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  Tutorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Thu, 08 May 2014 15:09
Many of us are wondering how they ever gonna play the whole D-Day landings expansion. Many lack the figures and other stuff they need like badges and or cards.

As i'm really addicted to M44 I have enough figures for 3 complete maps (of which 1 British). Jeronimon can complete the other half with figures.
All that's left are the breakthrough decks. I still hope DOW will sell them separate but in the meantime I made an alternative.

Here you can find an turturial how to make your own deck.
Also see my gallery on my user page for some (not that good) pictures of the result.

PS. If you see any mistakes, feel free to let me know so I can correct them.



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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Thu, 08 May 2014 16:41
where did you get your A1 printed page. and how big is in reality?
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Thu, 08 May 2014 18:32
Thanks Antoi!
I had a similar thought about making an explanation page, but you actually did it. Thanks for your gift to the community.
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Thu, 08 May 2014 19:23
stevens wrote on Thu, 08 May 2014 12:32

Thanks Antoi!
I had a similar thought about making an explanation page, but you actually did it. Thanks for your gift to the community.



Another reason why I LOVE this community AND this game so much. People here are very giving, polite and supportive on so many levels. I look forward to coming here and seeing the generosity of others again and again. All in the name of friendship and GREAT gaming Smile

Thanks to all who contribute. One of these days I am hoping to have a few scenarios to add to the fun.

Sincerely
Jed
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Thu, 08 May 2014 21:46
That is sweet but I suggest going around other ways because your way you need to have 2 standard deck for each proxed BT deck.

My plan is to use one spair standard deck to proxy 3 BT deck this way:

1st step:

You print the 20 BT card missing in standard deck:

1 Armor assault, 1 Counter attack, 1 Direct from HQ, 1 Move out
1 Ambush, 1 Artillery bombardment, 1 Fire fight, 1 Their Finest Hour
1 General advance, 1 Pincer move, 1 Recon in force,
1 Probe left, center and right
1 Attack left, center and right
1 Assault left, center and right

2nd step:
You put in a sleeve both a standard card behind a printed one and you are good to go Smile
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Thu, 08 May 2014 23:28
All good stuff as I have two spare Standard Decks and was wondering about Breakthrough - though didn't want to buy Winter Wars just for the one deck.

Thanks Antoi Smile

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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Fri, 09 May 2014 15:28
Thanks tot all the praise, I'm glad I could do something in return for the community Smile
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Fri, 09 May 2014 18:48
So just to be clear - you stick the On The Move and Rules Changes stickers onto the sleeves and put the original deck cards in the sleeves so that you can take them out of the sleeves later and use as a normal deck again if you wish.

You do not put the stickers directly onto the cards.
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Fri, 09 May 2014 20:16
Guys what do you think about my method? I will use the tags too 'cause they help a lot Smile
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sat, 10 May 2014 00:36
Achtung Panzer wrote on Fri, 09 May 2014 18:48

So just to be clear - you stick the On The Move and Rules Changes stickers onto the sleeves and put the original deck cards in the sleeves so that you can take them out of the sleeves later and use as a normal deck again if you wish.

You do not put the stickers directly onto the cards.


Don't know if this was a question or not, but indeed: no sticker ever touches our pressious cards Smile
If your cards are already sleeved you need 43 extra. If not at least 80, but better 163 ( 2 x 60 for command deck and 43 extra)
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sat, 10 May 2014 03:15
how do your shuffle your decks of cards if they are all in sleeves?
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sat, 10 May 2014 04:42
Shuffling with sleeves is waaaay easier. You don't fan shuffle but interleave from the sides.
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sat, 10 May 2014 09:38
But a tall sleeved stack can be very unstable on the table Wink
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sat, 10 May 2014 13:53
michelecannone wrote on Fri, 09 May 2014 20:16

Guys what do you think about my method? I will use the tags too 'cause they help a lot Smile


I don't know exactly what you mean by "print the 20 cards"
some of the extra cards from a second deck don't need to change and some of the first deck do. in total 43 cards need an change of which four tactic cards (see my sheets).
So in the end you need to print 43 cards with your idea, correct?

Besides that, you always need an command card in the back so only if you have 4 spare decks you can make 3 breakthrough decks.

      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sat, 10 May 2014 15:02
Sgt Storm wrote on Fri, 09 May 2014 22:42

Shuffling with sleeves is waaaay easier. You don't fan shuffle but interleave from the sides.

I played a game with someone once who had his deck in sleeves. (In fact, it was my first BT battle -- Brummbar's wonderful Breakthrough at Seelow Heights.)

