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Expansion Recommendations? Sat, 25 October 2008 03:44
Hello, all. I recently got Memoir '44 and I am interested in some of the expansions. I figure on getting the Eastern front, Pacific and Med expansions but I'd like a recommendation or two in favor of one more expansion that players here like. Ideally it would be something that can fit into the M44 box but that still has some depth to it. I am open for ideas.
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Sat, 25 October 2008 06:28
Hi, and welcome!

I'd recommend against trying to put the pieces from an expansion into the original Memoir box, if you might be buying additional expansions, because you're going to run out of space at some point, anyway. If you really want to, you could use plastic bags for the pieces and terrain hexes, instead of the molded tray.

Which expansion to buy first? Eastern and Pacific seem to be the two most popular answers. (Pacific is my favorite, because the special rules for the Japanese infantry and US Marines create a nice asymmetry between the sides.)

Mediterranean is still very new. I haven't played it enough to speak intelligently about it.

Enjoy!
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Sat, 25 October 2008 09:28
Leaving aside favourites, it occurred to me that there is some logic in buying the expansions in the order they were released, since each expansion was prepared to some degree with what had gone before in mind. That's not to say you can't buy the Med pack first and play it with just the base set, because you can, but you won't have the rest of the desert stuff like the board, the extra hills in the Airpack, and the fun desert terrain in the Terrain pack (none of which, I stress, are essential to play of the Med pack scenarios).

The other factor that has arisen with release of the Med pack in terms of choice is time. The Med pack scenarios set up and play quickly because of open lines of fire, little terrain (cover), and lots of tanks. The East has mines and wire and woods and so on, much like the western scenarios, so the East and West play a bit longer. I think possibly the Pacific scenarios generally play longest due to heavily dug in ('caved-in'? Very Happy) Japanese positions in some scenarios, though there's always the temptation to rush out and use that extra dice in a suicidal Banzai charge! The Airpack opens up fixed positions a bit, but you won't have that for a while if you're buying the expansions in order. The Terrain Pack is probably the least immediately useable, unless you love creating your own scenarios.

The Airpack is a fun buy adding a whole new twist to established scenarios, but expands the game vertically rather than horizontally. You do get a great scenario book, and the new rules they introduce on cards, but not the terrain and figures you need to play them.

People often post asking for advice about what to buy next. It's fun to offer advice from different angles, though I think the best advice I've read previously is to go for the theatre that interests you most - all of the expansions are a quality experience.
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Sat, 25 October 2008 16:52
Interesting question there, Yangtze, and one that I actually have statistics on. (noone, this probably won't useful to you, but other people reading this thread will find it interesting.)

I record the length of most of my games. In my experience, Eastern and Pacific each have one monstrously long scenario (Red Barricades and Mabatang), where my shortest battle tends to be comparable to my longest battle in any of the others. In my several plays of each, Red Barricades has averaged 17.6 moves, and Mabatang has averaged 14.0.

Excluding those two scenarios, my games have averaged 8.2 moves in Eastern, and 8.7 moves in Pacific, based on a couple dozen games in each.

Including everything, it reverses to 10.6 in Eastern and 10.0 in Pacific.
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Sat, 25 October 2008 16:55
Interesting! Do you have stats for the West?
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Sat, 25 October 2008 17:00
Reading through your post, it looks like you're getting the Eastern Front, Pacific Theater, and Med. Pack already...and you're asking which other expansion to get. Right? Rolling Eyes

I would say you might as well spend the extra little money and buy the Desert/Winter board. If you're getting the three expansions with the new armies, it makes things look great (and adds to the realism) to play on a white snow-covered board in Russia and a yellow sand-covered board in North Africa! Very Happy Plus it doesn't cost much!

If you still are interested in another expansion, I would say the choices are between the Air Pack and the Terrain Pack...and it'll come down to what you want out of future games. The Terrain pack, like Yangtze said, is great if you like creating your own scenarios but doesn't add nearly as much to the game as the Air Pack. If I were you, I would spend a little extra money up front and get the Air Pack because it adds so much to the gaem!

Good luck with your choices and have fun!
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Sat, 25 October 2008 17:36
yangtze wrote on Sat, 25 October 2008 10:55

Interesting! Do you have stats for the West?

Desert scenarios (including Knightsbridge and Beda Fomm from Terrain Pack) have averaged 7.3 turns for me. All those armor overruns make it play very fast.

All other scenarios, including Scenes From The Front...

My other extra-long scenario has been Crossing the River Roer, 16.6 moves.

