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[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 22 July 2013 19:38
To all personal seeking promotion

The older thread was written with listings stated as "these scenarios do not count for promotion". Since then a lot of new scenarios came out, I rewrote the thread listing the scenarios that do count. My reason being that players new tot the game would be increasingly unaware that there are scenarios now that were not there before. It would be very hard for new players to find out for themselves which scenarios do en don't count.
Also I tried to incorporate all the info we have so far.
Built of course, again, on the intelligence already gathered by those who went before me.

So many thanks for everybody who contributed but two I would like to mention especially: Morgiliath for starting the old thread and Mochihead for the summation of what went before.

Let me start by shamelesly quoting Morgiliath:
Morgiliath wrote on Sun, 01 May 2011 15:36

Hi folks,

below you'll find the requirements for promotion. The list is not approved by DoW and it is based on observation and calculation, but in most cases it's solid.

WARNING - THIS IS A SPOILER. IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELVES (MUCH MORE FUN) DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS LINE.

YES, I MEAN THIS LINE.
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First I would also like to state (again using the words provided by Morgiliath) : below you'll find the requirements for promotion. The list is not approved by DoW and it is based on observation and calculation, but in most cases it's solid.

And I will repeat the spoiler line (seriously if you want to find out for yourself dont read any further. Personally I am mor of a team player on this kind of thing so let's find out what is going on. Smile ) :
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And here is a new start, let the intelligence gathering start!

Dow says:
DOW on officer rank: Second Lieutenant

You've shown your mettle by leading your men to victory at least 3 times, and managing to survive to tell the tale!

This means: you need to win 3 victories against human players


DOW on officer rank: First Lieutenant

Your victories as Allied Commander-in-Chief are becoming well known. Equally important is your newfound knowledge of the enemy's maneuvers.

This means: 5 wins as Axis and 5 as Allies. this includes the victories earned as a cadet, so if you earn victories evenly you can promote on your 10th overall victory


DOW on officer rank: Captain

By now you're beginning to think you've seen it all. Knowledge of the enemy's tactics come close to being second nature for you.
Your superb tactics and growing sense of command have also helped win the day in a battle where many others failed before you.

This means: 8 wins as Axis and 8 as Allies and victory as Axis at Arnhem or as Allies at First Landing. If you already have the required victories before you earn the medal, the promotion occurs at the end of the next match (win or lose). like 1LT, this counts previous victories.


DOW on officer rank: Major

Word at HQ is that you've scored well over a dozen victories against a variety of opponents. This certainly seems to be true, judging from the ribbons and awards you collected!

We think this means: 20 wins after promotion to CPT. unlike the other ranks this doesn't factor in previous victories.

Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 10:57

My own contribution to the Major discussion:
DOW on officer rank: Major

Word at HQ is that you've scored well over a dozen victories against a variety of opponents. This certainly seems to be true, judging from the ribbons and awards you collected!

I promoted to Major on my 20th win after becoming a Captain so that's written in stone I think. Some people were not promoted after their 20th win so I will give some suggestions that aspiring Captains might test:

Dow states: "a dozen victories against a variety of opponents"
I take this to mean:
Play against all ranks below and equal to Captain and win!
If that does not work: play all available ranks
If that does not work: play all available ranks and win!
I don't know if this is a factor but when I was promoted I had played all available ranks and won (at least one).

What's bugging me is: "judging from the ribbons and awards you collected"
I think you would have to have gathered a certain number of Achievements. I cannot help but think they did not put these words in for nothing. Probably most of us have gathered these ribbons and awards in the course of action and did not know that they were good for your Major promotion. Then again I could be totally wrong on this one. Embarassed

For what it's worth: I achieved promotion in a Battle where I won not only my 20th win but also my 15th Achievement.
So if you reached all of the above: 20 wins and the rank stuff and you are still not promoted to Major, try getting those extra achievements.
Those words keep nagging at me in the darker hours of the night. So I now order all Captains with few achievements to first get 20 wins, then play ranks and then get busy stacking up those achievements.



