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 Thema: MEMC SEMIFINAL GROUP G
Sysyphus - Pommard
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Re:MEMC SEMIFINAL GROUP G Tue, 02 September 2014 02:57
Thanks all for your time, it was greatly appreciated Smile

And thanks also to Hecki : being scared of me makes us watch the final together Twisted Evil

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Taka Goupil Hermitage
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Re:MEMC SEMIFINAL GROUP G Tue, 02 September 2014 08:10
Thanks all Razz Thanks to you I get back to #2...
Too bad Tus Tho does not play MEMC Wink

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 Thema: Nations cup 2014 : registration open 'til Aug. 31st
AAA_dea1
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Re:Nations cup 2014 : registration open 'til Aug. 31st Tue, 02 September 2014 11:38
Sysyphus - Pommard schrieb am Mon, 01 September 2014 17:33

Several things :

1. The spirit of the rule
In 2008, some American players were allowed to form a TNT on an American basis with Neven Subotic as a captain...

We can not allow Germans, Americans nor French to be part of a TNT. If you are rejected by 3, 4... 6 teams, that means that you are likely a nuisance for the community and that you should not play NC.
However, we can not say that Hecki is a nuisance. NC does not need a TNT when a national team can be formed.



I don't agree here.
From my point of view it is absolutely OK to allow overhangs of (big) nations to go TNT.
In the past we allowed people who WERE a nuisance to go TNT because their country rejected them.
Now we are thinking about disallowing those who are no nuisance? Sorry, that's weird.

What if 2-3 new Austrian players came along. Am I morally forced to take them on my team (building an 8 player team where people are unhappy to sit out so often) because otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to play at all?
OK, that's a different case, because Austria has only one team ..
But where's the boundary? Italy has 2 teams - what to do with the next 3 Italians that may come?

1) Yes, the spirit is to have national teams.
2) Yes, everyone should try to build/join a national team instead of saying "why so much effort, I can always go TNT".
3) Yes, everyone should try to help his country to build many national teams (= I understand the appeal to the captains of big teams to maybe initiate a switch of one of their players to another team in need where they could also play more matches).

If
1) was understood,
2) was done and
3) just isn't happening (or cannot happen),
there's nothing wrong with overhangs going TNT in my eyes.
      
Truckerteller
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Re:Nations cup 2014 : registration open 'til Aug. 31st Tue, 02 September 2014 11:54
AAA_dea1 wrote on Tue, 02 September 2014 11:38


I don't agree here.
From my point of view it is absolutely OK to allow overhangs of (big) nations to go TNT.

What if 2-3 new Austrian players came along. Am I morally forced to take them on my team (building an 8 player team where people are unhappy to sit out so often) because otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to play at all?
OK, that's a different case, because Austria has only one team ..
But where's the boundary? Italy has 2 teams - what to do with the next 3 Italians that may come?




That's in the rules, right?
Captain or team declares itself full, other 3 players may form a TNT. I actually suggested this to Italy and Tyrana's US team who felt they weren't complete, but managed to get enough players later on.

But for all the teams to say they're complete, one should first have a discussion, no ? When there were two Austria teams, did you all discuss how to handle things ? I discussed this with Tyrana and with Qorlas, we managed to find eachother.

If Germany can manage close to 40 players to play NC and lots of players and captains have been around for many years and many NC's, is it too much to ask to have some discussions via PM and via the forum ?

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AAA_dea1
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Re:Nations cup 2014 : registration open 'til Aug. 31st Tue, 02 September 2014 12:36
Truckerteller schrieb am Tue, 02 September 2014 11:54

When there were two Austria teams, did you all discuss how to handle things ?

I must admit, I had the egotist approach here.
I set up my team at my usual timeline (= before 50% of the players have even realized there'll be an NC Wink ) and declared it complete. Period.

I never had the intention to be an all-over-Austria-organizer (and I also don't think people would have wanted me to be that).

As I was always in favour of small teams
-) because I believe that most players are not happy when they have to sit out - at least for myself that's clearly the case
-) because I hate having to take the decision who is/isn't allowed to play in the knockout / in the final (if we ever get there again)
I never had the situation to have "spare" players the other team would have needed.
Had that been the case, I guess I would have tried to find someone who is OK to switch teams.