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Re:Promotion Requirements Wed, 01 June 2011 17:19
Morgiliath wrote on Sun, 01 May 2011 09:36



Lt.Colonel - 10 victories as each side (Allies and Axis) in each of the currently (May 2011) available theatres (Western Front, Mediterranean, Eastern Front, Far East) - that's 80 victories in total

Comments and observations welcome.




I have -yet- another hypothesis. Probably a certain number of wins against Majors or higher rank is required on top of the 80 victories.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 03 June 2011 22:07
I can confirm that.

After spending a lot of time pouring over my service records, I was finally promoted after winning Hell Fire as the allies pass against another Major. I'd won this particular battle as the allies before - but it was against a cadet. I noticed that I had not played this battle since then as the allies. As soon as I did, against a Major, and won,I was promoted.

Now it seems I'll be playing a lot of battles against cadets - if I want to make Colonel that is!
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 04 June 2011 01:22
i wonder if it's 10 wins as each side after you reach major - that would be most of my east and desert anyways, all my pacific and very few of my western theatre wins.. off to check the stats..
also how do you post your medals under your post like that??
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 04 June 2011 03:18
studecay wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 19:22


also how do you post your medals under your post like that??



Go back to the forum list. There is a sticky about signature and it gives the instructions.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Wed, 08 June 2011 02:05
cheers tabou Smile
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Wed, 08 June 2011 05:39
So, I finally got promoted. -YEAH- Surprised
As I analyzed my stats (anybody can).
- I have a lots of wins from the game1. (more than the rumored 10) for each side/front.
- Games from being Major to LtC, I have 11+ wins for each side/front.
- I got promoted when winning against a 2nd LT, and the 12th win after being promoted to Major as allies on Mediterranean.

So, having 10+ wins is a factor but I don't think 10 is the minimum. Now with my -yet- another theory. Could the other part of the equation be the variety of ranked opponents ? (Such as playing at least once against a cadet, 1Lt, 2Lt, Captain .. and so on )

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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 11 June 2011 06:44
In the sentence "Those that make it have proven they can best their peers,[...]", "peers" should refer to other majors, for sure. My guess would be 10 victories/side/front with a certain minimum number of wins over majors. However, this is not coherent with Tabou's report...
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 19 June 2011 10:36
Just want to say how helpful this post is.
I am now a Captain, and would not have known about the Arnhem/Omaha requirement, despite having the wins, if not for this thread.
Cheers,
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 25 June 2011 06:41
Just my 0.02c,
but I think it is something apart from the mandatory 20 victories that gets you promoted to major.
It is something like who you got victories against or maybe even something like have 10 (or a given number) of achievements.
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 25 June 2011 07:41
Congratulations on your recent promotion, Major.

Keep up the good work.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 26 June 2011 10:49
Thanks Colonel.
But I believe it is a big push to Lieutenant Colonel from here.
Will keep plugging away though.
Kit (Major)
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 27 June 2011 15:49
kitstjohn wrote on Sun, 26 June 2011 09:49

Thanks Colonel.
But I believe it is a big push to Lieutenant Colonel from here.
Will keep plugging away though.
Kit (Major)


I tend to be looking for Majors to play these days to hit the next level. I'm nearly at 10 wins with each side for all scenarios but ...

They are not all since I became a major

Nor are they mainly against peer rank or greater

So it will be interesting to see if I become a LtCol once Iget the 10.

I do seem to be picking Axis on the Eastern front most recently... Wink
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Tue, 28 June 2011 05:39
I was promoted to Major tonight after just 61 battles.

It was indicated earlier on this thread that you needed 20 victories after becoming a Captain. However, I earned the promotion to Major after my 18th victory; after becoming a Captain.

So, I don't think it's 20. It's 18. Oh, and one more thing I noticed. I have played all of the different ranks at least once; I played Colonel Phread tonight (and lost). But, I think it helped for the promotion requirements.

I had 17 victories at the time I was promoted to Captain and 35 victories at the time being promoted to Major. I currently have 36 victories. I need 44 more victories to earn Lt Colonel. I hope to earn this rank before I hit 150 battles. That's at a 50% win percentage; which, dice willing, I should be able to manage.

I'm trying to play all of the battles in preparation for the Colonel requirements as well.

