or give it to your "secretary") or create a new one.
But why not fully disclose that initially?


I did to Onyx via skype/PM, and posted. Sorry I didn't make a new post and just editted my first one.

      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 03:04
AN2 Drake wrote on Sat, 08 February 2014 02:46


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Drake, you were not kicked out, you kicked yourself out.



No, Sysy kicked me out of Skype channel. I didn't do anything.



You were kicked temporarily so that Qorlas can discuss about what to do about you withdrawing from League.
You've been back in the discussion after you made official that you would not play League... But the discussion has not been active over the last week at all.

Nemo judex in parte sua... You were just not fit to comment on what should have happened when you pulled yourself out of League.
I've already explained it to you in the lobby...

I have to say, that if those are the behaviors that you decide promote in tournaments, then I don't want to be associated with them.

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 04:01
Getting Back to Fusion:

1.) I was told the hardest member to find is an AAT specialist.

19 Different People have played in the AAT tournament the last 2 years. All 19 are playing in Fusion.

Why are there not more than 11 teams (10 if I wouldn't have tried to form a team).

4 are on GANG
3 are on BTB

The people complaining about me. What teams are they on.


2.) I think the goal was to make Fusion a bigger/major event.

There are 64 players (down from 68 last year).

There are 13 new players that didn't play last year.

What teams are they on?

AWT = 5
PPB = 3
LOL = 2
AN2 = 2
G7 = 1

The people complaining about me. Are they on one of these teams?

3.) "We offer the following guideline (not a rule) "Our desire to have diverse teams, hoping for people playing together who did not play on the same Nations Cup team."

Why didn't you make it a rule? It would have taken 1 extra phrase to say something like "no more than 2 players from the same NC team can be on a Fusion team". Its not like you were changing an old rule (since most people don't like change). This was a new tournament with a completely new rule set. I am sure there was discussion about it.



      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 06:18
I have run out of ammo. I call a truce!

Its all because Obama made me buy health insurance. And foreigners are taking away my dream job of teaching young impressionable kids.

I'm not sure my roommate even wants to play with me. He is still upset that I didn't use his suggestion to call my NC team American Choo Choo!

He wanted to hear me say "You French/German Fools just got schooled by American Choo Choo!" Yes, he is a dork.

      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 07:29
AN2 Drake wrote on Sat, 08 February 2014 04:01

Getting Back to Fusion:
1.) I was told the hardest member to find is an AAT specialist.
19 Different People have played in the AAT tournament the last 2 years. All 19 are playing in Fusion.

Why are there not more than 11 teams (10 if I wouldn't have tried to form a team).

4 are on GANG
3 are on BTB

The people complaining about me. What teams are they on.



To readers : Even if it looks super harsh from outside, this is still very cordial on Skype. Heated discussions between adults does not mean full war...

Well, we gave a try. I'd acknowledge that Fusion has not given the boost to alternative maps I was/we were hoping for.

It has not offered the mix of people that the original rules were hoping for. Not a rule ? I guess we were realistic : instead of 12/11 teams, we would end up with 8/9 teams.

I can not buy all the maps for everybody either. I can not force someone to play AAT...
I have ommie play AAT this year... Elka, Val and I were all teammates in CL. I sponsored Cromze in Europe and TAG...
I help to put a few teams together last year, and this year. I suggested a few names to Morientes and he teams up with scorps, same to Knock for his TAG team, same to LOL with Goupil...
Everybody in BTB plays 3 or 4 different events.

And now I should be the one that has to put teams together to have more teams ?
If you had helped other teams as much as I did, we could have had 12/13 teams !

I have always supported the idea a team tournament with a full draft session (including when designing Fusion rules but that's part of a compromise with dea, Qorlas and onyx) and I would not be one having a problem with playing with different teammates (provided they would not embarass me during the tournament). But I'm not sure that it'd make that tournament way more successful turnoutwise.

Format like Fusion are not meant to last anyway. FED Cup lasted 3/4 years, CL 3 years. Fusion won't last much more longer but still does OK this year.
I think the turnout is still good if you compare to any FED/Feud or CL, especially that we did not any special advertising this year.



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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 11:49
I know you put effort into getting teams together, just like getting tops to play in the New League.

But if AAT is really the choke point, rather than see the demise of Fusion, I think next year maybe switch AAT with a FUN match. More people signed up for FUN and no one has to buy new maps. Would just need to come up with a 6th format so the match is 6 games long. Switching it to Swiss/Asia probably doesn't help, anyone who has those maps probably has all of them.



      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 18:11
Just our two cents about this issue, as JenAck and me are the first TAG opps of AN2:

As our capo Ishamael wrote before XO is okay with playing a Drake/Drakebot TAG variant - by the way JenAck and me think four eyes see more than two and therefore playing TAG alone is not an advantage at all, but that's only our opinion, maybe Drake can prove us wrong.

Nevertheless a fast and simple "YES, he can play this way" or "NO, he shouldn't play this way" would be the best solution for all players involved as scheduling won't be easier at the end of the week.

PS: If the TD says YES/NO this issue should be solved for this year's tournament and discussions about it should be continued at the earliest after final weeks for next year's rules - no one needs the same problem each and every round again.
      
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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 21:06
XO-DN wrote on Sat, 08 February 2014 12:11

Just our two cents about this issue, as JenAck and me are the first TAG opps of AN2:

As our capo Ishamael wrote before XO is okay with playing a Drake/Drakebot TAG variant - by the way JenAck and me think four eyes see more than two and therefore playing TAG alone is not an advantage at all, but that's only our opinion, maybe Drake can prove us wrong.

Nevertheless a fast and simple "YES, he can play this way" or "NO, he shouldn't play this way" would be the best solution for all players involved as scheduling won't be easier at the end of the week.

PS: If the TD says YES/NO this issue should be solved for this year's tournament and discussions about it should be continued at the earliest after final weeks for next year's rules - no one needs the same problem each and every round again.


Not sure what you are asking Dom, but my understanding is AN2 is arranging a match with Drake and a partner player, Tigger12, for the TAG match. (Tigger12 is indeed a player of TTR, who happens to also be the housemate with Drake)
It is very possible Drake will play the match with a different teammate from AN2: Vballman20 or Tinman or gnirlum. I would surely have that be allowed since TAG scheduling can be difficult.
Make arrangements with Drake on a time, and if you wish to converse with Tigger12, who is a 2nd person, Tigger12 will be available to speak with via skype when the match begins play.
Drake is not playing the game by himself, contrary to what has been rumored. There is another player named Tigger12.


Let me state now for all future matches (not just ones with AN2), if a sub needs to be used in TAG due to scheduling concerns, keep us (TTR community) informed and may the matches be determined by games played, not 'rulings' that had to be made by the TD.

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Re:Fusion Cup 2014 : registration Sat, 08 February 2014 21:58
@ Onyx

Dom said we are ok if Drake play with Tigger!
      
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