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  M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 01:35
Happy Xmas and have a great new year everyone Very Happy

I'm hoping that for one Xmas (hopefully very soon) that I may see a British Expansion in my Xmas stocking!

And after that I'd just like to see a miniatures pack (like Battlelore) representing Mobile Artillery, Snipers, Mortars etc.
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 07:34
I have a question. Please get me right and understand I am not taking a pot shot here, I just don't understand what all the hipe is about.

Why are there players that are so interested in the british nationality playing the game. On D-day Sword Beach was landed on by the British and Free French. Juno Beach was landed on by the Canadians. The British landed on Gold Beach. Omaha Beach was landed on by the Americans. Pointe du Hoc was landed on by the American Rangers, and Utah Beach was also landed on by the Americans.

There are many "official" scenarios published that are between the axis and allies where the allies are other nationalities. The very first scenario in every one of our books is called Pegasus Bridge what was taken by Major Howard and his British elite soldiers. Scenario three, Sword Beach, once again the British and Free French. There are many others.

I realize I am treading soft ground here, but can someone explain to me why there is so much discussion concerning other allied nationalities. We are playing with a piece of plastic that doesn't even look like my uncle who landed on Normandy and went all the way to Germany with the Americans. No one has said anything about Italian soldier expansions that I know of. Front expansions I can see changes due to rules that might affect the gaming capabilites of that area of battle.

Please, once again I am not meaning to ruffle feathers and create a problem. I just don't understand.

I know when I play I simply am playing axis and allies, regardless of which nation each is from.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 09:49
trumpetman52 wrote on Wed, 12 December 2007 20:34

I have a question. Please get me right and understand I am not taking a pot shot here, I just don't understand what all the hipe is about.


Oh man, you are going to stir up a hornet's nest! Rolling Eyes

But to seriously address the issue, I think people like having nation specific tanks, arty, etc. Plus the attraction of having official scenarios that are nation specific and the fact that there are a lot of British/European players. I have also seen somebody here mention they want a Brits and Its (Italians) expansion, so yes, Italy has been mentioned before as well.

Anyway, hope you are wearing your helmet!
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 10:42
I thought the idea was that a British expansion would increase the detail on theatres such as North Africa and the Italian campaign, and maybe deal as well with other units available such as the Free French North African troops, Polish units, and Italian-specific special forces. I theorise that simply because the Pacific Theatre, the Liberation of France, and the Great Patriotic War have their own expansions detailing the actions and theatre-specific rules, yet North Africa and Italy are as yet quite sparse in comparison.

Also, people want Tommies and maybe some sort of British tank, though I won't say which kind because honestly the debate will not end.
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 15:49
Major, I know exactly what you are saying and I have contemplated not even posting my question, But reading the posts as I have have have never really understood and have heard so many different thoughts. There are many battles already posted on official and SFTF that include many different nationalities. I guess I was wondering are people asking for additional playing pieces to simulate their wishes or are they asking for another expansion pack to cover their areas or what? I have heard many different thoughts on different postings. I.E. the next posting from Stavka227, Is there enough difference in the fighting tactics and terrain that would warrant an entire expansion pack? As I posted earlier the major difference in the infantry pieces is the color, which an easily be changed, the helmet, and how the weapon is being held. You can't tell a German from an American.

It is NOT MY INTENTION to open this up as a battlefield, believe me, and I do have my helmet on and I am already in my bunker, but I have seen so many postings on the subject, under different headers, that I never did get a clear picture of what people were asking for.

I know that DOW keeps up on these postings and they listen to what is being posted. Likewise, they are in a business to make money and I am sure they research what is requested concerning additional scenarios, fronts and playing pieces.

I just retired in September of this year and I love playing Memoir44. I know that so many people can only do so much. I don't know the status of the employees of DOW but from what I have seen I am pretty impressed with what they turn out.

Once again I did not intend for this to be offensive or downgrading to anyone at all. I am just wondering what people are thinking, Expansions, Scenarios, Playing pieces?????