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Re:Promotion Requirements Wed, 29 June 2011 15:41
Not sure, it may just be a one off for you. It took 20 wins for me against a variety of ranks.
But the list is very good at giving ballpark analysis of what you have to do. But with only 7 scenarios for Pacific and Eastern Theatres I am hoping you only have to win what is there.
Kit (Major, one of 300 apparently)
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Wed, 29 June 2011 21:11
There has been a 50% increase in the numbers of Colonels.

May I be (one of) the first to congratulate the newest member of the fellowship Colonel stevie02.

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Welcome welcome welcome. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I am sure it took a lot of hard work. Perhaps Colonel you might like to share your insights gained on the way. Or perhaps you might like to keep the secret handshake to yourself.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Wed, 29 June 2011 21:50
[COLOR=silver]May I be (one of) the first to congratulate the newest member of the fellowship Colonel stevie02.
 
Welcome welcome welcome. [/COLOR]


Thank you very much.
I have already outlined, as far as I can tell in the other 'Colonel promotion thread'.

Basically :-

Each senario from both sides

Plenty of cadet opponents

Now this is when it differs from yourself and gheintze :-

I only had 10 or 11 victories as a Lt Col as allies on the Eastern Front. Though I had at least 15 for each other theatre.

Was promoted after a defeat !!!

      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 30 June 2011 02:14
Congratulations and well done

I'm still plugging away but keep getting beat on the last 10 or so that I require for a victory as all sides all theatres

Still I'll get there in there end.

      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 02 July 2011 01:19
In response to the 'Major' Rank. You only need to play all other ranks. I lost to a Colonel twice, but won against every other rank. Or maybe defeating a Colonel is not required.

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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 03 July 2011 19:17
And is it 10 victories in each front for each side since becoming a major or in total and includes previous victories?

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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 07 July 2011 04:23
I have won ten or more battles per side on all four fronts and no promotion to Lt Colonel.

However, I have not played every scenario from both sides. I did a recalculation and I have two more to play as below:

Red Barricades Factory as Axis
Vassieux as Allies

I suspect in addition to the wins, you must play each side of every scenario at least once.

Here are my win totals:
FRONT-AXIS-ALLIES
Eastern-11-13
Western-13-16
Pacific-11-12
Meddit.-10-10

Hopefully, I can report back something conclusive tomorrow.

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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 07 July 2011 15:29
GI John:
I have over 600 wins. Have played every scenario from both sides. I have won from at least one side in every scenario. I have more than 10 wins from each side in every front. However, I am still a major. I have 18 ALLIES wins and 19 AXIS wins in the Mediterranean theater. Nevertheless I only have 4 Allied wins in the ORIGINAL mediterranean scenarios from the Mediterranean Theater Expansion. I believe that this is the limiting factor. You must have TEN wins as Allies in those first 8 scenarios. Tunisia, Toulon, Montelimar and Gallabet & Matemma don't count.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Thu, 07 July 2011 15:55
I was wondering that Major Stevens.

I didn't realize some of the Mediterranean scenarios were of lessor value. I no doubt am short those key wins.

Thanks for the tip.

OK, I recalculated and I have these adjusted totals:

Mediterranean
Axis-7
Allies-7

Eastern
Axis-8

I removed my wins for the two new scenarios on the Eastern Front also: Battle of Warsaw and Rzhev.

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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 16:17
To update my previous post.

* I now have 10+ wins in Mediterranean (and all fronts) for both sides; after taking out the 4 battle maps that don't count. Also, on the Eastern Front, same thing.

* I have played all scenarios from both sides.

STILL no promotion.

I'm not sure what the criteria is??? I'm shooting blanks in the dark. Any ideas??

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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 18:40
Do you have at least one win (as either Axis or Allies) in every battle?
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 21:31
nooooooo, I don't. I thought you only needed that for Colonel. That's a requirement for Lt Colonel as well????

Please confirm if this is a definite requirement.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 21:40
GI John wrote on Fri, 08 July 2011 15:31

nooooooo, I don't. I thought you only needed that for Colonel. That's a requirement for Lt Colonel as well????

Please confirm if this is a definite requirement.


It is not a requirement for Lt. Colonel, as I know a Lt. Colonel that still hasn't won at Arnhem Bridge as the Axis.

I suspect that there is something to the phrase "Those that make it have proven they can best their peers" that has to do with the rank of your opponents, but I'm not sure. Whatever that requirement was, I had fulfilled it before I got the 10 wins/side/theater of operations.

