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Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Wed, 05 December 2007 01:22
We are now taking pre-orders in the US DOW webstore for the new BattleLore Scottish Wars Expansion. It is expected to ship the last week of December. Click the following link if you'd like to place your pre-order:
https://www.daysofwonder.com/en/buy/?family=BL&groupp=Sc ottish

For more information on the expansion, visit the Scottish Wars webpage at:
http://www.daysofwonder.com/battlelore/en/content/scottish

Note: Scottish Wars pre-orders in Europe will not be available until January.

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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Thu, 06 December 2007 21:02
I'm curious -- why include four more spearbearer units? I'm sure it's to support the included scenarios, but do we really need six spearbearer units between the dwarven expansions? A couple more axe swingers would have been nice instead, just to even up the units a bit.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Thu, 06 December 2007 23:04
Not everyone will buy every expansion and thus the reason you probably stated - to support the scenarios that are in the expansion.

Since this expansion is a "Scottish" theme and thus using the dwarfs as Scots (although I suspect the Scottish people don't think of themselves as such!) and thus it would make sense to have some spearbearers in the expansion.

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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 07 December 2007 00:03
Caboose wrote on Thu, 06 December 2007 23:04

Not everyone will buy every expansion and thus the reason you probably stated - to support the scenarios that are in the expansion.

I really don't hope DoW is planning to go too much into the "not everyone is going to buy everything" area.
I didn't buy the Goblin Skirmisher expansion as I felt the goblin band was redundant, having bought the Marauders exp. already. While I would really like to get those goblin spear-men, I felt the price was too high compared to what the package contained.
Now they apparently send out an expansion with more already released miniatures, mixed in with new ones. I find it frustrating not to be able to buy an "entire" army without having to pay for duplicate units, that will rarely, if ever, see playing time.
If they made historical/thematic expansions containing only units of already released miniatures, to support the scenarios, it would be fine by me. But right now it feels like a blind buy. That dwarven cavalry sounds nice, but will it be the only way to get those units or will they be featured in another expansion as well? Is the new human cavalry a special Scottish unit, only to be featured in this expansion, or will it show up later in some other box?
I might be missing the obvious, but I can't see the big picture in the releases right now.
I would really like to buy every type of unit available to the game, but I'm not willing to buy redundant pieces. This means I'll be dropping certain boxes and holding back on buying others, until more releases have come out. Am I the only one who feels so?

On the other hand, maybe the coming expansion will feature new types of Specialist Cards, making extra Spear Bearers necessary!
I hope to find out most of my post is unfounded...
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 07 December 2007 00:17
well im looking forward to the new exp Razz
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 07 December 2007 00:55
Roobarb wrote on Thu, 06 December 2007 17:17

well im looking forward to the new exp Razz

ditto. I am not too worried there are duplicates. It prevents me from having to buy 2 copies of everything Wink
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 07 December 2007 01:30
Well I looking forward to, since there seems to be a theme with it plus the 100 year war one. And there have been very few duplications so I'm not worried about it.

Of course I was hoping for the Heroes being out by Xmas but I know that won't happen.

Cab
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 07 December 2007 03:33
I don't know about you guys, but I'm sensing that this latest expansion will kinda balance things out;

We started off with the base set, which had plenty of humans, a bit of goblins and a bit of dwarves.

Now we've got two "goblin" expansions, which makes them a little less vulnerable and gives them that extra edge.

And we got one "human" expansion, which is plenty since we already had a good variety

But so far, only one "dwarf" expansion.

So when you look at the upcoming "Scottish Wars" expansion, it seems logical that DOW chose to introduce it before the Heroes and other stuff, as the three armies are now much more balanced (in numbers I mean)

I sure hope we can now move on to something else other than more troop expansions.

Although other races could be interesting later on
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 07 December 2007 06:46
I'm hoping that the releasing of lots of dwarves and goblin units is leading up to race specific cta decks...
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 07 December 2007 09:02
toddrew wrote on Fri, 07 December 2007 00:46

I'm hoping that the releasing of lots of dwarves and goblin units is leading up to race specific cta decks...


I TOTALLY second that
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 07 December 2007 23:15
I don't see duplicate units as a problem at all. As an former very loyal Games workshop player I am still astonished at how little this war game costs to play. Getting four units for 16- 20 dollars is still an amazing deal to me. Comparing this to other games where half of a unit can run you 30-50 dollars, I am still super excited about this expansion. 42 figures for 30 dollars is pretty awesome. while i would like DOW to issue blister pack similar to GW say four dollars per unit I don't think it is economically feasible.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Sat, 08 December 2007 13:06
sage4506 wrote on Fri, 07 December 2007 23:15

42 figures for 30 dollars is pretty awesome.