From here on out it gets more vague but here goes:
DOW on officer rank: Lieutenant Colonel

The promotion from Major to Lieutenant-Colonel is one long slog. Those that make it have proven they can best their peers, regardless of the Theater of Operations in which they were posted!

What we know for certain: Only victories gained after your promotion to Major count. You need10 victories as each side (Allies and Axis) in each of the available theatres (Western, Mediterranean, Eastern, Pacific) - that's 80 victories in total.

But they have to be in the following scenarios, that were on-line when the rank got introduced.
The other official scenarios do not count towards this promotion, see them listed in the quote below:

Western
Arnhem Bridge
Arracourt
Counterattack on Mortain
First Assault Wave (Omaha)
Juno Beach
Liberation of Paris
Mont Mouchet
Operation Cobra
Pegasus Bridge
Pointe-du-Hoc
Sainte MèreÉglise
Saverne Gap, Vosges
StVith (Ardennes)
Sword Beach
Twin Villages
Vassieux (Vercors)

Eastern Front
Breakout at Klin
Breakout to Lisyanka
Gates of Moscow
Ponyri
Red Barricades Factory Complex
Suomussalmi

Pacific Theater
Guam Landings (Guam)
Japanese Counterattack (Guam)
Matanikau River (Guadalcanal)
Slopes of Mount Austen (Guadalcanal)
Sugar Loaf and Half Moon
The Meat Grinder (Iwo Jima)
Wake Island

Mediterranean Theater (Discussion about this theatre in the second post )
1 st Armoured to the Rescue
Dug in at Sidi Omar
Escape via the Coastal Road
Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim
Hellfire Pass
Into the Cauldron
Panzers Versus Grants
Sidi Rezegh Airfield

scenarios that do not count listed


Don't count theses maps :

Western
[Normandy]Bretel wood
[Normandy]Vaumicel Manor
Bastogne Corridor east
Bastogne Corridor west
Battle for hill 178
Carentan
Carentan Causeway
Counter attack at Arras
Forêt d'Écouves
Gold Beach
Moyland wood
Operation Goodwood
Opération Spring
Strasbourg
Utah beach

Eastern Front
Battle of Kalatch
Battle of Warsaw
Lipovec
Russian breakout
Rzhev

Pacific Theater
Bloody Ridge
Clearing Matanikau river
Tenaru

Mediterranean Theater
Gallabat & Mettemma
Knightsbridge
Mignano Monte Lungo
Montélimar
Toulon
Tunisia



Speculations:
You need to win a certain number of battles against other Majors (your peers)
Possibly there is also some tally of against how many different ranks you played (and maybe even won?).

Disproved:
You do not need to have played all scenarios from both sides. (there are examples of LTC that have not played all the above.)
You do not need a spread over 5 scenarios or more in all theatres. (I myself only had a 4 spread from three of the 8 sides, and I know of someone who had only three different battles for the ten wins.)



DOW on officer rank: Colonel

Colonels have seen - and won - it all... But the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!

We take this to mean: You need to have won all scenarios from both sides and you need to have played 25 different cadets. All of this after your promotion to Lt Col.

Speculations:
You need to win a specified amount of battles 250 has been suggested but they probably also count expert/SFTF scenarios. Quit2 made it with 237 games since being promoted Lt. Col, but he had also played 13 SFTF scenarios.
This also only in the scenarios that are listed for LTC. (For discussion about this see second post.)
Maybe you need wins against all ranks available.
Some cadets need to promote against you (unlikely but prove it wrong and tell us)
You need a specific number of battles against cadets (unlikely but prove it wrong and tell us)


DOW on officer rank: Brigadier

Brigadier Generals are Experts from all sides.
Brigadier Generals are Experts from all sides.
We take this to mean: Not certain yet but you need to play lots of SFTF battles against humans that’s certain. You only get promoted after playing a regular scenario, so play some of them in between your SFTF ones to see if you are already there.

