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A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 00:47
Memoir '44 King of the hill ladder Wed, 30 May 2007 20:06

Hello all.

This is an invite to all players interested in a king of the hill ladder(see description below) for Memoir '44.

The ladder would be simple. Each player would play the player (non-idle) directly below them (Ex # 1 would play # 2)in a match. A match would be 2 games. In case of a tie (both players win 1 game), the match would go to the player that earned more total medals in the match. If this if also a tie, then the match would go to the player that eliminated the most figures in the match.

A third tiebreaker (after the above two were used) the top ranked player would win. Rank has it's privileges.

Any player that won would pass all players that lost above him.

A player is allowed to sit out (idle) two rounds in a row (he would maintain his current position on the ladder).

If he sits out for 3 rounds in a row, he would drop below all any player who played that round.

Any new player would be added to the bottom of the list.

In case of an odd number of active players for a given round, the last player on the list would be idle.

Rounds would start every 4th week. Players would have 1 month to complete their matches (2 games).

Anyone who is interested in playing, post here. Any additional comments are welcome.

      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 00:54
tank commander wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 23:47

...A match would be 2 games....


I assume both games will be the same scenario with sides reversed?
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 01:24
As an answer to your question yes, it will be the same scenario.

You can count me in
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 01:41
Sounds like fun. A few questions:

Do you envision this as real-time, PBEM, or players' choice?

Who chooses the scenarios?

If everybody plays a round at once and every winner jumps past every loser ranked above him, then the lowest loser in each round will precipitously jump up to one position above the middle. Is that what you intend? (It's been a long time since I've played in a ladder tournament, but I recall being able to freely challenge players up to, say, 3 places above, with the challenger taking his opponent's spot if he won. Less volatile, though perhaps harder to manage.)

Where would we keep track of the ladder?
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 03:37
Sam.

Can't answer directly for TC but his description sounds very similar to the ladder I run at my local group....

8 players ranked from 1 thru to 8.

#1 plays #2, #3 v #4, #5 v #6, #7 v #8

All winners progress up past all losers.
The winner of the top rank game will be No 1 rank next round. The loser drops down to Rank #5.
The winner of the lowest ranked game will jump to Rank #4.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 06:05
I am interested. If PBEM, it would be easier. If live, a biot more difficult but possible. But my free time is very limited the next month capped by a week long vacation.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 16:34
TommieSL wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 18:54

tank commander wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 23:47

...A match would be 2 games....


I assume both games will be the same scenario with sides reversed?




That is correct.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 16:42
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 19:41

Sounds like fun.
Do you envision this as real-time, PBEM, or players' choice?




This can be either real time (if both players can agree on a time to play) or PBEM. Another possibility is ftf (although I only forsee this happening very rarely - if ever).

If possible, realtime would be best. Both games need not be completed in the same session. That is why I gave a month time frame to get both games in. But some people may not be able to do this, so PBEM is fine too. Players could even do one real time and the other PBEM.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 16:45
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If everybody plays a round at once and every winner jumps past every loser ranked above him, then the lowest loser in each round will precipitously jump up to one position above the middle. Is that what you intend?


Yes. If you lose you tumble a ways down, but you can make up a lot of ground w/ a couple of wins. This way is a lot simpler - once the results are in for each round, you know where you stand and who you play next.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 16:46
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 19:41


Where would we keep track of the ladder?



Players would submit the results of each match to me. I was thinking of posting them here. But am open to suggestions.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 16:50
ColtsFan76 wrote on Sat, 16 August 2008 00:05

I am interested. If PBEM, it would be easier. If live, a biot more difficult but possible. But my free time is very limited the next month capped by a week long vacation.


Hi CF. I cannot speak for any other players, but I would use PBEM vs you any time. Your rep speaks for itself. Hope to meet you ftf one of these days. Did that w/ Sam and Col. Hogan at the recent WBC - it was an honor guys Smile
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 16:51
TommieSL wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 21:37

Sam.

Can't answer directly for TC but his description sounds very similar to the ladder I run at my local group....

8 players ranked from 1 thru to 8.