16 of those 42 figures are "old" figures. I can't see how that is awesome. Unless We are given cards to field them in new ways, that is.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Sat, 08 December 2007 20:37
Hello!

MarkoPolo schrieb

Note: Scottish Wars pre-orders in Europe will not be available until January.


We, in Europe have to be patient.

Crying or Very Sad

But it is worth of it.

BR

Pomakli
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Sun, 09 December 2007 09:38
pomakli wrote on Sat, 08 December 2007 19:37

Hello!

MarkoPolo schrieb

Note: Scottish Wars pre-orders in Europe will not be available until January.


We, in Europe have to be patient.

Crying or Very Sad

But it is worth of it.

BR

Pomakli


all good things and that
saying that my british exp will have to be prity awsome to be worth the wait
WHO SED THAT
who sir me sir no sir
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 14 December 2007 15:17
I´m so curious about the knights and the clan leaders.

All I wish for for christmas is that there would be a blog entry with just some small hint about their mechanichs...

please, please, please, santa

[Updated on: Fri, 14 December 2007 15:17]

      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 14 December 2007 15:23
diaper wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 08:17

I´m so curious about the knights and the clan leaders.

All I wish for for christmas is that there would be a blog entry with just some small hint about their mechanichs...

please, please, please, santa

Why not just wish to have the expansion? Usually once it goes up for pre-order, it should be shipping within a month.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 14 December 2007 15:58
Pre-orders in Europe doesnt start until january...
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 14 December 2007 16:04
also, some info about how the bull riders work would be very welcome under the christmas tree


Smile
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 14 December 2007 16:10
diaper wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 08:58

Pre-orders in Europe doesnt start until january...


Then make it an Orthodox Christmas wish! Wink
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Sat, 15 December 2007 19:37
I m with dbc on this one, its rather annoying to have duplicate figures in a new expansion.

What in earth will i do with all those spearbearers?

I was rather exited about this release but with all the duplicates I ll keep my money in my pocket till I know what DOW are doing with their next "expansions".

      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Tue, 18 December 2007 01:51
Dragonsbane wrote on Sat, 15 December 2007 13:37

I m with dbc on this one, its rather annoying to have duplicate figures in a new expansion.

What in earth will i do with all those spearbearers?





If they're too big a burden for you to bare, I will willingly sacrifice myself and accept them as my own and free you from your misery Very Happy
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Thu, 27 December 2007 10:48
The american web-store now says Scottish wars ships in 24 hours.
Has anybody got their pre-ordered copies yet?

[Updated on: Thu, 27 December 2007 10:48]

      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Thu, 27 December 2007 11:34
diaper wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 03:48

The american web-store now says Scottish wars ships in 24 hours.
Has anybody got their pre-ordered copies yet?

I got UPS notice that an order was shipped on Monday. But because of the holidays, today is the first day I can actually see the status. looks like it will be delivered tomorrow.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Thu, 27 December 2007 13:55
ColtsFan76 wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 10:34

diaper wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 03:48

The american web-store now says Scottish wars ships in 24 hours.
Has anybody got their pre-ordered copies yet?

I got UPS notice that an order was shipped on Monday. But because of the holidays, today is the first day I can actually see the status. looks like it will be delivered tomorrow.



do let us know if the cow riders bases are back to frount or not
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 05:51
I also don't understand this issue with the "duplicates" ie same troops in different packs. What is the reason for this?
Why don't they put similar units together, in bigger quantities?
For example, the Dwwarven pack could have included all those "extra" spearmen duplicates, as I feel they belong there.

I don't like that we are buying duplicates again and again. And this will become worse once the new placement decks are race-exclusive, ie having a deck for dwarves ONLY, etc...

After the initial BIG excitement of the base set a year ago, with its great value, nice rulebook, and all other different bits, I find that there's not so much to the expansions so far. Units differing mainly in that they move one space extra or not, and roll one die more or less in combat. No new mechanics have been introduced since Call to Arms and Epic allowed us to more or less field our troops on the battlefield and get two boards together respectively.

Yesterday Confrontation: The Age of Rag'narok, by Rackham, was released, and it HAS a captivating universe already, streamlined rules(it's the 4th version) and better yet, it comes with big pre-painted miniatures. I will order it next year(yeah, next week Rolling Eyes ) and see what happens in relation to BL. I really think BL needs its Heroes NOW.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 09:07
echtalion wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 06:51


I don't like that we are buying duplicates again and again. And this will become worse once the new placement decks are race-exclusive, ie having a deck for dwarves ONLY, etc...

After the initial BIG excitement of the base set a year ago, with its great value, nice rulebook, and all other different bits, I find that there's not so much to the expansions so far. Units differing mainly in that they move one space extra or not, and roll one die more or less in combat. No new mechanics have been introduced since Call to Arms and Epic allowed us to more or less field our troops on the battlefield and get two boards together respectively.