Speculations:
You also need a certain number of regular battles wins to get promoted to Brigadier.
You need 100 wins in SFTF against humans.
Possibly divided 50 50 over Axis and Allied side.
You need a certain number of expert battles.
And so on.



Anyone who can disprove anything of the above, please do so?

Confirmation is nice too but we are working through this as a process of elimination (pun intended Smile ) after all.

Personally I think there is also some kind of rank counter involved. DOW wants us to play as much as possible and to help newer players. So if you met the requirements mentioned above but are still not promoted, try playing against different ranks. (And be sure to tell us here.)

Any comments and observations are of course welcome.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 22 July 2013 19:45
What I find very strange is that in all the theaters the not counted scenarios were published after the BETA 24 version (10-may-2011).

But for the mediterranean theatre also the first four published scenarios are not counted?

Beta 10 (18 nov. 2010)
Montélimar
Toulon

Beta15 14 jan. 2011
Galabat & Metemma
Tunisia

I recall helping Goekawar getting to Colonel and telling him to win Toulon from one side or get 20 more wins. I don't know which one did it. Hopefully he will read this and tell us. That will give us more info.


But I still find it very strange the first published scenarios in the MED Theatre, do not count towards promotion. Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Tue, 23 July 2013 01:49
To make Colonel, it has been proved that you need to play against 25 different Cadets.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Tue, 23 July 2013 18:57
Sam, I think I said that Wink

Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 22 July 2013 19:38

We take this to mean: You need to have won all scenarios from both sides and you need to have played 25 different cadets. All of this after your promotion to Lt Col

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 26 July 2013 05:05
This is the info I saw from the french forums:

Colonel, , Conditions to meet only when you are lieutenant colonel :
- More 250 battles on officials maps(victory or defeat)

- To play versus about 25 cadets (when you are lieutenant colonel) and about 10 cadet will be promote in future. Impossible to built this condition with your carreer, you must take note.

- Win all maps with 2 nations.

Don't count theses maps :

* Front Ouest : Utah beach - Gold Beach - Carentan causeway - Goodwood - Opération Spring

* Front Est : Rhzev - Battle of Warsaw

* + semble-t-il Knightsbridge, Toulon, Montélimar, Tunisia, Gallabat & Mettemma

* 17 nouveaux scénarios de noêl 2012 : counter attack at Arras, Russian breakout, Lipovec, Battle of Kalatch, Tenaru, Bloody Ridge, Clering Matanikau river, Mignano Monte Lungo, Vaumicel Manor, Carentan, Battle for hill 178, Bretel wood, Eorêt d'Écouves, Bastogne Corridor west, Bastogne Corridor east, Strasbourg, Moyland wood


SO ONLY THESE SCENARIOS WOULD COUNT?

MONT MOUCHET
BREAKOUT at KLIN
SIDI REZEGH AIRFIELD
SLOPES of MT AUSTIN
POINT-Du HOC
SUOMUSSALMI
JAP CA
ARNHEM BRIDGE
GATES of MOSCOW
DUG IN AT SIDI OMAR
SUGARLOAF & HALFMOON
LIBERATION of PARIS
BREAKOUT to LISYANKA
ESCAPE via the COASTAL ROAD
MEAT GRINDER
VASSIEUX
RED BARR FAC.
FLANKING MANUVER At BIR HAKIM
WAKE ISLAND
FIRST ASSAULT WAVE
PONYRI
INTO the CAULDRON
MATANKIAU RIVER
ST VITH
PANZERS vs GRANTS
GUAM LANDINGS
SAVERNE GAP
1st ARMORED to the RESCUE
OP COBRA
HELLFIRE PASS
MORTAIN
ARRACOURT
JUNO BEACH
PEGASUS BRIDGE
SWORD
SAINTE MARE ENGLISH
TWIN VILLAGES
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 26 July 2013 10:41
Yes, tank commander. Your traduction is correct. We think that the scenarios which appears after the promotion don't count for the victory conditions. But they count in number of battles conditions.

I respected these conditions to be promote lieutenant colonel, colonel and general and I have succeed to obtain promotion on the battle that I thought. For example to my 400ème official battle in expert for general promote.