Excluding that, I've averaged 9.5 turns. Including Roer's minimal effect against so many other scenarios, 9.7. The median is 9, and the average is pulled up by a handful of longer battles.
      
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Good Feedback Here Sun, 26 October 2008 03:49
rasmussen81 wrote on Sat, 25 October 2008 11:00

Reading through your post, it looks like you're getting the Eastern Front, Pacific Theater, and Med. Pack already...and you're asking which other expansion to get. Right?


Hi, Rasmussen. Yes, you got my drift about what I'm trying to figure out with the various expansions as far as a possible purchase goes. I know about the three expansions that you mentioned and that I want those but I'm trying to decide on one more for now and it is between the Winter/Desert board, the Air Pack and the Terrain Pack. I'm taking into consideration several factors such as price, storage space required, integration with the basic game and the above expansions, and whatever else I can think of that might be relevant. It also might be worth mentioning that I have been checking out everything I'm interested in at both at this site and BoardgameGeek; I forgot to mention that the first time around. Also, I waited for the Med expansion to become available before I started to pursue this in earnest.

Thanks, meanwhile, to everyone who has posted here. All the input is good even if some of it is a little offtrack.
      
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Re:Good Feedback Here Sun, 26 October 2008 06:37
noone23 wrote on Sat, 25 October 2008 19:49


Hi, Rasmussen. Yes, you got my drift about what I'm trying to figure out with the various expansions as far as a possible purchase goes.

No problem. As always, it's going to be the one that works best for you, after taking all your factors into effect.
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I know about the three expansions that you mentioned and that I want those but I'm trying to decide on one more for now and it is between the Winter/Desert board, the Air Pack and the Terrain Pack. I'm taking into consideration several factors such as price,

Well, for price, you can't beat the Winter/Desert Map. But there's a reason the Air Pack is the most expensive of your three options; it adds the most to the game with the planes, huge book, new Summary cards.
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storage space required,

Again, the Winter/Desert board is going to take the least space. Next is probably the Terrain pack, and again...the Air Pack will take the most (for good reason). But I don't think any of these three take as much as the other three you're getting, simply because the troops take up so much room!
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integration with the basic game and the above expansions,
This factor is a little different for the Winter/Desert Board because it's very useful for the Eastern Front and Med. Expansion but not at all useful for the Base game or the Pacific Theater. The Air Pack changes almost every battle out there, and the Terrain Pack isn't very useful for the current expansions but is great if you like to make your own scenarios.
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and whatever else I can think of that might be relevant.
It might also matter if you have lots of friends to play with or not. If you do have lots of people to play with, you might think about the Overlord Expansion but if you have nobody else to play with I would say get the Terrain Pack because then you can set up most of the Scenarios from the Front.

You said in your initial post that you wanted everything to fit into the Memoir Box...I'm guessing you meant the Campaign Bag. Rolling Eyes If you're worried about having room in the bag, it's actually pretty big and you'll be impressed with how much it fits. If you're talking about the actual box, I think you might be out of luck!

Good luch with the thinking!

[Updated on: Sun, 26 October 2008 06:38]

      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Sun, 26 October 2008 16:06
" hypnotic voice " You must get them alllllll......

I seem to remember that voice in my head many years ago when Magic;TG came out... gamer crack... I don't count how many cards I have, but how many hundreds of pounds of cards I have...

But if you buy them in order of release you can't go wrong...

just remember.... You must get them alllllll......
      
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To Clarify Tue, 28 October 2008 04:15
"You said in your initial post that you wanted everything to fit into the Memoir Box. If you're talking about the actual box, I think you might be out of luck!"

I did mean the Memoir '44 box but I realize I'm probably dreaming. I'll wake up shortly, really.
      
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With Whom To Play M44(Here At Home)? Tue, 28 October 2008 04:31
"If you have nobody else to play with I would say get the Terrain Pack because then you can set up most of the Scenarios from the Front."

These days I don't have anyone else to play with. I left my game club days back in the 1990s.

What did you mean by setting up scenarios from the front? The front of what(actually I'm just kidding on that one)?
      
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Re:With Whom To Play M44(Here At Home)? Tue, 28 October 2008 05:33
noone23 wrote on Mon, 27 October 2008 20:31

"If you have nobody else to play with I would say get the Terrain Pack because then you can set up most of the Scenarios from the Front."

These days I don't have anyone else to play with. I left my game club days back in the 1990s.

What did you mean by setting up scenarios from the front? The front of what(actually I'm just kidding on that one)?



