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More on uchronia? Thu, 16 August 2007 01:58
It seems back in November 2006 and maybe a couple of times since that DoW has set people's understandings straight by explaining that the "world" of Battlelore is a uchronia. I think I would like to know if DoW has any more to say on it or even the concept of uchronia itself as it relates to the product and promise that they are selling that is BattleLore.

Since purchasing and playing BattleLore dozens of times, I've read many people's posts lamenting the lack of a fully fleshed out fictional world in which the game takes place. To date I'm not sure if I've seen DoW address these feelings other than by saying that there are much more important things for them to be working on. And I agree, but I've begun to wonder if by calling it a uchronia, they are in essence trying to avoid any such expectation on the part of their customers.

I get a sense that DoW is content to call it a "uchronia of the late middle ages" and simply have done with it. But I also get a sense that a definite part (not all) of the customer base is expecting something more. Basically I'm trying to understand what we should realistically be expecting in this regard. And if DoW doesn't yet know, maybe people would be just a little more satisfied if they addressed the idea of this uchronia a little more overtly and explicitly.

Anybody agree?
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Thu, 16 August 2007 03:39
We know the need is there and hear you all: We will flesh out the background & explain dwarves, gobbos and many other things... over time!

To keep things in perspective though, the base game itself has just been out for 9 months and we're still busy laying some of the core foundations.

So while we do have a desire to flesh the background out and released fully fleshed out adventures as initially promised, this needs to be balanced with finishing getting the other core elements (Heroes in particular) out.

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Re:More on uchronia? Thu, 16 August 2007 06:12
And heroes in particular are what I am personally most looking forward to next! Cool Thanks Eric for taking the time to address this topic. Sounds like there is lots to look forward to.
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Thu, 16 August 2007 13:44
In the past I've been playing Magic the Gathering for quit some time. What I can remember the guys at Wizards set a theme and then some author writes a novel about it.

Hiring a professional writer or giving one a assignment is one way to do this but maybe their is someone in the community that is able to take this on.

How about our beloved Raven?

If a good writen novel about the BattleLore era comes out, I will definitely buy it.

Dow could even be issuing a contest ...

Eric ?
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Thu, 16 August 2007 21:09
eric wrote on Wed, 15 August 2007 18:39

We know the need is there and hear you all: We will flesh out the background & explain dwarves, gobbos and many other things... over time!

To keep things in perspective though, the base game itself has just been out for 9 months and we're still busy laying some of the core foundations.

So while we do have a desire to flesh the background out and released fully fleshed out adventures as initially promised, this needs to be balanced with finishing getting the other core elements (Heroes in particular) out.

eric


Please (DOW) forgive us (customers) for being so pushy with the game development. Battlelore has struck a chord with a lot of us, so we've eagerly consumed everything Battlelore-ish and we're ready for more Very Happy .

      
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Re:More on uchronia? Thu, 16 August 2007 23:34
A fiction competition is a good idea, Scragnoth - I'm not a professional writer, but I'd certainly like to have a crack at it myself. I did manage a sci-fi novel a couple of years back (available in my ebay shop, if anyone's interested) Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Fri, 17 August 2007 10:20
Well for an uchronian world just look here, it's in french, but it looks so awesome:
http://beith-caradan.over-blog.fr/

you'll find more infos in the french forum (in french of course)
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Fri, 17 August 2007 11:21
It does look great - wish I could read French. I suppose I could put the lot through Babelfish, but what comes out would be anyone's guess Laughing
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Fri, 17 August 2007 12:41
It looks really great, but since the text is all captured in pictures Bablefash can't handle it.

So it will remain a mystery what its is about. But boy, does it look good...
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Fri, 17 August 2007 14:41
WOW. There is a paper model castle at the end of the piece. If only I could read French.

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Re:More on uchronia? Fri, 17 August 2007 17:46
So, that looks like an official publication of some sort ... I am very curious as to what it is and where it came from. Did DoW perhaps release that in France? Or is this something purely fan based? If only fan based, then wow, someone has much more free time than I do.