But actually we had problems with Yves le burgond. IHe played lot of matches and he don't promote to general. Is for this reason we think that general condition are not totally right. But for colonel promotion it seems totally okay if you do that you wrote above.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sat, 27 July 2013 16:46
I thought it went without saying that games against Johnny/Hermann don't count toward promotion. Someone I know thought they could beat Hermann at Arnhem bridge to advance (sigh). If you know/meet people asking about promotion, maybe mention that if they don't read the forums.
Exception: someone said that promotion to Brigadier may count SFTF games versus Johnny/Hermann after looking at someone else's record.

Note: promotions are awarded at the end of your next official scenario after you made the requirements (not SFTF). I believe that game then counts toward the next promotion.

There's a minimum number of battles required to advance to some ranks.
Captain
24 battles?

Lt. Colonel
~210 battles.

Colonel
~250 battles since making Lt. Colonel.
There may be a cadet requirement, but I think there's a requirement to battle all ranks through Lt. Colonel on all fronts on both sides? Once you make Lt. Colonel I suggest you start recording your opponent's rank. My opponent before the game I was promoted was a Captain, which I think was required.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 28 July 2013 20:55
JFKoski wrote on Sat, 27 July 2013 15:46


Exception: someone said that promotion to Brigadier may count SFTF games versus Johnny/Hermann after looking at someone else's record.



There are three rankings and records:


SOLO = Official scenarios v the AI

MULTI = Official scenarios v other players

EXPERT = SFTF scenarios


The records do not distinguish between SFTF matches v AI and those v other players

We know that SFTF matches have something to do with Brig promotion


Therefore SFTF matches v the AI should count for Brig

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 28 July 2013 21:50
van Voort écrit le Sun, 28 July 2013 20:55

JFKoski wrote on Sat, 27 July 2013 15:46


Exception: someone said that promotion to Brigadier may count SFTF games versus Johnny/Hermann after looking at someone else's record.



There are three rankings and records:


SOLO = Official scenarios v the AI

MULTI = Official scenarios v other players

EXPERT = SFTF scenarios


The records do not distinguish between SFTF matches v AI and those v other players

We know that SFTF matches have something to do with Brig promotion


Therefore SFTF matches v the AI should count for Brig



When you read the page about officer rank, DOW has written :


The more you play Memoir '44 Online against live opponents (but not Johnny the Computer AI!), the more experience you will gain. Eventually, you will begin to move up the ranks in your career as an army Officer.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 29 July 2013 04:00
Does that text predate the release of the brig promotion?

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 29 July 2013 04:10
I seem to recall one of the relatively early Brigadiers having a ton of Expert games against the bot, and relatively few against humans.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 29 July 2013 08:36
To be brigadier, only about 100 victory and 150 battles in expert mode are enough. After you could play several battles versus AI but I think these battles don't count.
Actually, only the colonel Yves le Burgond don't success to promote brigadier and we don't understand the reason.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 29 July 2013 11:59
JFKoski wrote on Sat, 27 July 2013 10:46



...but I think there's a requirement to battle all ranks through Lt. Colonel on all fronts on both sides?


I know of at least one who made Col who did not do this (only played Cadets in two fronts. He also did not win against all ranks in all fronts, which I think someone else mentioned in an earlier post.

Although playing against all ranks probably has something to do with the Col promo, playing all ranks in all fronts does not look like a requirement. Perhaps your record against all ranks are grouped together from all fronts?
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 29 July 2013 12:08
tank commander écrit le Mon, 29 July 2013 11:59

Perhaps your record against all ranks are grouped together from all fronts?

I'm agree with you
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Tue, 30 July 2013 11:38
sam1812 écrit

I seem to recall one of the relatively early Brigadiers having a ton of Expert games against the bot, and relatively few against humans.

I have 257 expert games, a little bit more than half against the bot, less than half vs real players.