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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 16:01
I think you're right, particularly regarding troop types and the like. Air Pack may have been worthwhile, with the addition of Air Rules, but you have a point relating to North Africa and Italy-specific rules. I mean, I can't think how different it would be, but I can see that North Africa and Italy both demonstrated very different types of wafare so I can't see how they'd represent that sort of thing.
For me, Memoir works best as a light, playable tactical game. I guess people could play any of those big boxes of tokens that comprise most wargames, or the newer, more focused Axis & Allies, or Tide of Iron if they want something longer and more detailed.
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 16:49
I think you are not offending anyone. Many people here wants British plastic pieces , a couple of scenarios ( north africa desert ) , a couple of nation rules too...

They would be happy with this...hehe..

But in fact, I must agree with you. People in DOW wants/needs to earn money. Otherwise they go bankrupted !!!

In fact , for me , is kind of difficult to preview which directions M44 is taking in 2008 .

Ok, they can release new scenarios. I think they will do that for sure as I read some comments in another thread.

DOW has covered almost the entire war . I would like to see more inside German . Specially a pack of destroyed Berlim with Soviets fighting to enter and to reach the Reichstag .

But what many people wanted to know..including me is :
- What is the future of M44 ? It does ends with Air Pack ? An Sea expansion is planned ?

Well...I think DOW has just finished the tremendous effort to put Air Pack in our hands. Let them rest for a couple of months.

We can only hope they do not give up M44 system . And hope much more they are having so good profits from it.

a hug..
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 19:38
Be cool if the British expansion bundled the Italians with it, too.
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 20:14
ill use mt telepatic powers..nnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..can any one tell what im thinking
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 22:39
As I've said before, I'm all for the British and Italians in a North Africa pack. Bring the ITs and Brits. Very Happy
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 23:04
Interesting...interesting. You guys bring up a good question and I'll have to keep thinking about it, but here is my off-the-cuff answer...

I want to see a British expansion because there are several areas I could see using new Nation rules (I remember someone talking about a rule called "Stiff Upper Lip") and several scenarios using British troops. Cool

It's true, there are battles and scenarios that use Brits, but I'm talking about things like Commando raids (way before the Americans joined the war), desert battles when they were being pushed back to Egypt, and now with the Air pack, many battles where the British or their colonies made up the army.

I don't know what it will look like in reality. Every time I've thought about what one of the expansions would be like, my dream always fell short...so I don't try to imagine it any more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe R. Borg said that the Brits are coming so it doesn't matter too much what our ideas are...they already have a plan and must think it will be popular enough to make money off it. Cool Very Happy

I can see some great things coming out of a British expansion and although it might not change the game as much as the Air pack, I look forward to seeing what DoW does with the concept. Smile
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 13 December 2007 23:20
i think it was eric in a web intervew but that could be a slipof the tounge
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Fri, 14 December 2007 14:42
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Mon, 17 December 2007 04:35
Hmmm...

Having spent a great deal of my gaming time in college in heated Axis & Allies battles while playing as the British army, I, for one, am most interested in Dow's appeasing Roobarb with their release of a standing Brit force. I can't wait to play some multi-board, combined forces scenarios of my own creation.

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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 11:58
Trumpetman52,

I would like a British Expansion because:

1. It would be fun

2. I'm an Australian, and I'm interested in gaming the early parts of the war such as Libya, Greece, Ethiopia, Burma and New Guinea. Then there is the other Commonwealth and Allied forces; the Canadians, Poles, Indians, South Africans, New Zealanders etc. Not everyone wants to play the Yanks Smile

Also Commando raids would be fun!

      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 14:31
I see all over the M44 forum, in many places, point out the fact that the game is abstract. The figures could represent a squad, a platoon, or hundreds of soldiers. On that same note a player could have these figures represent Americans, British, Canadians, Italians, or any nation. I see DoW has maps and tiles to represent country-side, snow-fields, deserts, jungle, and most things in between to represent a lot of war theaters.