[Updated on: Fri, 17 August 2007 17:47]

      
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Re:More on uchronia? Fri, 17 August 2007 17:58
The question remains: Is there someone out there that can translate it into english???
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Fri, 17 August 2007 19:04
céro wrote on Fri, 17 August 2007 01:20

Well for an uchronian world just look here, it's in french, but it looks so awesome:
http://beith-caradan.over-blog.fr/

you'll find more infos in the french forum (in french of course)



Shocked WOW Shocked

I think this is what some people have been clamoring for. It's got story, it's got siege stuff, it's got dragons, and umm...mammoths(?). Wow.

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Re:More on uchronia? Fri, 17 August 2007 19:09
The other issue of course is, if it's fan-based, does it fit seemlessly with the Uchronia game world as envisaged by DoW? Fan fiction and histories are great, but would be much better if they didn't conflict with, rather added to, the richness of the official milieu.

Traveller provided a fairly well developed background and history, and then allowed fans to create and flesh out their own worlds/ star systems/ sectors. In a limitless universe this is easy - you just tag onto what the last guy's done. Uchronia could be limitless in this way, but maybe that's not what DoW intend.

I've seen one game system use a mirror image of the map of Europe, and that in itself was effective in creating the sense of a uchronia.
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sat, 18 August 2007 19:43
Well I was discussing this (beating to death really Very Happy)
on another thread & was directed here.It's nice to know DoW
is going to follow through & provide De Beef.

Still its buying a house randomly a room at a time Laughing
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sat, 18 August 2007 21:56
Someone could earn their geek-stripes and type that website into Babelfish... Shocked
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sat, 18 August 2007 23:13
Yep - Heroes / duels / dragons and elves and a model castle Smile

and for those who really fancy a challenge.... a painting guide as well !!!
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 08:51
I wouldn't mind translating a page or 2 and if others could do the same it shouldn't be too hard. If you ask one person to do this, it might take quite some time.

And since I'm still painting the minitures I opt for just 2 pages. Razz

Don, would it be an idea to divide and collect it within the yahoo groups site?
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 10:21
Definitely looks interesting.

Also I'm curious how you folks found something like this..I certainly hope someone felt board and typed in "Battlelore" in Google and looked at all those sites!

And never ceases to amaze me how some people can remember some obsecure item like uchronia for Battlelore and remind others a few months later!

Cab
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 11:47
Delighted to host any translations or fiction on the website (address below). Just send me anything as a file and I'll make a folder for it in the files section.

battleloremaster.com may be willing to do the same

Don Smile
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 12:23
This may be a bit of a simple question as I am a new owner of battlelore.

I understand the Dwarves as Scots idea.

Who are the Goblins supposed to be? I can't think of anyone obvious??

Ta

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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 13:46
I reckon they're based on the more goblinesque LoTR film orcs, especially the orc that gets stomped by Treebeard. If so, they're cockney - Londoners, that is. That also fits with their attachment to the English armies. I imagine they have a vibrant sub-culture on the mean streets of medieval London.
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 15:20
Can't think of anyone obvious?!

Moors in Spain... Arabs in Granada...

      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 15:23
Captain Kremmen wrote on Sun, 19 August 2007 06:23

This may be a bit of a simple question as I am a new owner of battlelore.

I understand the Dwarves as Scots idea.

Who are the Goblins supposed to be? I can't think of anyone obvious??

Ta
Andy



Good question.....from the Battles in the rule book
they appear to Spanish(Castile)which allied with England .
Yet other descriptions & their dress appear to be Moorish?
( ok the Moors did have a great deal of influence as
they controled much of Spain until just before the time
in which BL is set so maybe it was too soon to change
outfits.

This is one of the reasons why I wish DoW would get on with the background.

OD
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 15:28
great minds, Old Dwarf
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 15:51
Fair comment - they first appear in the Burgos battle.

Mind you, they could have got those Moorish togs down Camden market...
      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 16:04
My favourite answer is Cockneys, i rather imagine them running their own dubious underground goblinoid culture in the midst of old london town.

Spanish seems reasonable

Moorish maybe even more so (pun intended)

Andy

      
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Re:More on uchronia? Sun, 19 August 2007 18:31
--JP wrote on Sun, 19 August 2007 09:28

great minds, Old Dwarf



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