56 victories against real players, 183 victories overall, dispatched (more or less) equally on each front, each side (IIRC, I tried to have at least 10 victories per side & front).
(I did a quick account : my real account may be slightly different)


EDIT : when I was promoted, I had 179 victories SFTF overall, 252 SFTF games, about 925 online non-solo games.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 03 February 2014 01:27
Thanks for your work in this Jeronimon, and all others comrades who have gone before! We're coming through the gap behind you! Oorah! It's amazing to chat with 1st lts during games who have no idea about the arnhem and first assault requirements. I'll direct them here...
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 03 February 2014 10:01
JFKoski wrote on Sat, 27 July 2013 17:46



There's a minimum number of battles required to advance to some ranks.
Captain
24 battles?

Lt. Colonel
~210 battles.

Colonel
~250 battles since making Lt. Colonel.



So, just to clarify...if a Major needs ~210 battle for promotion to Lt.Col., those are total battles since he began his career, right?

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 28 March 2014 09:10
First, I'd just like to say how awesome M'44 is--what a great little game. Genius. And because of that, it does really pains me to write anything negative about the game because it's just so awesome. And doubly painful to post anything negative in this thread because you all are so helpful here. Thanks so much to everyone for gathering all of this very helpful information.

But that said, this list of scenarios that count toward Lt. Col promotion is just silly. What, Guadalcanal scenarios Slopes of Mt Austen and Matanikau River count, but Tenaru, Bloody Ridge, and Clearing Matanikau River don't count? Please, WTF, how really arbitrary and stupid is that. Seriously. My 2 Japanese wins at Tenaru, including an unbelievable shutout don't count?? They should count double if anything. So now I've got some 18 wins that don't count because of this. And thank god that I just happened to be online when Iron Gut Heath briefly mention something about promotions to someone else, and I just happened to chat with him, and he was nice enough to send me this link. So now I've won 100 times as a major, but only 82 'qualifying' wins, including 10+ from each side in each theater, except now for the pacific because only 8 of my 17 allied wins 'count' and only 5 of my 11 axis wins 'count'. And this confirms this scheme for promotion. SotB.

And it's not just me as I've run into several other Majors who had no idea about this and had basically 'given up' on getting the next promotion. I will continue to try and help others as I was helped, but why is this even necessary? And this cannot be good policy by any stretch of the imagination for DoW. I mean, come on, how hard can it be to change a few lines of code to update the scenario list to include all the basic scenarios in the promotion counting. Really, that's the hold up? That's really sad that something so trivial is causing such negativity in this otherwise awesome, awesome game. Yes, I really do think it's one of the best games ever.

Anyways, like I said, it does pain me to write such heresy, but this really is pretty dumb on so many levels that somebody needs to say it--and DoW needs to fix it as well, at least imho.

Smile
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 28 March 2014 13:35
Hi, Dave --

We haven't "met" online, but I can tell how much you care from the way you articulate your complaint. So, first, a tip of the hat to that.

You're probably well aware that DoW didn't tell the players how to earn any promotions -- it's been for the players to figure out. (A bunch of us have spent many hours trying to figure out the requirements for Brigadier General, and as far as I know, we're all still stumped.) Personally, I opened my eyes after being thrashed in a pair of games one night and realized that there was a star on my insignia, which turned out to have appeared after my previous game.

As you may have seen farther up this thread, the Official scenarios were released online in several batches. For whatever reason, when the rank of Lt Colonel was opened up, the programmers made only the then-available scenarios count toward that promotion. For all I know, it could have been with the intention of having subsequent scenarios count toward some subsequent promotion. Or, for all I know, it could have been accidental.

(FYI, the most recent 16 or so scenarios came from a project initiated by one of the players, who reviewed all public Official scenarios to see which ones could be played with the available units and terrain. That group included some of the scenarios you mentioned.)

Personally, as I see it, the object of the game is to have fun. Victories are nice, and tournament victories are even nicer. (Do you know about the online tournaments?) Promotions are nice. High ratings are nice. (Congratulations on your recent record!) And becoming friends with cool, interesting people from all around the world is an incredible fringe benefit. But at the bottom line, we're having intellectually stimulating, sociable fun for just a few cents an hour.

