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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Thu, 17 April 2014 09:38
An open draft wwould at least give Felix the opportunity to play tag with me which he so desperately craves!

I like idea of

1 US map
1 eu map
1 1910/big cities/US
1 AAT
1 TAG (but one game on each team's chosen map except US, with third game on US)
1 Asia+Swiss (nice 2p clash)

It would give new tag matches on maps not used before...
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Thu, 17 April 2014 22:04
An open draft, really ???!!!

Oh come on! What if someone picks me in his team - and i don't like him? I'm happy with my GANG - and it's not my mistake that so many players are only able to play 1-2 maps.

This idea should be erased immediatly. Smile
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Fri, 18 April 2014 18:37
What about

1. USA
2. EU/USA
3. to be chosen frome the lower seeded team
4. TAG

1 and 4 seem to be a "must" for me.
2 can be replaced by whatever (EU only ... )
3 to be chosen from the lower seeded team (at least in RR), out of a predefined list (AAT or Swiss/Asia or USA 1910, Big Cities and Mega or a second TAG on a different map or - if wished - even a second USA match. But then we should fix anything completely different as no. 2). That would make everything a bit more open and more tricky.

I don't like the idea of open draft. I enjoy being on BTB team in Fusion and on TuS team in NC ... and hope none of my Captains will fire me Confused ... but if one of them does Crying or Very Sad I'd prefer to look for players I like to play together with by myself and not getting drafted in any team. Up to now I've always seen Sysy and onyx helping to find teams for players who didn't find one by themselves till the end of registration.

Let's keep fusion alive or try to make it even more popular Smile

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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Fri, 18 April 2014 21:33
dandee wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 03:09

if you want to make a real tournament Fusion the most fun and most interesting is to create teams randomly
a player signs up for one or more categories
Every year different teams
dan


There have been many of us that would like to do a Random grouping Team tournament. Probably it should be a separate event. And maybe to be effective, even single elimination so it could be completed in say 4 weeks or 7 for double elim. (16 teams) (8, 4, 2 1) (or double elimination 7 weeks, 8, 8, 6, 5, 2 or 3, 2, 1 or 2)
A 4 week tournament maybe do-able into the current Tournament schedule.

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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Fri, 18 April 2014 23:10
How about:

5 match clash :
US
EU
TAG
Choice of Team A
Choice of Team B

Choices offered : Asia, Swiss, Swiss/Asia, AAT

4 matches clash :
US
TAG
Choice of team A
Choice of team B

Choices offered : Swiss, Asia, Europe, AAT


FUN might be an option : if there's a great desire for it and if a 6-game format can be designed.
EDIT : Or we could offer a 6-game US format including BC, 1910, USA, Mega, 8+nono and another fun map.

We don't have to worry about a home advantadge in playoffs.
A team would have to make a different choice from one clash to another.

About BTB, there's no willingness to fire anybody Very Happy. Now that we won, I would be willing to split the team in 2 to create 2 basterds team, to integrate 5/6 new players and offer a new experience to my teammates without killing the core of our team. More basterds is good for everybody !
It is only a personal thought -still to be discussed between us- and not a plan yet.

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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Sat, 19 April 2014 02:07
How about this idea (or some variation of it):

Reduced matches from 6 to 4 games. Add more mactches and let each player play any 2.

Possible matches could be:
US
EU
Asia
Swiss
TAG (2 games instead of 3)
FUN (4 of the 5 picked, similar to how AAT maps are picked)

With this appraoch you would still only need 1 "other" map specialist to play both Asia and Swiss. But it could allow a new player to only have to learn 1 new map (for either Asia or Swiss), not 6 or 7 (for AAT).

Also if the clash was 6 matches, putting in a newbie for Asia or Swiss wouldn't hurt as much. 1 loss out of 6 matches rather than 1 out of 4.

Sysyphus wrote on Fri, 18 April 2014 14:10

How about:

5 match clash :
US
EU
TAG
Choice of Team A
Choice of Team B

Choices offered : Asia, Swiss, Swiss/Asia, AAT

4 matches clash :
US
TAG
Choice of team A
Choice of team B

Choices offered : Swiss, Asia, Europe, AAT.

FUN might be an option : if there's a great desire for it and if a 6-game format can be designed.
We don't have to worry about a home advantadge in playoffs.
A team would have to make a different choice from one clash to another.


I like the choice of each team picking a format, but in the first scenario, you would need 2 Other Map Specialists. That means the 4 teams this year that only had 1, would have to add/train another. In the second scenario you "might" need 2 unless you allow a team to always pick the same choice and they pick Europe each time. So option 2 seems better to me.