My wish, is to get the East Front, Pacific Pack, Desert/Snow maps, and the Air Pack. As for my development wish list, I would like to see first a figure pack that would expand the game with advanced rules and figures. In it could be light armor vehicles, trucks, new artillery, different nationality tanks and figures representing MGs, commanders, Bazookas, and other equipped figures. My second development wish would be a war at sea expansion.

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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 15:37
if this is so why have a russian or a japanese exp and why have americans in the base set and not brits since they were in the war from 39 to the end
if thats so why use nation spesific figs at all
seeing as they are not useing generic playing pawns its about bloody time that the brit are represnted sorry but being asked to use american or russian playing pawns to represnt british is a slap in the face
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 16:18
well you set me off Rolling Eyes again Cool
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 17:20
Roobarb wrote on Wed, 19 December 2007 09:37

if this is so why have a russian or a japanese exp and why have americans in the base set and not brits since they were in the war from 39 to the end
if thats so why use nation spesific figs at all
seeing as they are not useing generic playing pawns its about bloody time that the brit are represnted sorry but being asked to use american or russian playing pawns to represnt british is a slap in the face


The Russian and Japanese are representing a different theater of operation I figure.

Ok, lets all get our Ethnicity and Race represented then. I want Native Americans in a future expansion Razz
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 17:55
[/quote]

The Russian and Japanese are representing a different theater of operation I figure.

Ok, lets all get our Ethnicity and Race represented then. I want Native Americans in a future expansion Razz [/quote]

ok take the piss why dont you so will i i dont remember any Native Americans runing about on hose back scalping and fiering arrows in ww2 is your american school system so out of sorts that you think that Native Americans made the same sacrafice as the british or maybe your just thick ? britan was one of the major powers in the war try reading a history book and try not to use hollywood as a frame of refrance

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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 18:12
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ok take the piss why dont you so will i i dont remember any Native Americans runing about on hose back scalping and fiering arrows in ww2 is your american school system so out of sorts that you think that Native Americans made the same sacrafice as the british or maybe your just thick ? britan was one of the major powers in the war try reading a history book and try not to use hollywood as a frame of refrance [/quote]

Evil or Very Mad I think you should reconsider that statement. Evil or Very Mad

One Allied person that died made as much a sacrifice as the next. They gave their ultimate gift, their life. Everyone who participated from the home-front to the war-front sacrificed daily. They were and are all important!
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 18:31
[quote title=Doc Halloween wrote on Wed, 19 December 2007 17:12

Evil or Very Mad I think you should reconsider that statement. Evil or Very Mad

One Allied person that died made as much a sacrifice as the next. They gave their ultimate gift, their life. Everyone who participated from the home-front to the war-front sacrificed daily. They were and are all important!

why should i ? you show utter contempt for my country with your flippent comments
i did not menshon single a person who died you did
how you can compair the british nations sacrafice to that of that of Native American nation is franckly obsured and insulting to me personaly if you sed that to my face youd be chocking on your teeth
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Wed, 19 December 2007 18:33
I agree that we really need a british expansion. There is just something wrong with placing Green figures on the desert map when deploying the Brits against Rommel. I have been tempted to use some of my flames of war British figures that I havnt based yet to get the right look. Would still need to use the green tanks and guns unless I can find some old Micro Armour figs the fit the board.
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 01:56
Gentlemen,

Let's turn the flame down a few notches on this discussion and return to a civil level of discourse. There is NO call for disparaging anyone's ethnicity in our forums.

Thank You,
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 02:49
Zotzz wrote on Wed, 19 December 2007 12:33

I agree that we really need a british expansion. There is just something wrong with placing Green figures on the desert map when deploying the Brits against Rommel. I have been tempted to use some of my flames of war British figures that I havnt based yet to get the right look. Would still need to use the green tanks and guns unless I can find some old Micro Armour figs the fit the board.