I hope somewhere in here I've said something useful. In any case, I hope to meet you on the battlefield one of these days.

Sam
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 28 March 2014 14:46
Quote:

Personally, as I see it, the object of the game is to have fun. Victories are nice, and tournament victories are even nicer. (Do you know about the online tournaments?) Promotions are nice. High ratings are nice. (Congratulations on your recent record!) And becoming friends with cool, interesting people from all around the world is an incredible fringe benefit. But at the bottom line, we're having intellectually stimulating, sociable fun for just a few cents an hour.


Dave,

It is like Sam puts it, have fun!! That is what I have always done, win, lose or draw and have always just played.

As to the promotions and requirements, I was not aware of them until well into playing the game and I have just always played and didn't bother with knowing the requirements and sure enough, promotions happened and much like Sam, I find myself with a STAR on my shoulder!!!

Hope for everyone if I was able to make it this far and truth be told, I am still looking for a clue as to how I made it!! Laughing

Good luck along the way and enjoy the fight(s)!!

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 28 March 2014 17:10
I just thought I'd follow-up a bit. First, to Sam1812 and gonzalan, I agree 100% with your comments and thanks so much for them. Fun is definitely on top of the list on why I play and I've been very pleasantly surprised at how nice people are here. Seriously, the internet has been actually elevated because of my playing M'44.

Second, I'd like to reiterate my thanks to the folks that have collected all of this data on promotions--it's really great that you did this and made it public. You guys are kindred spirits.

Third, I wouldn't have posted anything at all except for all of the majors I've run into that have become disillusioned with the promotion process. And I'd try to be helpful anyways, but it's quite tedious to explain repeatedly, 'yes, I'd like to play that scenario with you, but could we play something else that's on the major list instead' and then have to go through all this to an eventually very grateful person when we could have been playing the whole time.

And finally, and just to be clear because that's not how I read my comments, my intent was not to come across as 'whining' because I didn't get promoted. I really could care less and the only reason I posted at all is because of other majors I've run into. Since I already know this silliness, saying anything here or if it gets changed does nothing to help me getting a promotion so that shouldn't even be an issue. Actually when I first started I was going to actively try and not get promoted (and only changed my mind when I realized that promotion conditions were 'reset' and it was so much fun I figured I continue playing). And if I could go back and do it all over again, I actually might not change anything as the reasons I played the Guadalcanal scenarios had nothing to do with promotions but had everything to do with Campaign Book 2 (love it). And I fully appreciate others that had to 'slog through the trenches' to figure this out. Absolutely. But it is also worth noting that when those first people went to play a game, they didn't have the choice between Matanikau River and Tenaru as there was only MR! Now why would anyone that came after this even begin to think there was such a distinction. Seriously, this is why it's so arbitrary and silly. All of the other promotions make good sense and are consistent with DoW's cryptic descriptions of them--with this exception. If pointing this out puts me in a 'bad light' and no one wants to take me 'seriously', so be it--that's on you from my perspective because of what I said is right. If DoW want's to delete my post, they most certainly can, but why should I retract it as I certainly stand by it.

Ah, more negativity. Geez while I'm at it I might as well say that I wish DoW would include the final stat screen at the end of the awesome replay rather than it being lost forever. Or that they should include the average time and number of cards for a scenario as well as the win and medal averages as this is also very useful and interesting information. Or to improve the AI so that it doesn't short change itself orders when a unit is on the line in a RiF or GA and is double counted (and to stop moving its artys around like crazy in some scenarios). Ok, I think that's it! Ok, one last thing, I wish winning the match would mean something in terms of the rankings. Ok, that's it.

