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Samuel_Madrid
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New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Tue, 09 October 2012 22:15
Hi all.

I posted a new map of the Spanish Civil War ... This map represents the hard crossing the river ebro Republican Army through small bridges, footbridges.

I think it's a battle to play different and original in this memoir online .. Please tell me what you think when you plays several times.

Greetings to all.
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Wed, 10 October 2012 20:49
link to map Smile.

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=1152 1
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Wed, 10 October 2012 20:55
Usually instead of asking other people to review your battle several times and then give you feedback on it (which will cost them GI for each time they play), it's a good idea to test your battles extensively against Johnny and then post it when you know that it's really good and that it works the way you wanted it to.

Maybe you've already done that, but just in case...I thought I would give some friendly advice. Smile
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Thu, 11 October 2012 22:48
Samuel,

I have just played your scenario for the first time, and my comments (shared with my partner during the game) are :

- Republicans have a long way to do without any protection before hit seriously the Nationalists (except if Nationalist attack, but why doing that ?) : 3 hex to cross without protection with only 1 hex possible as movement is too much. Furthermore, Republicans have to cross unit per unit. So, lot of losts before kick nationalists with efficiency. => it's more difficult than Anhrem bridge
I think 2 hex of river to cross is enough and it would help to avoid than Nationalist are just waiting to shot on crossers.

- Elite Republicans troops have almost no interest because cannot move 2 hex and fight,

- Commissar rule is too much handicaping for Republicans, knowing my first comment,

- Reduce the Nationalist protections or troops could also help to get a game more opened. Or reduce medals for Axis side.

Otherwise, these comments apart, the idea to cross a big river to take medals is fun, and if a little bit re-designed, this scenario could be very fin to play.

Hope these comments will help you to improve again this scenario
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Fri, 12 October 2012 15:50
Hello Artimon.

your comment is typical when you've only played 2 times to this map ... I've played over 30 times this map with humans and won more often with Republicans ... The Republican attack must be deliberate and tactical but infinitely more like the map of Arnhen ..

The real story was so so the map can not be changed ... As you enter must play hard to master but if you do becomes the best map.

Regards and when you play 10-15 times with Republicans talk back Smile
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Fri, 12 October 2012 22:22
Samuel_Madrid wrote on Fri, 12 October 2012 17:50

Hello Artimon.

your comment is typical when you've only played 2 times to this map ... I've played over 30 times this map with humans and won more often with Republicans ... The Republican attack must be deliberate and tactical but infinitely more like the map of Arnhen ..

The real story was so so the map can not be changed ... As you enter must play hard to master but if you do becomes the best map.

Regards and when you play 10-15 times with Republicans talk back Smile


For a battle that isn't official, you're going to have a really hard time getting anyone to play your battle more than once or twice before they move on to other SFTF scenarios! If the battle is a tough one like Arnhem, people will not play it more than once and will likely rate it pretty low, I'm afraid.

Arnhem is an unpopular map to play and it's official! Smile If yours is harder than Arnhem, nobody is going to keep trying until they master the map...instead they might call it broken and pick another one. Razz
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Fri, 12 October 2012 22:39
Hi Rasmussen.

you've played this map? ... Please review before playing several times and then says ... is an original map that simulates the difficult crossing of the river Ebro in the Spanish Civil War.

Instead of criticizing both the reward should make these historical maps and truthful that are infinitely more complicated than for example Arhnem map.

Greetings.
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Fri, 12 October 2012 22:53
Samuel_Madrid wrote on Sat, 13 October 2012 00:39

Hi Rasmussen.

you've played this map? ... Please review before playing several times and then says ... is an original map that simulates the difficult crossing of the river Ebro in the Spanish Civil War.

Instead of criticizing both the reward should make these historical maps and truthful that are infinitely more complicated than for example Arhnem map.

Greetings.


Hi Samuel,

No I have not played the scenario and I understand that it simulates a difficult battle about the Spanish Civil War. It looks like an interesting map.

My comments are simply this:

In your first post you asked for feedback. A player (Artimon) tried your scenario and gave you some feedback about how he thought you could improve the design. You told him to play the battle 10-15 times and then he'll like it the way you designed it. My point is that players might not want to try your scenario more than once or twice even if it was perfectly balanced. If it is indeed harder than Arnhem for one of the sides, it will be less likely that players will want to play it more than once or twice.

I'm not saying it's a bad scenario. I haven't played it and I'm sure that you put lots of time into it; it looks great and you said you played it 30 times! But both Artimon and I are giving you feedback to help with your scenario design.

It's completely your choice in the end what you do with the scenario but my goal was just to help you. I'm sorry if I offended you at all. It was not my intention. Smile
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Mon, 15 October 2012 22:17
Currently the ratio is 75% in online for Republicans by 25 nationals. Quite contrary to what you said,

As I told you it's clear that the battle is not in favor of national and even less that resembles Arhnem map.

When people play the more you'll see as the ratio be equaled in the future.

A greeting.
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Mon, 15 October 2012 22:20
I add more data ... Currently the average is 7.5 medals for Republicans by 7 nationals.

I invite you to really play it because it is a different map to the currently created memoir.
      
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Re:New map online Battle of Ebro (Spanish civil war) Sat, 15 December 2012 13:53
I have played the scenario once form both sides and will not play it again in it's current form.

Why? Because I think it is boring.
It has been compared to Arnhem but, for me, it lacks all that makes Arnhem interesting. In Arnhem the Germans have a lot of tactical choices and can follow all kinds of different strategies, the Allies then need to formulate a response to the german tactics and antics.

Battle of Ebro:
For the boys crossing the river there are no tactical options. They have to move forward and hope for the best. It is their one and only option. So no choices for them, which makes it boring for them.

The opponent has a struggle to get his troops out of wire, hedges and other terrain, but then just has to sit there and massacre the crossing enemy. Also not a lot of choice which makes it boring for them also.

No surprise attacks just struggling with terrain and predictable tactics of your opponent is definitely different from what I experience as "currently created Memoir".


You will probably counter by saying I have to play the map several times, but as stated I feel the map has no tactical "niceties" it all depends on cards and dice. If I want that I can play other games than M44.

Furthermore you state that it is now historically accurate and you will not change the map, which is your right. But don't expect me to spend credits to play a scenario in which, apparently, I cannot see or find the challenge.

On a last note the rules state that some towns are medal objectives for the Nationalists, but the names of the towns are obscured by the infantries upon them. Maybe it would be better to put the names of the towns next to the towns instead of in them.
      
    
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