I agree with Echtalion. Just adding a few new units together with some old ones and calling it a new expansion is getting REALLY old. I love this game, I rate it a 10 and I have every expansion but I am not happy with buying the same figures all over again just to get a few new ones.

...and I don't know how everyone else feels about this but my brain keeps telling me...
HUMAN Heavy Lancers in a DWARVEN expansion = "dirty" marketing trick from DOW
...I really really hope this is not the case... I am certainly going to buy this expansion but as I respect DOW and its games I want DOW to respect me and not try to trick me.

Deep down I'd like to think all those Dwarven Spearmen will form the core of the Dwarven-only army to come. I assume that Scottish Wars is another one of those "foundation of Battlelore" expansions we were told 8 months ago.

These are my thoughts about DOW expansion policy thus far. I don't like being a whiner, the game is great but negative points need to be discussed in order for DOW to have a better point of view on what-to-do-next.

I second that BattleLore needs its Heroes now. New mechanics are always more welcomed than new units with a few modified abilities.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 15:03
I'm quite happy if it comes with a few extra units. I don't have huge amounts of money to pour into this game, and feel the best bang for my buck is going to be the larger expansions, rather than the smaller specialist packs. I can see myself buying the 100 days war or the scottish wars, but doubt I will ever get the smaller specialist packs, so I'm glad that I'm not screwed over for not buying everything. From their standpoint, it makes more sense too - if you release packs that require previous packs, then the base of people they can sell too gets progressively smaller and smaller.

And I wouldn't mind a few extra units anyways... I hate looking for that very last heavy infantry unit because the adventure uses every one and one of them didn't get put away properly... a few extra men means it's easier to find them to set up the game! Smile
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 15:40
anyone got their packages yet?
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 15:54
felkor wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 15:03

...but doubt I will ever get the smaller specialist packs, so I'm glad that I'm not screwed over for not buying everything.

The people who get "screwed" are not the casual player, but those who want a complete collection. Right now we see new packs released every now and then, with no idea of what units are to come. This is the second time the serious gamer/collector will have to pay for units already released!

felkor wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 15:03


From their standpoint, it makes more sense too - if you release packs that require previous packs, then the base of people they can sell too gets progressively smaller and smaller.


I disagree.
None of the expansions has required previous expansions so far, and I see no reason why it can't be done without dublicate units.

Since we don't know what plans DoW has for the game, it is diffucult to comment on the way it has been done so far. But if they wanted to take care of both the casual and serious players, why not simply release the whole Dwarven and Goblin armies as seperate expansions, and then release themepacks for those who just want a mixed expansion every now and then. Right now it looks like they do it in the opposite way!

felkor wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 15:03


And I wouldn't mind a few extra units anyways... I hate looking for that very last heavy infantry unit because the adventure uses every one and one of them didn't get put away properly... a few extra men means it's easier to find them to set up the game! Smile

So every expansion made for a game should feature extra cards/models/counters in case some of the gamers has lost some?
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 16:00
dbc- wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 08:54

felkor wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 15:03

...but doubt I will ever get the smaller specialist packs, so I'm glad that I'm not screwed over for not buying everything.

The people who get "screwed" are not the casual player, but those who want a complete collection.

As a collector myself, I sympathize. however, no one is getting screwed that doesn't want to. You don't *gasp* have to buy the expansion.

If you don't think buying SW is worth it because of all the spearbearers, then don't buy it. Since every one thinks DOW is going to keep duplicating units, then just wait for the next Dwarven expansion to come out where there is a safe bet we'll see new units with the duplication of the new units in SW in there!
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 16:07
What constitutes a "complete collection"? As far as figures go, I only have the base game and it has loads of duplicate figures. Having more just gives me more flexibility - if I have more spearmen, then I can design adventures that have more spearmen. I suppose I see this as a board game, rather than some sort of collectable, which gives me a different viewpoint. If my goal was to collect all the figurines, then I suppose I wouldn't be too excited about duplicates.

And it's true they -could- do the expansions so that they don't require previous ones and don't have duplicates, but that reduces the flexibility and creativity of the designers in what adventures they can include with the game. They clearly wanted some spearmen in the scottish wars adventures, so they either include more spearmen, or don't include them and not make the adventures the way they wanted, or they don't include them and have a good portion of their adventures not usable by many people that buy the pack. They chose the first option and I'd say I agree with it. Your suggestion would probably be the 3rd option, but for those of us who aren't going to buy every expansion, we don't really want to buy things that seem incomplete or just there to get us to buy yet -another- expansion. For instance, I was glad in the epic rules book, the one adventure has the hill giant in it, and if you don't have the hill giant, it points you to the rules for hill giants and tells you to substitute (rather than telling you to go out and get a hill giant.) I like that I don't feel forced to buy all the expansions. Again, I see this as a board game rather than a collectible, so that affects how I view this sort of thing.