The sleeves all clung together when my opponent shuffled them after TFH. And all the killer cards he'd played before the shuffle ... he got them again after the shuffle.
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sat, 10 May 2014 19:13
Antoi wrote on Sat, 10 May 2014 13:53

michelecannone wrote on Fri, 09 May 2014 20:16

Guys what do you think about my method? I will use the tags too 'cause they help a lot Smile


I don't know exactly what you mean by "print the 20 cards"
some of the extra cards from a second deck don't need to change and some of the first deck do. in total 43 cards need an change of which four tactic cards (see my sheets).
So in the end you need to print 43 cards with your idea, correct?

Besides that, you always need an command card in the back so only if you have 4 spare decks you can make 3 breakthrough decks.





Right! You need 4 standard deck to have 3 BT deck. You take 20 cards from the standard one to use the back side and print 20 BT deck that are missing in the standard plus you add the antoi tags for the bt specific rules and put them in the sleeves.
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sat, 10 May 2014 20:00
You need to print less Rolling Eyes
Check the cards you need
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Sun, 11 May 2014 07:34
sam1812 wrote on Sat, 10 May 2014 09:02

Sgt Storm wrote on Fri, 09 May 2014 22:42

Shuffling with sleeves is waaaay easier. You don't fan shuffle but interleave from the sides.

I played a game with someone once who had his deck in sleeves. (In fact, it was my first BT battle -- Brummbar's wonderful Breakthrough at Seelow Heights.)

The sleeves all clung together when my opponent shuffled them after TFH. And all the killer cards he'd played before the shuffle ... he got them again after the shuffle.


That used to happen in my family when my son was 7 or 8 and had food or drink on his hands. (We use them for Pokemon also.) Fast forward 3 years and it was no longer a problem. With literally hundreds of Pokemon players in our community using sleeves every weekend at tournaments, clubs etc. it shouldn't be a problem for generally older more responsible Memoir players, but there are always exceptions.
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Mon, 19 May 2014 11:41
Sgt Storm wrote on Sun, 11 May 2014 01:34

sam1812 wrote on Sat, 10 May 2014 09:02

Sgt Storm wrote on Fri, 09 May 2014 22:42

Shuffling with sleeves is waaaay easier. You don't fan shuffle but interleave from the sides.

I played a game with someone once who had his deck in sleeves. (In fact, it was my first BT battle -- Brummbar's wonderful Breakthrough at Seelow Heights.)

The sleeves all clung together when my opponent shuffled them after TFH. And all the killer cards he'd played before the shuffle ... he got them again after the shuffle.


That used to happen in my family when my son was 7 or 8 and had food or drink on his hands.


The sleeves in question were mine and they were clean. These sleeves proved very difficult to shuffle properly. Perhaps there are better brands on the market which make the task easier. However, I now perfer unsleeved cards as I do believe they provide a more random shuffle.
      
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Re:Tutorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Mon, 19 May 2014 12:31
I have a whole bunch of obsolete business cards with one blank side. I have been thinking of writing on those (or printing?) and turning them into a make-shift 2nd BT deck. They are a little small, but sturdy enough, and I think I have enough of them.
      
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Re:Tutorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Mon, 19 May 2014 14:00
What size and make of sleeve are people using for the Memoir deck?
      
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Re:Tutorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Mon, 19 May 2014 16:04
59 x 92 MM
Like the ones from Arcane tinmen Ultra pro are fine too.

I also have a couple of very thin sleeves, but the are worthless. I use them for the summarycards only because its hard too shuffle them and they are not that strong.
      
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Re:Turorial: making your own breakthrough deck. Tue, 20 May 2014 23:04
tank commander wrote on Mon, 19 May 2014 05:41

Sgt Storm wrote on Sun, 11 May 2014 01:34

sam1812 wrote on Sat, 10 May 2014 09:02

Sgt Storm wrote on Fri, 09 May 2014 22:42

Shuffling with sleeves is waaaay easier. You don't fan shuffle but interleave from the sides.

I played a game with someone once who had his deck in sleeves. (In fact, it was my first BT battle -- Brummbar's wonderful Breakthrough at Seelow Heights.)

The sleeves all clung together when my opponent shuffled them after TFH. And all the killer cards he'd played before the shuffle ... he got them again after the shuffle.


That used to happen in my family when my son was 7 or 8 and had food or drink on his hands.


The sleeves in question were mine and they were clean. These sleeves proved very difficult to shuffle properly. Perhaps there are better brands on the market which make the task easier. However, I now perfer unsleeved cards as I do believe they provide a more random shuffle.



That's odd. I've never encountered sleeves that stick tight out of the box, and believe me we have thousands of sleeves lying around the house. Maybe the clear sleeves might be sticky, but we haven't used those for years.

In fact the problem we have mostly is the new sleeves are really slippery and so its easy to spill the entire deck.

I usually use Ultra Pro sleeves, the Deck Protector brand, which I think are the ones with the textured backs (that's what makes them very slippery). I use 2 5/8 x 3 5/8 (in) size which is just barely enough to hold Memoir '44 vertically.

      
    
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