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objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 12:19
I don't really seem to get how the objective track works. How does this ticking the boxes work? In the example in the rulebook you don't seem to get any points for controlling just one objective???
      
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Re:objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 13:21
The objective box covers all the possible medal objectives throughout the campaign series of scenarios. You tick off the medals as / if you gain them in the scenarios. So the Axis player can only gain one medal during the entire Flanking Caen campaign - see Withdrawal from Hill 112.

As you gain a medal you tick the box and then, at the end of the campaign, add the corresponding number of objective points to your medal total.

I'm currently playing Flanking Caen but failed to win the two Allied medals on offer at Securing the Flank. This could be costly as I now can't get the maximum allocation of 4 Objectives points available in the Flanking Caen campaign.

This is my understanding. Does this help? Rolling Eyes

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Re:objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 14:28
Having played the first campaign as the Axis, I know that since I obtained no objectives my score was actually (-1) and so I went from 13 medals to 12 on my score for that Campaign. So yes tick the boxes for each one gained and then enter the number below the last ticked box for your objective score in that Campaign.
      
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Re:objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 14:44
The Objective Track has been puzzling me, too. Let me try to articulate it. So, using Flanking Caen as the example...

Securing the Flank has 2 objectives for the Allies. The Allied scoresheet starts at 0 in the first box, but has a 2 under the second and third boxes.

Do you just put a checkmark in a box each time you win an objective, and the number of Objective Points you have is the number under the last checkmark? So whether the Allies take one or both objectives in Securing The Flank, they have 2 Objective Points going into their next battle?

The Axis scoresheet for that campaign starts at -1. Why? What does it mean if you have -1 Objective Points?

Is the Axis "stuck" at -1 Objective Points until the third battle in the sequence, when they have an objective? So, basically, if they don't take that objective, then they lose 1 point in the campaign scorekeeping ... or effectively, in this case, making that a 2-medal objective?

And while attainment of certain objectives may affect the setup of future scenarios in the campaign, the number of Objective Points doesn't matter until the end of the campaign, right?
      
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Re:objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 14:52
Sam,
I think you are dead on in your logic.

And this is the way I have been playing it. So the German's actually lose points if they don't take the given objective in the third scenario. I'm hoping there is some balance futher along in the Grand Campaign, otherwise I'm in big trouble scorewise.
      
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Re:objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 15:23
stevens wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:52

Sam,
I think you are dead on in your logic.

And this is the way I have been playing it. So the German's actually lose points if they don't take the given objective in the third scenario. I'm hoping there is some balance futher along in the Grand Campaign, otherwise I'm in big trouble scorewise.


That's the beauty of the Objective Track system. Players have complained that they can ignore the objectives in a battle and still win a game very easily. Well, with the campaigns it's not as easy. You might be able to win a scenario without paying attention to the objectives but you'll be hard pressed to win the campaign!

Now it might make sense for a player like Stevens to not win the game until he has captured a few objectives, which could mean passing up an easy win (by destroying a weakened unit) to focus on a more difficult objective. Things start to get interesting when that happens!! Cool
      
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Re:objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 16:06
It's also a difference from typical match play, where figures eliminated is the tiebreaker. If you win more medals through the objectives, that often means fewer figures killed.

I'm beginning to catch on to this thing now.

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Re:objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 16:22
I was away for the last couple of days so thanks to Rasmussen for his answers. He is spot on.

One check mark for each objective taken. the numbers below the check is the score for the campaign.

The Objective track was born out of the concern a lot of players (myself included) that the game could be won by simply ignoring the objectives and concentrating on the elimination of units.

I wanted the objectives to have more of an emphasis in the campaign system and thus the objective track idea was born. The other bonus to the objective track is that it also helps balance out the campaign if the scenarios tend to be slanted to one side or the other. While more of an art than a science it did very well in playtesting.

      
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Re:objective track Sun, 15 March 2009 16:48
Sam has a good question here that can serve as a good example for players wondering about the Objective Tracks so I thought it might be good to use it to illustrate how it works.