Could take it one step farther and have each team make 2 choices, but narrow it down a bit to try to minimize the number of map specialist needed on a team.

      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Sat, 19 April 2014 10:25
My propose is :

1)US
2)EU
3)TAG
4)AAT
5)Swiss/Asia

or without 5
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Sun, 20 April 2014 02:28
there is an asia tourney, eu tourney, us tourney, swiss tourney, AAT tourney in the year...

it would be nice to have a clash in one tourney based on 1910/Big cities... (i hate it, but by same argument, mega...)

seems odd we have none...
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Sun, 27 April 2014 05:28
The FUSION CUP Evaluation summary

So here is what I learned from the notes in this thread:

1. Only need 1 US 2 player match in the FUSION set.

2. EU only or US/EU is still open for debate. But keep some form of EU.

3. TAG must remain as people have come to really enjoy that dimension of the tournament.

4. The 4th slot, currently the AAT slot needs some more thoughtful consideration. Either keep it the same OR perhaps use a way to make the slot optional with some creative way to do home/away choice for maps. (see notes 7 & 8 below)

OTHER things we learned:

5. (not much support for create teams randomly, unless it is make a separate tournament)

6. (Dea and Drake seem to really be at odds when it comes to discussing stuff)

7. (AAT, Asia, swiss, tournament all have about same level of participation. Truck noted Big Cities, Mega, & 1910 do not get much play from top players; AND Will asked why none of those three have a tournament, and asked if we ever tried a tournament with any of those 3?)

8. (A proposal of home/away matches maybe should be considered. But how would this work out in the KO-stage? Another option is that each team chooses one format for each match, either AAT, asia, Swiss Mega BC or 1910)

9. (whether FUSION would go to 5 matches may need more support and there was concern that 5 matches would mean less teams)

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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Wed, 30 April 2014 12:26
It's nice to play all maps, but it's more interesting to play 3 (or more) games in a row on the same map.

So perhaps TAG + USA + 2 or 3 other matches choosen between differents maps can be intersting
      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Wed, 30 April 2014 13:04
That was my propose.

SuperPello wrote on Fri, 11 April 2014 20:23

Hi all.

Why not a more simple:
US
EU
US/EU
AAT
TAG

?

(The second US player has at at least 3 US game)

      
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Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Thu, 01 May 2014 03:22
With Pello's choice we have only US and Euro map unfortunately.

Home advantadge can be solved easily by giving each team the choice of one match in a clash.

4-match clash in Round Robin :
(to make sure we keep all the current teams).
US
TAG
Match 3
Match 4

Choice of :
(locks in my mind)
  • EURO
  • SWISS
  • ASIA
    (and why not)
  • BC/1910 combo
  • AAT
  • FUN (if interest and viable 6-game format)


    Allow teams to play a 5-match clash in KO if they agree.
    TAG as a lock.
    Each team chooses 2 of the matches among the choices above (including USA).

    1. Keeps the spirit of promoting alternative maps alive
    2. Lineups built according to team's strengths instead of putting up with an imposed format.
    3. Therefore Helps to balance the clash or at least teams would feel like it.
    4. Flexible format which would be more likely to last through the years, by offering/playing a different clash every week. And you would have the opportunity to play the same opponent on a different format in KO and adjust your strategy.
    5. 6-game Swiss-Asia-BC/1910 offer good alternatives to AAT.
    6. We could include all those matches in TELO, (better than U/E left aside).

    About the AAT hoarders :
    We just played AMC/SMC, nobody has a clear edge on those maps. Anybody who is willing to learn an alternative map, by diversifying or by just building a new strength is likely to be pretty competitive and to be a serious asset for their team in the next Fusion Cup.

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    Re:FUSION CUP 2014 evaluation & questions Tue, 06 May 2014 18:04
    I would like to strongly suggest my idea (Sysy seems to have adopted it somewhat) of a 2p clash of US+1910+Big Cities - I think that is a nice skill set, all that a good US player needs to do is learn the new tickets - it wont take long and you can still play a combo well etc even if you dont know your opponent's ticks just yet!

    Asia really is a great 2p map, I could possibly argue it being better than US for different reasons. It would be nice to have a clash in this. I think the map deserves it certainly more than EU or Swiss. Im not suggesting it for this tournament, but I would like to try Tag-Asia! Seems like a very interesting prospect if anyone else is interested?

    Will
          
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