Geoff
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 21:55
Thanks for the input. I didn't think that was it.

I'm going to be playing Majors and up for a while...
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 22:33
Quote:

Do you have at least one win (as either Axis or Allies) in every battle?


This is different from the COLONEL requirement that you win every battle from both sides. This only requires that you have played every scenario and have won from at least one side.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 22:54
stevens wrote on Fri, 08 July 2011 16:33

Quote:

Do you have at least one win (as either Axis or Allies) in every battle?


This is different from the COLONEL requirement that you win every battle from both sides. This only requires that you have played every scenario and have won from at least one side.


Sorry, I missed the "as either" part of your earlier post.

This does seem like a reasonable requirement for Lt. Colonel.

Geoff
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 23:21
Yes, I've won from at least one side for every scenario.

I have more than enough wins. So, I'm puzzled.

I'm playing all Majors or better right now in hopes that will make a difference.

I'm thinking you must need to win 75% of the battles for each front (both sides). In these two, I have less than that.

Pacific/Axis: 4 of 7
Western/Axis: 11 of 16

This must have something to do with it.

EASTERN FRONT-AXIS-ALLIES
Battle of Warsaw-1-0
Breakout at Klin-4-0
Breakout to Lisyanka-1-3
Gates of Moscow-3-1
Ponyri-0-4
Red Barricades Factory-1-1
Rzhev-2-1
Suomussalmi-2-3
Total Eastern Front-14-13

PACIFIC FRONT-AXIS-ALLIES
Guam Landings-0-3
Japanese Counterattack-0-3
Matanikau River-0-2
Slopes of Mount Austen-1-2
Sugar Loaf and Half Moon-2-1
The Meat Grinder-5-2
Wake Island-4-0
Total Pacific Front-12-13

MEDITERRANEAN FRONT-AXIS-ALLIES
1st Armoured to the Rescue-1-0
Dug in at Sidi Omar-1-3
Escape via the Coastal Road-3-3
Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakem-2-1
Gallabat & Metemma-0-1
Hellfire Pass-1-1
Into the Cauldron-2-2
Montelimar-1-1
Panzers versus Grants-2-0
Sidi Rezegh Airfield-0-1
Toulon-1-1
Tunisia-1-0
Total Mediterranean Front-15-14

WESTERN FRONT-AXIS-ALLIES
Arnhem Bridge-1-2
Arracourt-0-1
Counter-attack on Mortain-2-1
First Assault Wave-1-1
Juno Beach-1-1
Liberation of Paris-0-1
Mont Mouchet-2-1
Operation Cobra-1-2
Pegasus Bridge-0-1
Point-du-Hoc-0-1
Sainte-Mere-Eglise-0-1
Saverne Gap-1-1
St Vith-1-1
Sword Beach-1-1
Twin Villages-1-0
Vassieux-1-0
Total Western Front-13-16
Grand Total-54-56

Wins-110
Losses-72
Pct-60.4
Rank-Major
Rating-1626
Battles-182

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Re:Promotion Requirements Fri, 08 July 2011 23:35
Today, I was promoted to Major exactly after my 20th victory from promotion to Captain. After only 80 total battles, I do not believe I have done anything else but win 20 games against a variety of ranks after promotion to Captain.

Just a little 'bump' for those younglings trying to climb the ranks quickly.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 17:14
I just compared my wins versus our dear Turboheizer's. At game 225, Turboheizer was promoted to Lt Colonel; after a loss.

Turboheizer is my idol by the way...(since he made Lt Colonel at 225 games and Colonel at 473) Laughing

After my analysis of Turbo's career to that point, game 225, he had at least 1 win for both sides for 3 of the 4 fronts. The front he did not have all of the wins was Pacific; which doesn't surprise me in the least.

In fact, Turboheizer had no wins at all for either side for the below battles: (not that he couldn't have won them)

Japanese Counterattack
Sugar Loaf and Half Moon
The Meat Grinder

However, this is contrary to Lt Colonel Stevens path. He had 1 win for every side on every front except Pacific but was not promoted until nearly 1000 games; once he had a win in each scenario for both sides, all fronts he was finally promoted to Lt Colonel.

Have the promotion rules changed mid-stream?

There appears to be some randomization going on or it seems more difficult for one person to be promoted than another?

But, it looks as though I have some wins to pick up in any event.