With nobody else to play, you might look into getting Vassal! I'm not the one to teach you about it since I've never played on it, but there are some very helpful guys out there who could show you the ropes. Smile

If you're looking for some fun Scenarios From The Front, you can always look at mine (I think they're fun but that's just me Very Happy). I've also played some of Brummbar's scenarios and they're a lot of fun too. Cool
      
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Re:With Whom To Play M44(Here At Home)? Tue, 28 October 2008 13:13
Scenarios From the Front are scenarios made up by the playing community. There's a link on the Memoir home page, or go directly to http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/content/scenariofans /

If you've registered your web code, I believe that gives you access to the scenario editor.
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Sat, 15 November 2008 22:22
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for those that need....
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Wed, 19 November 2008 01:26
Hands down I would say get the Terrain Pack. For me, this opened up the gaming system with lots of new possibilities, with new rules such as heroic leader, sabotage, etc. There are a few new scenarios and plenty in scenarios from the front that use the new rules/tiles. Read the rules of both Terrain Pack and Air Pack online before buying.

If you get the Air Pack, you will see that quite a few scenarios in the rule book have been "slightly" redesigned to use tiles from the Terrain Pack. You might be disappointed without having the Terrain Pack if you get the Air Pack first.

I got expansions in this order:

1. Terrain Pack

2. Eastern Expansion and Air pack

3. Pacific

4. Med. and winter/desert board map

For me, this worked out perfectly.

As for packing everything in one box, I have a recommendation. Buy the right fishing tackle box at your local sporting goods store. It was hard to find the right one. But I purchased a Plano 1155 Magnum Satchel tackle box.

To see it go to this site: http://www.planomolding.com/tackle/products.asp

and click on the "Satchel/Magnum/Large Specialty" label under categories and you will see it.

This cost me $20 and I use it to hold the following:

2 complete Memoir '44 games (without boards or rules)
Terrain Pack
Eastern Expansion
Pacific Theater
Air Pack
Med. Theater

I use one Memoir '44 box to hold my three maps (2 beach/countryside and 1 desert/winter board) and the larger rules books from Memoir '44 main games and Airpack. The smaller rule books, cards, dice, card stands, etc. I store in the top-level comparment of the tackle box. It is a tight fit for the tiles, but they do fit. I have no room left for another expansion, but am quite satsified with this space saving solution as I can toss out 1 big Memoir box, 3 expansion boxes and the useless air pack box.

I also purchased two smaller trays for future expansions, but won't be using these any time soon.
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Thu, 27 November 2008 18:33
i have bought 3 expantions and i can still fitt em in my original memoir 44 box had to take away the plastic tho.

anyway i own the original game, Eastern front, Pacific theater and the winter/dessert board.

i cut out all the hex holders 3 of them 1 from the original game and 2 from the expantions. i but the boards in the bottom of the box put the hex holders on top in one corner. Use a perfect sized box for the markers and dice (fitted in the space between the box and the boards) have all 4 armies in plastic bags on top on top of the boards. have a rubber band around the deck and putt the cardholders next to the board rule books on top. well you cant close the box fully but if stays in place

next thing i will buy is the terrain pack, then air pack, mediteraninan pack and later on if i can get more friends to play whith me i will buy the operation overlord pack and another original game.

hope this help.
      
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Decision Made and Carried Out Wed, 31 December 2008 16:51
I made my decision about the Memoir '44 expansions I was interested in and ordered the following from my favorite online gameseller:
East Front
Pacific
Mediterranean
Air Pack
Terrain Pack
Winter/Desert Mapboard
I figured that should settle any possible problems regarding proper sequence. The order came on the 11th which was the same day I hurt my back(trying to drag a big barrel full of heavy, wet, packed-in leaves across muddy ground after seeing mud accumulate in front of the wheels and having to go around to the front and trying to pull the whole thing forward only to have something in my lower back pull, pop or twist)so in my mind I will probably forever associate those two events.
As far as storage problems I happily found that I had room for everything as it is except that I put the winter/desert board into the main M'44 box since there isn't anything to protect it against dust once the shrinkwrap comes off. The Pacific and Med boxes are stored apart from the rest because of space considerations but it's no big deal.
I would have posted about these developments sooner but this PC was nonfunctional from the 3rd of this month to the 28th; as things turned out it took a new monitor and a new mouse to fix everything. Such is the state of things at present.
      
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Re:Expansion Recommendations? Fri, 02 January 2009 15:46
My first expansion was the air pack as my great grand father used to be in the RAF in world war two, but thats a different story.

I then got terrain pack as over half of the scenarios in the air pack book need it, I am waiting to buy my first army pack.

In my opinion terrain pack is quite boring but very useful.
      
    
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