Now I agree with this wholeheartedly....much like it feels unatural to put US Infantry on the board to represent French Maquis, I'd much rather put tan British figs on derert boards representing Monty's brave troops. I also agree with Roobarb's comment that British figures have just as important a role to be on the board as Russian, Japanese, German, and US. It's time DoW to step up to the plate and at the very least state an intention to "consider" this as a future expansion....how can we not have the British represented by their own figures? And you guys are way overdue for French Maquis....I meam, come on guys! Your core rules have a lion share of scenarios with Maquis, alone!
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 03:46
This is embarassing, I was simply inquiring about figures, plastic figures, used for gaming purposes and this happens. I don't understand how tempers can rise to this level over a plastic toy.

I am working on a solution for my thoughts. I am looking at 1/72 scale soldiers from different companies that have all types of WWII soldiers available. Italeria seems to be one of the best suppliers.

Remember, WWII was fought by many people, nationalities, and countrys and yes, ethnic groups. They were all fighting for what was right as determined by their leaders. As a result of the outcome we have the freedom to speak as we do. Each group of people played an important role in the war and should be remembered and thanked for their operations.

Major Oracle, you were absolutely correct, what a hornet's nest was opened and from my point of view, for no reason.

Life is too short to be at odds with each other. We only go this way once. We do not get a second chance. Enjoy it while we are on the way and play Memoir as much as we can.

God Bless each of you and keep smiling. It makes people wonder what you've been up to

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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 04:42
Doc Halloween wrote on Wed, 19 December 2007 08:31


As for my development wish list, I would like to see first a figure pack that would expand the game with advanced rules and figures. In it could be light armor vehicles, trucks, new artillery, different nationality tanks and figures representing MGs, commanders, Bazookas, and other equipped figures.


I do not see where I set Roobarb off. I agreed that different nationalities should be represented. I was pointing out that the figures do not necessarily represent the USA all the time since the very first mission is honored with a British mission.

Roobarb wrote on Wed, 19 December 2007 11:55


ok take the piss why dont you so will i i dont remember any Native Americans runing about on hose back scalping and fiering arrows in ww2 is your american school system so out of sorts that you think that Native Americans made the same sacrafice as the british or maybe your just thick ? britan was one of the major powers in the war try reading a history book and try not to use hollywood as a frame of refrance


Roobarb wrote on Wed, 19 December 2007 12:31


why should i ? you show utter contempt for my country with your flippent comments
i did not menshon single a person who died you did how you can compair the british nations sacrafice to that of that of Native American nation is franckly obsured and insulting to me personaly if you sed that to my face youd be chocking on your teeth


Roobarb,

you read something into my OPINION that was not even there. You make racist comments about my people, insulted American school children, and imply the Native American people did not sacrifice during World War II.

My Paw-paw was in a POW camp. Nearly starved to death (he told us he had to eat dirt and pebbles). His mother was told he was dead (they had his funeral). Then in the 1980’s he died from his complications from his ordeal in the camp. That is just one Native American sacrifice example by my people. Native Americans had been nearly exterminated themselves then go and help the world when it needed it the most. DO NOT lecture me on sacrifice.

Threatening physical harm, though I know you would not come all the way to the U.S. to do so, should not be tolerated on this forum. I thought this forum expected EVERYONE to treat each other with respect. Unfavorable remarks at members or their opinions should not be tolerated.

There is something wrong if a person can not have a civilized opinion and then get trashed for it. I am going to chalk it up to you being upset about something and forgive and forget what you have said Roobarb Smile Lets move on. If not I think this is an indication that opinions are not welcomed and I will go else where to find my M44 answers.
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 06:20
I don't really want to get in the middle of this but Doc Halloween, you have to admit that if any country or nationality should be represented with their own figures it should be the one that fought the Germans the longest in World War 2...England / British.

We don't need to get personal on either end. Confused You have to realize that Roobarb has been looking for a British expansion for a long time and while the game is abstract, the Allied figures are definitely American troops. Roobarb has a good point when he said the base figures should be from the nation that was in the war from 1939 to the end.

