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Wildfire2099
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World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 03 March 2009 17:49
I hope as many of the current and future participants as possible answer here... the smaller the turnover, the better things work out.

I'm just looking for answers here... discussion should stay over in the season 3 discussion thread.

Thanks!

Here are the questions:

1) Should season 3 start immediately after season 2 (Aprox. 4/20) or wait a few weeks for SPWC to come close to conclusion (early/mid-May)

2) Should there be a season 4 through the summer (July, August, with perhaps a couple extra weeks built in to cover vacations)... after Summer (Sept/Oct.. squeezed in before NC) or not until After NC 2009 (December).

      
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 03 March 2009 17:56
1) Start season 3 when SPWC and EMC are reduced at 32 players. People playing in the tournaments will catch up later in the season (what is important is the finish date not when it starts)

I suggest a season 3 from May and 20 June.

2) I'm torn about this question...

My suggestion: a long season 4 starting at the beginning of July and running for all the Summer with as a deadline the starting of the NC (or a week before). Even if in Summer 3 months should be a long enough timeframe to play a season.

On the other hand, 5 months of hiatus (June-November) between season 3 and season 4 could be too much to mantain the "momentum"

Hoping to be useful Smile

[Updated on: Tue, 03 March 2009 18:05]

      
Colo
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 03 March 2009 18:08
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1) Should season 3 start immediately after season 2?

I vote for always a short break between seasons for multiple reasons, as stated in discussion thread. So: No, it should start on May 01.

Quote:

2) Should there be a season 4 through the summer (July, August, with perhaps a couple extra weeks built in to cover vacations)... after Summer (Sept/Oct.. squeezed in before NC) or not until After NC 2009 (December).

I tend to vote for a relaxed summer league season, starting in July and ending just before the NC (something like Sept 05). No league during NC (at least not till semifinals). But I would also not mind a "summer break" and season 4 after the NC.

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after season 2 (Aprox. 4/20)

I strongly vote for a definite deadline for season 2 matches (suggest 04/19) and for publishing it clear and early.


[Updated on: Tue, 03 March 2009 18:10]

      
OLE Masimo
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 03 March 2009 20:06
1. My oppinion still is to leave freeway for at least the first rds of SPWC/EMC. Colo`s suggestion with May 1st seems good to me.

2. I`d prefer a relaxed "summer league" as well - meaning that there is more time than the necessary 7 weeks. I`d suggest to start right after SPWC (June 6th i.e.) and then leave 10-12 weeks to play that league. Thus the league would be finished with enough time to prepare for NC

3. another league could probably start during semi/final of NC?

whatever we come up to - it would be good if it could be fixed and the same schedule used next year. If you could add it in the tournament table it would ease things a lot for organizers of other events. Thanks for that.

[Updated on: Tue, 03 March 2009 20:10]

      
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 03 March 2009 20:48
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Colo`s suggestion with May 1st seems good to me.


ok, but I would prefer ...

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I`d suggest to start right after SPWC (June 6th i.e.) and then leave 10-12 weeks to play that league


yes

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strongly vote for a definite deadline for season 2 matches (suggest 04/19) and for publishing it clear and early


YES

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another league could probably start during semi/final of NC


yes
      
Colo
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 10 March 2009 20:20
I think there is more then one or two things to agree upon and define some rules. Yet setting a deadline for season 2 and maybe also discussing when a third season should be played is maybe the first thing to decide. I can't believe only 5 (including Wildfire) of the 75 players do have an opinion on that.

So I ask again:
- what should be the deadline for season 2 matches?
- when (start and end) should a third and maybe a fourth season be played?

      
Qorlas
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 10 March 2009 20:30
my idea (with a week of break between seasons)

Season 1: Jan- 20 Feb
Season 2: Mar- 20 Apr
Season 3: May- 20 Jun
Season 4: Jul- 10 september (longer summer season)

Period of November-December: playoff of NC, Master, Multi Tournament??? I would not play league there.. let's do a Master of the end of the season.

Season 5: Jan- 20 Feb
and so on...

[Updated on: Tue, 10 March 2009 20:32]

      
onyx puffin
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 10 March 2009 20:54
Set a date for end of season 2, with an expectation date for completion (7 weeks) and May 1st as max date is fine.

As for future seasons, others may be getting like me about looking into future seasons. How do I know my schedule? Also, late spring can be every bit as busy as summer. Summer schedules are so different.