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:44

The Objective Track has been puzzling me, too. Let me try to articulate it. So, using Flanking Caen as the example...

Securing the Flank has 2 objectives for the Allies. The Allied scoresheet starts at 0 in the first box, but has a 2 under the second and third boxes.

Do you just put a checkmark in a box each time you win an objective, and the number of Objective Points you have is the number under the last checkmark? So whether the Allies take one or both objectives in Securing The Flank, they have 2 Objective Points going into their next battle?


What this means is that if the Allies capture one objective, they will get 2 objective points. If they capture two objectives, they still only get 2 objectives points. These Objective points are only counted towards the score of the campaign itself while the objectives individually still count toward your medal count in the scenario.

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:44

The Axis scoresheet for that campaign starts at -1. Why? What does it mean if you have -1 Objective Points?


The Axis start at -1 Objective points on the track to really motivate them to get that objective! In essence, if they don't capture it, they subtract one point from the end Victory Points (in the Obj. Track box for scoring).

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:44

Is the Axis "stuck" at -1 Objective Points until the third battle in the sequence, when they have an objective? So, basically, if they don't take that objective, then they lose 1 point in the campaign scorekeeping ... or effectively, in this case, making that a 2-medal objective?


Correct! If the Axis don't take the objective, they lose a point overall. If they take the objective, they gain a point (and of course, get the medal in the scenario as well!).

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:44

And while attainment of certain objectives may affect the setup of future scenarios in the campaign, the number of Objective Points doesn't matter until the end of the campaign, right?


Correct, the points earned by the Objective track aren't tallied until the end of the campaign.

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Re:objective track Mon, 16 March 2009 10:01
Brummbär wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 16:48

Sam has a good question here that can serve as a good example for players wondering about the Objective Tracks so I thought it might be good to use it to illustrate how it works.

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:44

The Objective Track has been puzzling me, too. Let me try to articulate it. So, using Flanking Caen as the example...

Securing the Flank has 2 objectives for the Allies. The Allied scoresheet starts at 0 in the first box, but has a 2 under the second and third boxes.

Do you just put a checkmark in a box each time you win an objective, and the number of Objective Points you have is the number under the last checkmark? So whether the Allies take one or both objectives in Securing The Flank, they have 2 Objective Points going into their next battle?


What this means is that if the Allies capture one objective, they will get 2 objective points. If they capture two objectives, they still only get 2 objectives points. These Objective points are only counted towards the score of the campaign itself while the objectives individually still count toward your medal count in the scenario.

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:44

The Axis scoresheet for that campaign starts at -1. Why? What does it mean if you have -1 Objective Points?


The Axis start at -1 Objective points on the track to really motivate them to get that objective! In essence, if they don't capture it, they subtract one point from the end Victory Points (in the Obj. Track box for scoring).

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:44

Is the Axis "stuck" at -1 Objective Points until the third battle in the sequence, when they have an objective? So, basically, if they don't take that objective, then they lose 1 point in the campaign scorekeeping ... or effectively, in this case, making that a 2-medal objective?


Correct! If the Axis don't take the objective, they lose a point overall. If they take the objective, they gain a point (and of course, get the medal in the scenario as well!).

sam1812 wrote on Sun, 15 March 2009 06:44

And while attainment of certain objectives may affect the setup of future scenarios in the campaign, the number of Objective Points doesn't matter until the end of the campaign, right?


Correct, the points earned by the Objective track aren't tallied until the end of the campaign.



OK, thank you very much. This clears things up for me!
      
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Re:objective track Wed, 18 March 2009 16:26
now a side note: I don't believe you have to win the scenario to hold the objective. As long as you control it at the end of the game, win or lose you get the points.

So in the example above (securing the flank), say the allies hold one objective (2pts) and lose the game by one medal (ger:5/Brits:4). At this point in the campaign (early I know)the Brits are winning with a score of (4 medals + 2 for objective = 6pts) and the Germans have a score of (5 medals - 1 'cause the haven't secured their objective yet = 4 pts). The Germans won the game but are losing the war! I love this system so far, it really puts the pressure on each game and adds more to the flavor than I kill you, you kill me!