#1 plays #2, #3 v #4, #5 v #6, #7 v #8

All winners progress up past all losers.
The winner of the top rank game will be No 1 rank next round. The loser drops down to Rank #5.
The winner of the lowest ranked game will jump to Rank #4.


Yes - exactly what I meant. Thank you, sir.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 16:53
As to the month time frame for completion of a match - that is flexible. If all agree we can go w/ a shorter one - 2 or 3 weeks.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 17:19
sam1812 wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 19:41


Who chooses the scenarios?


Good question.

1) We can either run through the scenarios one by one in order for each round (as they appear in the Air pack book)

or

2) alternate between Western, Eastern and Pacific scenarios from round to round. I am open to suggestions here.

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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 17:25
Oooh, I kind a like the "straight-through method." Where are we at with DOW getting the revised Air Pack scenrios online so we can record statistics?
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Sat, 16 August 2008 20:21
tank commander wrote on Sat, 16 August 2008 15:46

sam1812 wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 19:41


Where would we keep track of the ladder?



Players would submit the results of each match to me. I was thinking of posting them here. But am open to suggestions.


I was thinking you could set up a yahoo group - similar to the C&C:A VSQL group that is used as a repository for all their tournament details.

A quick search on Yahoo reveals that there is already a M44 Ladder group!... http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/m44ladder/

Maybe you could use that?
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Mon, 18 August 2008 22:30
Just to put my 2 cents in.

I know there is a ladder available for M44 people on Vassal

Here is the link :
http://www.vassalengine.org/tournaments/index.php

I know it is currently undergoing a software update at the moment but just thought I point that out in case no one was aware there was a ladder already set up for M44 (as well as BL) players as well

Cab
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Tue, 19 August 2008 02:20
That page has been giving "404 Not Found" error messages for at least 4-5 months, at least any time I've tried to call it up.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Tue, 19 August 2008 11:40
Caboose wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 16:30

Just to put my 2 cents in.

I know there is a ladder available for M44 people on Vassal

Here is the link :
http://www.vassalengine.org/tournaments/index.php

I know it is currently undergoing a software update at the moment but just thought I point that out in case no one was aware there was a ladder already set up for M44 (as well as BL) players as well

Cab


Yes, I knew of that and was on it. But it did not seem to work well as players mainly played vs their regular opponents. There was very little activity there.


      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder - Start date Aug 30th Tue, 19 August 2008 21:48
OK, guys. I guess this will never get up and running unless I get it up and running. I have posted a message on vassal. I will wait till Sat Aug 30th, then proceed to the next step. I will do this even if I have only 4 players. Once we get started and play a few rounds, others may join in. I will still try to drum up other players along the way.

So the for-sures are CF, Col. Hogan, Sam and me. If there are any others out there speak up now.

I was going to assign starting positions by random. But if there are no strong objections, I think it would be fitting to bestow the # 1 spot to the reigning WBC champ - Col Hogan and the # 2 spot to the player he defeated - Sam1812. I will assign CF to the # 3 spot and I will be # 4. After that, players will be assigned their ladder rank in the order that they join the ladder.

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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 02:36
Did I not make myself clear on the original thread?...

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=11430&start=0#msg _num_26

Just in case - (please) count me in.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 11:52
TommieSL wrote on Tue, 19 August 2008 20:36

Did I not make myself clear on the original thread?...

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=11430&start=0#msg _num_26

Just in case - (please) count me in.


I am sorry - I went back to this thread only. Embarassed OK, you are indeed in Smile
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder - Start date Aug 30th Wed, 20 August 2008 11:54
tank commander wrote on Tue, 19 August 2008 15:48

I will assign CF to the # 3 spot and I will be # 4.


OK - slight change here. CF will be # 3, TommieSL #4 and I will take the # 5 spot.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 12:44
No problem John - it must be your age. Razz
But I insist that I enter at the bottom - I will wait for the numbers to even up or play in the next round should someone request a 'pass'.

Thanks for perservering with this.