But seriously, M'44 really is genius and I would hate for this small issue that likely is just an oversight to negatively impact or distract from this awesome game.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 23 April 2014 01:35
I thought you may be interested in how I am getting along in my attempt to get promoted to Colonel.
I have kept accurate records since my promotion to Lt.Col and this is what I have recorded so far.
I have battled all ranks on all fronts on both sides
I have won all maps on both sides
I have played over 25 cadets and at least 10 of them have been promoted since
I have battled a total of 306 maps including 18 SFTF.
As I have yet to be promoted I can only assume that I need more wins as I have a total of 172.
I read that 250 wins were needed and not just playing 250 maps so that is my next target.
If I have missed something then please let me know.
Still having great fun.
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 23 April 2014 10:34
Something else has just occurred to me, do wins against an opponent who leaves before the end count when the bot has taken over? This does happen sometimes for whatever reason and I haven't kept track of those situations.
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 23 April 2014 11:55
Pedroas wrote on Wed, 23 April 2014 04:34

Something else has just occurred to me, do wins against an opponent who leaves before the end count when the bot has taken over? This does happen sometimes for whatever reason and I haven't kept track of those situations.
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If your opponent leaves during the game and you are the victor against the bot, you still get credit for the victory and your opponent is given the loss. You can check the MEMOIR ONLINE replay to see that this is true.

Also, your spreadsheet kept by DOW on your Officer Career webpage should be your primary source of information for wins and losses.
Download your spreadsheets and use them to formulate your actual wins and losses. They are adjacent to the WAR DIARY and to the right. A little spreadsheet ICON.
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/career/?id=32 0854

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 23 April 2014 14:04
Thanks Stevens for clarifying that point for me, I thought that was the case but its nice to have confirmation.
I have found the spreadsheet on my career webpage extremely useful and I have been using it for a while. Unfortunately it shows opponents' current rank as opposed to the rank at the time of battle so checking that I have played all ranks on all fronts was a manual process. I hope I haven't missed a requirement for promotion and wondered if there was an achievement that was also required. I shall just keep playing and see what transpires.
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 23 April 2014 14:55
Thanks Stevens for clarifying that point for me, I thought that was the case but its nice to have confirmation.
I have found the spreadsheet on my career webpage extremely useful and I have been using it for a while. Unfortunately it shows opponents' current rank as opposed to the rank at the time of battle so checking that I have played all ranks on all fronts was a manual process. I hope I haven't missed a requirement for promotion and wondered if there was an achievement that was also required. I shall just keep playing and see what transpires.
Thanks again
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 23 April 2014 20:30
Pete,
Check out this thread that seems to indicate that an additional scenario needs to be won...Gallabat and Metemma...

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=27794&start=0

Did you win that from both sides. I included it in my spreadsheet based on that thread.

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 24 April 2014 11:16
Thanks Denis,
Already checked and have won this from both sides. I must be missing something though as I have checked the record of another recently promoted Colonel who has fewer total wins than me and actually only won G&M as Allies.
I'll just keep plugging away and it might come eventually.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 24 April 2014 15:15
I have now done a full comparison with the other players record and cannot see anything lacking that gives me any clue why I haven't been promoted as it would appear that I have exceeded his achievements. I know there is a requirement to battle all ranks on all fronts but wondered if the requirement is to WIN against all ranks on all fronts. If that is the case then I am 4 wins short of achieving this. It would take ages to check on the other players record in this aspect as unfortunately the downloadable spreadsheet does not show the rank of the opponent at the time of the battle, as previously mentioned.
If I do get promoted then I shall publish everything I have learned.
Thanks to all that have responded.
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Thu, 24 April 2014 18:49
Recently checked my records for promotion from Lt. colonel to Colonel and noted that I had 190 victories out of 250 TOTAL games played. So in my mind if you have played 250 games and have victories from both sides in ALL the REQUIRED scenarios, you are good. Make sure you have all the specfic scenarios required.
Nevertheless, also note that DOW holds out until you have played 3 more games beyond the requirements before the promotion trigger is activated.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Fri, 25 April 2014 01:26
There must be some random requirememt that I havent managed as I have hit ALL the stated objectives.
I'll start at the beginning again and see what happens.
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In desperation I asked a friend who is an officer in the British Army what is required and he told me to **** off and get a life. Charming! Apparently its a lot more difficult in real life, I find that hard to believe Wink , I don't know who to turn to now Laughing

Sigh!