I hope I've got that right...
      
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Re:objective track Wed, 18 March 2009 16:48
gp_man wrote on Wed, 18 March 2009 08:26

now a side note: I don't believe you have to win the scenario to hold the objective. As long as you control it at the end of the game, win or lose you get the points.

So in the example above (securing the flank), say the allies hold one objective (2pts) and lose the game by one medal (ger:5/Brits:4). At this point in the campaign (early I know)the Brits are winning with a score of (4 medals + 2 for objective = 6pts) and the Germans have a score of (5 medals - 1 'cause the haven't secured their objective yet = 4 pts). The Germans won the game but are losing the war! I love this system so far, it really puts the pressure on each game and adds more to the flavor than I kill you, you kill me!

I hope I've got that right...


You do! Good insight on the system. Objectives certainly carry more weight in the campaigns then they do in one off battles.
      
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Re:objective track Tue, 26 July 2011 13:38
hi guys ..this has been really helpful as i was as confused as hell!
but i still have one query..

using the flanking Caen campaign as an example..

there a 5 objective track boxes for the allies..and yet only 4 scenarios..

does this mean that in 'securing the flank' scenario ..if the allies score one or two objectives whilst they get two points either way ..
scoring two objectives essentially means that the next objective secured ( in capturing the crossing ) will push them up to 3?

whereas..if they had only scored 1 objective in 'securing the flank'..there next objective at capturing the crossing would stil only = 2 objective points..

sorry confusing stuff...
am i making myself clear?
      
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Re:objective track Wed, 27 July 2011 20:15
stutzbearclub wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 04:38

hi guys ..this has been really helpful as i was as confused as hell!
but i still have one query..

using the flanking Caen campaign as an example..

there a 5 objective track boxes for the allies..and yet only 4 scenarios..

does this mean that in 'securing the flank' scenario ..if the allies score one or two objectives whilst they get two points either way ..
scoring two objectives essentially means that the next objective secured ( in capturing the crossing ) will push them up to 3?

whereas..if they had only scored 1 objective in 'securing the flank'..there next objective at capturing the crossing would stil only = 2 objective points..

sorry confusing stuff...
am i making myself clear?


Yes, you understand it correctly.

The Objective Track should be looked at in terms of the total objectives possible and not in terms of how many scenarios (thus 5 boxes for 5 possible objective medals).

So if both objectives are held in Securing the Flank then 2 of the boxes are checked off. If an objective is taken after in a following scenario then yes, the next box is checked off.

In essence the Objective Track persists throughout the campaign itself tracking captured objectives as you go.

Hope that helps.
      
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Re:objective track Tue, 01 July 2014 22:36
Barbarossa Center, Russian objective track states:
Objectives None, Points 6
Does this mean that even if the Russians obtain no objectives, they still get +6 points at the end of the campaign?
Just checkin', as it seems a huge bonus for... well, basically doing nothing.
      
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Re:objective track Wed, 02 July 2014 03:51
Yep, that's correct. Plus 6 for achieving nothing. It's a means to balance the campaign, which is heavily weighted in favor of Axis otherwise.
      
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Re:objective track Thu, 03 July 2014 09:13
Sgt Storm wrote on Wed, 02 July 2014 04:51

Yep, that's correct. Plus 6 for achieving nothing. It's a means to balance the campaign, which is heavily weighted in favor of Axis otherwise.

Thank you for the answer and sorry for this late reply (forgot to check notifications...).
Prior to playing Barbarossa, I was under the impression that the Grand Campaign was designed to get progressively harder for the Germans (which was historically accurate), not the other way around. Having finished it, I agree with you entirely. Sea of Azov and Gates of Moscow (reduced movement for Russian armor in winter, seriously?!? It should be THE exception to Blitz rules, esp. at Moscow) were the worst offenders in this respect.
And speaking of historical accuracies: why would Der Panzergraf be present and not also Popel: http://kingpopiel.tripod.com/english/nkpopel.htm? Even so, he was a tank commander, not an infantry one: http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-panzer-graf.htm
      
    
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