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Dietrich von Kleist
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70 years ago in history Thu, 16 May 2013 12:33
This night (may 16-17) it's 70 anniversary of the Dambuster raid. A pitty we can't make scenarios like this for M44.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cM8w98HLVDA/Tbg6nN745WI/AAAAAAAAABQ/gribCvXiEZg/s1600/operation_chastise.jpg

http://www.itv.com/news/2013-05-16/70th-anniversary-of-617-s quadrons-famous-dambusters-wwii-raid-operation-chastise/

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Re:70 years ago in history Thu, 16 May 2013 13:28
Thanks for the History lesson Dietrich. I recently saw an episode of Foyles War where a lab helping to work on the bombs was the scene of murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foyle's_War_(series_five)

"Casualties of War"

Good fun.

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Re:70 years ago in history Thu, 16 May 2013 15:45
stevens wrote on Thu, 16 May 2013 15:28

Thanks for the History lesson Dietrich. I recently saw an episode of Foyles War where a lab helping to work on the bombs was the scene of murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foyle's_War_(series_five)

"Casualties of War"

Good fun.


I love Foyles War!! What a great show. I'll have to dig those up and watch them again! Cool
      
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Re:70 years ago in history Thu, 16 May 2013 18:58
rasmussen81 wrote on Thu, 16 May 2013 09:45

stevens wrote on Thu, 16 May 2013 15:28

Thanks for the History lesson Dietrich. I recently saw an episode of Foyles War where a lab helping to work on the bombs was the scene of murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foyle's_War_(series_five)

"Casualties of War"

Good fun.


I love Foyles War!! What a great show. I'll have to dig those up and watch them again! Cool


I watch them on NETFLIX. it has detective story and WWII history what could be better.

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Re:70 years ago in history Fri, 17 May 2013 12:10
Nothing to be proud of, IMHO. 1000 Russian PoWs and forced laborers killed, 500 German women and children killed, no substantial damage to the armament industry of the Ruhr. The whole story has been hugely inflated by that 1950s propaganda movie and the ever-returning pseudo-heroic stories of the "Sun" and "Daily Mail" (*yawn*). By the way, the movie is AWFUL. Laughing
      
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Re:70 years ago in history Fri, 17 May 2013 12:23
The technology - the bouncing bomb - was clever and they were bravely delivered by the bomber crews.

The relevance of the mission to the war effort can be debated, that goes for a lot of bombing during the war. Easier to be critical in retrospect.

      
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Re:70 years ago in history Fri, 17 May 2013 15:33
Something to be extremely proud of IMHO.

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Re:70 years ago in history Sat, 18 May 2013 18:47
I'm very Proud.
The affect on moral for both sides was Huge.

I would have loved to be back in Sheffield to watch the fly over.

GSTQ






      
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Re:70 years ago in history Sun, 19 May 2013 08:31
633 Squadron is a better film.


However both films have somewhat warped the perception of Bomber Command's work, because the stroy in both cases is one of elite squadrons using special weapons against pin-point targets with a discernable result.


That's the exact opposite of what actually happened which is night area bombing with each crew acting independently and no immediate concrete result. However we'll probably never get a good film about Bomber Command doing that simply because it's hard to construct a narrative about it.
      
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Re:70 years ago in history Tue, 28 May 2013 23:11
Powell wrote on Sat, 18 May 2013 12:47

I'm very Proud.
The affect on moral for both sides was Huge.

I would have loved to be back in Sheffield to watch the fly over.

GSTQ


Well actually that is not entirely true. Strangely enough, those on the other end of those bombing raids usually increased their resolve against their enemies.

Then there was the moral issue of killing so many civilans by the use of area bombing employed by both Harris and LeMay. Even many Allied military leaders questioned the use of such raids. LeMay himself admitted that if the Allies lost the war he probably would be tried as a war criminal.

Harris thought he could end the war by such raids when he began his all out campaign in late 1943. He thought wrong.


      
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Re:70 years ago in history Wed, 29 May 2013 00:00
Lets not focus on the policy makers. The pride I as a Brit feel is for the brave aircrew who actually flew this mission with such skill and élan.

Each nation on either side during WW2 can lay claim to certain events that fills them with pride and respect for their participants. The Dambusters is one of the many. I could list many more, all of which resulted in innocent and unfortunate deaths.

Sometimes the end does justify the means.

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