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sat, 26 April 2014 22:19
Pete,
I checked you wins. You are spot on. Do you know how many people have gotten a promotion as a result of the matches you played, especially the cadets?
That might be the missing factor...
You do have to let some of them win... Wink
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sat, 26 April 2014 22:21
Pedroas wrote on Fri, 25 April 2014 16:37

In desperation I asked a friend who is an officer in the British Army what is required and he told me to...get a life.


Doesn't he know that M'44 IS LIFE...well, sort of...a fun part of it... Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 27 April 2014 03:08
Iron Gut Heath wrote on Sat, 26 April 2014 16:19

Pete,
I checked you wins. You are spot on. Do you know how many people have gotten a promotion as a result of the matches you played, especially the cadets?
That might be the missing factor...
You do have to let some of them win... Wink

You don't have to let them win, but if you play them in some tough scenarios such as FIRST ASSAULT WAVE and they win their 3rd total game to go to 2nd Lt. as a result of besting you in a scenario ...then you've got it.This is the key. So it is best to play cadets with 2 wins to be certain.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Sun, 27 April 2014 21:05
Thanks Denis and Stevens,

Does it matter which scenario the cadet gets promoted on. I find most cadets wont accept many scenarios against me. I have however seen a number promoted immediately after beating me.
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Mon, 28 April 2014 04:01
Pedroas wrote on Sun, 27 April 2014 15:05

Thanks Denis and Stevens,

Does it matter which scenario the cadet gets promoted on. I find most cadets wont accept many scenarios against me. I have however seen a number promoted immediately after beating me.
Pedroas


I don't think it makes any difference which scenario, only that the cadet gets his/ her 3rd victory at your expense.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 30 April 2014 15:11
Iron Gut Heath wrote on Wed, 23 April 2014 21:30

Pete,
Check out this thread that seems to indicate that an additional scenario needs to be won...Gallabat and Metemma...

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=27794&start=0

Did you win that from both sides. I included it in my spreadsheet based on that thread.




So, in addition to catching this extra scenario that needs to be won from both sides for promotion to Colonel, it seems that Toulon, Tunisia, and Rzhev may also be additions to the list. Does anyone have insight into why that my be and if they are in a category that might include other non-core scenarios?
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 30 April 2014 18:57
Iron Gut Heath wrote on Wed, 30 April 2014 09:11

Iron Gut Heath wrote on Wed, 23 April 2014 21:30

Pete,
Check out this thread that seems to indicate that an additional scenario needs to be won...Gallabat and Metemma...

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=27794&start=0

Did you win that from both sides. I included it in my spreadsheet based on that thread.




So, in addition to catching this extra scenario that needs to be won from both sides for promotion to Colonel, it seems that Toulon, Tunisia, and Rzhev may also be additions to the list. Does anyone have insight into why that my be and if they are in a category that might include other non-core scenarios?


MEMOIR '44 Online was not developed in total and then rolled out for folks to play. It has been built in stages and expanded as software for new scenarios was developed. Simultaneous to this development, the promotion trail has developed. Because different scenarios were part of the repertoire at the time of certain promotions, they became the requirements of the time. Hence, promotion to lower rank has a smaller range of scenarios needed for victory. However, as each promotion rank was opened up, the range and number of required scenarios has to date increased. So for many new players, this choice of scenarios for each promotion appears a somewhat random selection, however it is not.

Currently, we have been at a stalemate for well over 2 years on the rank above Brigadier General. I and other BGs will certainly welcome some opportunity for advancement in the future. I am partially convinced that the next door for promotion will not occur until there is a certain number of BGs. So I am encouraged to help all of you of lower rank to move on up if it will assist us seasoned veterans to move forward as well.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Brigadier Wed, 30 April 2014 20:30
So, were those four scenarios rolled out between Lt Col and Colonel rank availability and are there others in that batch that might count?
      
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