I would agree that anyone who fought in World War II sacrificed more than most of us realize and everyone deserves respect and credit for their efforts in the war on a personal level. On a national level some countries sacrificed a lot more than others. Relatively speaking the United States escaped a lot of the terrors of the war. Russia lost the most people and all of the European nations were directly affected.

Personally, I wouldn't want to downplay any sacrifice that was made for the wellbeing of other people. Thank you to everyone who fought and died in the wars of this world. Smile

Merry Christmas everyone!! Razz
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 08:41
trumpetman52 wrote on Wed, 19 December 2007 21:46


I am working on a solution for my thoughts. I am looking at 1/72 scale soldiers from different companies that have all types of WWII soldiers available. Italeria seems to be one of the best suppliers.


That was my solution as well. I found a set of Revell WWII British Infantry (Set 2523) for just over $5 at my local hobby shop. If I am not mistaken, I believe they are basically Italeri figures repackaged as Revell.

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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 13:33
Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Our ideas will overcome your ideas.We are going to cut the country's whole value system to shreds. It isn't impotant that there are only 500,000 of us Indians ....What is important is that we have a suprior way of life. We Inians will show this country how to act human. Someday this country will reveise its constitution, its laws, in terms of human beings, instead of property. If red power is to be a power in this country it is because it is idelogical....What is the ultamate value of a man's life? That is the question.
Vine Deloria,Jr, 1971

what do i have i comon with these two great men we know who we are i dont think doc hlloween knows who he is he whants to call him self a Native American fine. but dont compair my great nation to meaningless words THAT is insulting to me pesonaly
in order to forgive there first be an apology and never forget or you will walk in to the same wall agin
thats all i have to say on this matter and will move on

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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 17:11
In case people have forgotten Eric did officially annuonce in a webcast that they would be releasing a British exp in 2008, followed by an equipment expansion, maybe more vehicles etc....

I am just excited about being able to try the Air Pack out for the first time tomorrow night.

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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Thu, 20 December 2007 17:31
Sniper wrote on Thu, 20 December 2007 08:11

In case people have forgotten Eric did officially annuonce in a webcast that they would be releasing a British exp in 2008, followed by an equipment expansion, maybe more vehicles etc....

I am just excited about being able to try the Air Pack out for the first time tomorrow night.

Game On!


I thought it was announced! Good times in the M44 world!! Very Happy
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Fri, 21 December 2007 13:04
Its only a game people...and its Xmas! Cool

I can wait until 2008 for a British Expansion, and the Equipment pack sounds awesome too! Wishing you all a good Xmas and a Happy New Year.
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Fri, 21 December 2007 14:28
Snorri Half-Troll wrote on Fri, 21 December 2007 12:04

Its only a game people...and its Xmas! Cool

I can wait until 2008 for a British Expansion, and the Equipment pack sounds awesome too! Wishing you all a good Xmas and a Happy New Year.


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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Fri, 21 December 2007 15:58
Roobarb wrote on Fri, 21 December 2007 08:28


ice hocky is only a game and pepole get hurt all the time


Anyone have a band-aid for my bloody nose Very Happy

Another, wish list could be a new set of command and tactic cards. DoW could sell them in trading card decks. Look how people are trading for those planes in the magazines.
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Fri, 21 December 2007 16:04
Doc Halloween wrote on Fri, 21 December 2007 14:58

Roobarb wrote on Fri, 21 December 2007 08:28


ice hocky is only a game and pepole get hurt all the time


Anyone have a band-aid for my bloody nose Very Happy

Another, wish list could be a new set of command and tactic cards. DoW could sell them in trading card decks. Look how people are trading for those planes in the magazines.


hear you go
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Fri, 21 December 2007 16:09
Thank you Smile Are we cool?
      
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Fri, 21 December 2007 16:11
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Coooool Cool
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Re:M44 Xmas Wishes Fri, 21 December 2007 16:23
Oh, I know everyone hates trading games. But, nationality booster packs and/or different equipped figures along with command and tactic cards. That is my last suggestion Embarassed
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I often view RPG/Grognard rules like the Pirate's Code. They are more like guidelines.
      
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