UPDATE: I just realized maybe the three scenarios above were not playable at the time.....so it seems at least 1 win in every scenario both sides, applies to Lt Colonel as well as Colonel.

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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 19:27
For what it is worth, I received a promotion to Lt. Col. today and these are my observations--
-I had 10 or more wins on each side in each theater that were earned after my promotion to Major and I was "still" a Major.
-Prior to the promotion, I had 10 wins as the Axis in the Pacific Theater. All other sides in all other theaters had more than 10 wins.
-I was promoted after winning The Meat Grinder on the Axis side. This made the 11th victory. The victory was earned against another Major. It was not the first time I had won as the Axis in this scenario.

So, I don't know if beating a Major was a factor but perhaps you need more than 10 victories in each theater.

And I don't have a victory from each side in each scenario, so that may not apply to Lt. Col.

Hope someone finds this helpful.

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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 20:16
My current theories for Lt. Colonel promotion are that you need 10 victories/side/front plus one of the following:

1) a certain minimum number of wins over majors (not coherent with Tabou's report...);

2) a victory over a Major after you complete the 10 victories/side/front (doesn't match Tabou either);

Everyone elses' reports are coherent with these.
Maybe Tabou had played new Mediterranean maps that wouldn't count and his final game was the 10th victory as one side in a valid map. Anyone knows if the Med front has ever had new maps inserted by DoW?
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sat, 09 July 2011 20:40
There seem to be some indications for the theory that only the eight scenarios with Desert Rules (from the Mediterranean Theater expansion pack) count towards the necessary number of wins, although the four other maps with a "Med." label appeared earlier. But until now, DoW has neither confirmed nor refused that theory.

The Mediterranean scenarios were introduced as follows:
18.11.2010 (Beta 10): Toulon, Montélimar
14.01.2011 (Beta 15): Gallabat & Metemma, Tunisia
10.02.2011 (Beta 17): Sidi Rezegh Airfield, Dug in at Sidi Omar, Panzers versus Grants, Escape via the Coastal Road
24.02.2011 (Beta 19): Hellfire Pass, 1st Armoured to the rescue
10.03.2011 (Beta 21): Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim, Into the Cauldron
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 10 July 2011 02:40
Thank you for that information, Turboheizer.

Actually, I searched the Forums for a complete list of maps which would be created along the M44 On-line application development (as oppose to those which are there from the start), but couldn't find it. Is there a place where I can find that info? Better yet, is there a list of maps which were available in the first beta version?

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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 10 July 2011 03:12
The first public beta had the 16 scenarios available in the base M44 games.

Scenarios were progressively added in subsequent beta releases.

      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 10 July 2011 03:41
JRyan wrote on Sat, 09 July 2011 13:27

For what it is worth, I received a promotion to Lt. Col. today and these are my observations--
-I had 10 or more wins on each side in each theater that were earned after my promotion to Major and I was "still" a Major.

And I don't have a victory from each side in each scenario, so that may not apply to Lt. Col.

Hope someone finds this helpful.



Thanks JRyan, if I need 10 plus victories, after becoming a major, my tally is below:

Axis Allies
Eastern 12 11
Western 12 10
Medit. 7 6
Pacific 11 13

That's net of the 4 battles in Mediterranean that don't count. I'm not sure if the two new battles on the Eastern Front count or not; I'd have 9-9 in that case.

At least I have confirmation, you don't need a victory for every scenario for both sides.

      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Sun, 10 July 2011 18:41
Thank you, Phread. I wasn't aware that there were so few scenarios in the first release.
      
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Re:Promotion Requirements Mon, 11 July 2011 01:40
These are my win totals, after becoming a Major:

Axis Allies
Eastern 11 11
Western 12 11
Mediter 12 12
Pacific 12 13

I must be getting awfully close. Maybe a win against a Major should seal it???

UPDATE: I just swept 2 games (into the cauldron) against a Major and still no promotion. Others have been promoted with similar victory totals?

My next guess is 12 victories per front and continue to play just Majors from here until promotion??? I think there's an element of randomization to being promoted that's making it difficult.

The frustrating thing is I could play 100 more games without knowing the 'secret element' that gets me promoted.

Two other factoids:

1) 39 of the 53 Lt Colonel's were promoted after a victory in the Pacific Front?

2) Of the 39 who earned promotion in the Pacific, 9 of those earned it beating another Major on The Meat Grinder Map???

It's too late to test this theory tonight....


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