Barry.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 16:16
TC, would this be F2F or pbem?
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 16:59
I left a message that I would like to be involved on the Vassal engine. Hope this works out.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 18:17
Brummbär wrote on Wed, 20 August 2008 15:16

TC, would this be F2F or pbem?


Hi Malcolm,

I think TC plans to leave it to the players' own preferences.
I know I prefer vF2F and given the allotted time for each of the matches it seems reasonable to expect most players will be able to find mutually convenient times to meet up on-line.
However, some time zone differences may make this awkward so we have PbEM as the 'safety' net.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 18:47
Thanks Tommie,

While I certainly don't mind playing pbem for very casual games or even playtesting, I don't think it is at all appropriate for any kind of ladder system. It is just too easy to rig and I would always, in the back of my mind, be wondering about that last move my opponent made.

While the outrageous luck can and certainly does happen in this game, at least F2F you are experiencing it in real time.

I would be interested in a F2F ladder.

I was hoping that there would be a DoW version that would alleviate the need for this by now...but they obviously have a lot going on so it looks like Vassal will have to suffice.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 22:45
What on earth do they have going on at the moment that could be more important than OUR ladder? Rolling Eyes

Oh, yeah - ok. Only kidding. :sheepish:
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:13
TommieSL wrote on Wed, 20 August 2008 12:17

Brummbär wrote on Wed, 20 August 2008 15:16

TC, would this be F2F or pbem?


Hi Malcolm,

I think TC plans to leave it to the players' own preferences.
I know I prefer vF2F and given the allotted time for each of the matches it seems reasonable to expect most players will be able to find mutually convenient times to meet up on-line.
However, some time zone differences may make this awkward so we have PbEM as the 'safety' net.



TommieSL has it exactly right.

The PBEM option is a last resort of play.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:19
TommieSL wrote on Wed, 20 August 2008 06:44

No problem John - it must be your age. Razz
But I insist that I enter at the bottom - I will wait for the numbers to even up or play in the next round should someone request a 'pass'.

Thanks for perservering with this.

Barry.



An update.

Here is my current list.

# 1 Col Hogan
# 2 Sam1812
# 3 CF
# 4 Brummbar
# 5 TommieSL
# 6 TC
# 7 JohnnyB (new)
# 8 Stevens (new)
# 9 Lt Rock (new)
# 10 Liverbirds (new)

and perhaps

? David A. (Reserve)

Can we make it an even dozen???


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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:20
TC

Actually - I meant bottom of the 5 players as were signed up at the time... Oh, never mind.

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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:23
What happened to Brumm ?

I might have another interested party (davidandrew) - he's in Sicily at the moment so park him as a maybe and I'll report back.

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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:27
TommieSL wrote on Wed, 20 August 2008 14:23

What happened to Brumm ?



Yep, sign me up...but only F2F...I have hard enough luck as it is!
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:39
TommieSL wrote on Wed, 20 August 2008 17:20

TC

Actually - I meant bottom of the 5 players as were signed up at the time... Oh, never mind.


Not a problem w/ that spot. I can fix it right now. I have edited the listing post above - adding Brummbar (at # 4) and TommieSL at # 5.

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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:45
Looking too cool Stevens!

edit...awww, you fixed it! Cool

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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:47
Brummbär wrote on Wed, 20 August 2008 17:45

Looking too cool Stevens!

edit...awww, you fixed it! Cool


Yes - the 8 and the ) made a cool face.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:48
OK guys so far we have ten and I have posted in another forum. I am going for at least 12 Smile But I am happy w/ the 10 we have so far Very Happy

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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Wed, 20 August 2008 23:50
TommieSL wrote on Wed, 20 August 2008 22:23

I might have another interested party (davidandrew) - he's in Sicily at the moment so park him as a maybe and I'll report back.




Reserve list.
      
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Re:A second call for a Mem 44 ladder Thu, 21 August 2008 13:52
Wow! That's one thing I've never been accused of - being COOL.
Thanks for the brief moment of coolness. This whole vassal thing is new to me, but I have been practicing with it offline. Your patience will be appreciated. Looking forward to some fun gaming.
      
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