And I haven't lost any of my figurines... but 200 is a lot, and they're not always the easiest to keep track of... an extra unit or two here and there can be a good thing!



      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 16:55
felkor wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 16:07

...but for those of us who aren't going to buy every expansion, we don't really want to buy things that seem incomplete or just there to get us to buy yet -another- expansion.

I'm not sure I understand...
If they had put out entire army expansions, and then made theme packs, would it not satisfy the both of us?
I would be able to get all the miniatures available, while you could buy the themed expansions with all the miniatures needed for the scenarios.
How would these boxes be incomplete compared to the theme packs available now?
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 17:00
ColtsFan76 wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 16:00


If you don't think buying SW is worth it because of all the spearbearers, then don't buy it. Since every one thinks DOW is going to keep duplicating units, then just wait for the next Dwarven expansion to come out where there is a safe bet we'll see new units with the duplication of the new units in SW in there!

If I could be sure this was going to happen, there would be no problem. But no-one but DoW knows what releases we'll see in the future!
But in general you are correct. This is why i did not buy the Goblin Skirmishers pack, as I did not want an extra band. But "sadly" there has been no expansion yet with dublicate Goblin Spearbearers... Razz
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 17:03
dbc - yes, that would satisfy both of us, that would be a fine idea. I think that would be great for fans, but perhaps not the best business choice for Days of Wonder (the extra time and money to make packages where chances are people won't buy both, they probably wouldn't see it as worth it.)

Still, I like that idea, I'm sure it would make a lot of people happy.

I think Days of Wonder is trying to get into that murky middle ground between being a pure boardgame and a collectable game. I think they've done a really good job of getting the best of both worlds, but in the end there are going to be people on each side that are going to be a bit disappointed with some decisions. As more of a pure boardgamer, I'd rather see them do one or two very large expansions each year, rather than several little mini-expansions that add little twists but don't change the game dramatically.

But I understand what Days of Wonder is going for, and I'll just enjoy what I have for now (base game plus CtA and Epic), and if I see something that strikes my fancy maybe I'll pick it up. If I had more people to play against on a regular basis (and more time to play on a regular basis) I might be more into collecting all the little bits of pieces, but at this stage in my life I wouldn't be getting my money's worth. The game is advertised as being geared towards people without a lot of time, and it's certainly less time consuming than Warhammer, but to get my money's worth out of all the little expansion packs, it's certainly more time-consuming than the majority of board games out there.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 21:45
Roobarb wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 06:55

ColtsFan76 wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 10:34

diaper wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 03:48

The american web-store now says Scottish wars ships in 24 hours.
Has anybody got their pre-ordered copies yet?

I got UPS notice that an order was shipped on Monday. But because of the holidays, today is the first day I can actually see the status. looks like it will be delivered tomorrow.



do let us know if the cow riders bases are back to frount or not

I can't find the original picture that was posted. So I'll try to give you a sketch as if you were looking at the unit from the top:

 _____
|    o|  Back
| \   |
|  \  |
|   \ |
|_____|  Front     


-The "o" is the hole for the Banner.
-The Diagonal Line is the plastic strip from the figure inserted into the base.

As you look at this, the Dwarf is looking towards the bottom of the page and to the right. So I would say this is correct and what you were all concerned about was the an error on a proof piece.

      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 22:08
Good news!

How do they work? What banner color are they?
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 22:13
Reviewing what we had in each expansion, I am not sure what the uproar is all about. We were only given 2 Units of Dwarven Spearbearers in the Dwarven Battalion. We now get four more in Scottish Wars so really, its more like DB is duplicating what we have in SW. And SW is a larger expansion - much like 100 Y/W was with a total of 12 units that can be fielded.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 23:50
ColtsFan76 wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 22:13

We were only given 2 Units of Dwarven Spearbearers in the Dwarven Battalion. We now get four more in Scottish Wars so really, its more like DB is duplicating what we have in SW.

It's still duplicates. Doesn't matter wether they come before or after another expansion...

Unless we get some new kind of Specialist Card, deploying more than two units, they will still be in excess, except when making custom scenarios.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Fri, 28 December 2007 23:56
So, since someone here has a copy of the new expansion for us to get the scoop from, what are the Dwarven Clan Chiefs? From the little we've seen, they look rather like the Red infantry from the base game...and unfortunately everything's a bit packed away right now, so I can't just pull out the rulebook and check if that's their name or not.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Pre-Orders now available Sat, 29 December 2007 00:16
diaper wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 15:08

Good news!

How do they work? What banner color are they?

Do you really want to know? Or do you want to find out when your copy arrives?
      
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