I wonder if season 3 should be 9 or 10 weeks long. Then I might consider playing. In fact, maybe it is time to shake up the season aspect and make it 12 or 16 persons per division, and give them 4 months to get season 3 done. Probably not, but let me say I like the season concept, but I sure don't want it to go year round. No "sport league" goes year round. Could we in Pittsburgh, Steeler crazy like we can be, even sustain that enthusiasm for the Steelers if they played every week? I doubt it. There are times to stop for the off season. Then the energy is renewed for the sport.

And I do not think there should be seasons going on all year long! Certainly not during the Nation's Cup.

[Updated on: Tue, 10 March 2009 21:00]

      
Wildfire2099
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Wed, 11 March 2009 15:14
Definately no season during NC.

It's still up for debate wether there will be a season 4 or not in 2009.


Season 3 will start mid-May and run through June... and probably a week or 2 into July

Season 4 (if it happens) would be August-September-ish, to finish before NC.

Then there would most defintely be an 'off season... I agree with you that running year round is a bit much for alot of people... 8 months on, 4 months off is about right to me.


The more I think about it, I'm starting to like Erps' idea of a "Masters' league that would happen in that bit of time after NC.. has a good feel to it.

Things are still in planning stages though, hence the discussion Smile
      
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Sat, 14 March 2009 17:15
my .02

Play 4 leagues a year starting the first day of the season, independent of any other tournaments, but keep a maximum of 8 players per league. Each league ends one week before the next one starts, for administrative reasons. Theoretically this could start 21 June.

Pro:

- Simple & clear, everyone can remember
- No problem with other tournaments: you can easily take a month off since you only need to play 7 games in 12 weeks
- We don't have to discuss which tournaments are more important than others: if we would only pause for SPWC/EMC and NC, we would lose many players during Fed Cup. Now people can choose themselves what they find important.
      
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Sun, 15 March 2009 18:45
How about different rules for the summer league. I would like a place where Nation's Cup Neophytes can learn to behave. Have it lie outside the normal promotion/relegation. In fact, have the divisions be of mixed strength, just like the NC. Also, allow new divisions to form, as new people get roped into the NC. Think of the Summer league as less of a continuation of the regular league, and more like an NC preseason. Imagine it as a tryout for the higher levels of your national teams. Even consider allowing nations to put together their own divisions. Heck, if a team like Austria or Italy wants to smash heads as a bonding ritual, let them form their own division (as they did). Allow for divisions based on preferred time of play, and allow people to put together their own divisions for whatever reasons they like. If a group of players wants to experiment with the EU map, or having multis, let 'em. Then, when the real league season opens up, we can use the results of the summer league to help place newcomers more accurately at their appropriate levels, but other than that, not use the summer for promotions and relegations. This will allow for a fourth season that builds towards NC, without burning people out.
      
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Mon, 16 March 2009 15:47
@ Bassie: While I like your idea in theory, I think in practice it would be bad news... some people would play quickly and be done, with two months to wait, while others would just procrastinate until the end... I think too much time is a bad thing.

@ Zeno: That's an interesting idea.. sounds more like NC qualifying than anything else.. I agree if something like that took place, the league would need to not be going.

      
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Tue, 17 March 2009 01:39
Quotation of Wildfire

Definately no season during NC.

It's still up for debate wether there will be a season 4 or not in 2009.


Season 3 will start mid-May and run through June... and probably a week or 2 into July

Season 4 (if it happens) would be August-September-ish, to finish before NC.

Then there would most defintely be an 'off season... I agree with you that running year round is a bit much for alot of people... 8 months on, 4 months off is about right to me.


The more I think about it, I'm starting to like Erps' idea of a "Masters' league that would happen in that bit of time after NC.. has a good feel to it.

Things are still in planning stages though, hence the discussion

Hi all especially Wildfire,

I meen the idea of Wildfire is acceptable.
He is the initiator of this League and he decides how does it work for the future. Either we to bend his basic rules or we leave this fantastic league for a while. For me is only 2 question about the discussions: in or out

Im in !

Greets
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Colo
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Wed, 18 March 2009 03:00
While I have thoughts on 3rd and 4th and general seasons and also on other stuff, I will restrict my post to just one question, hoping that having decided this one we may proceed to discuss others things ...

what should be the deadline for season 2 ???

I suggest:
1) deadline for season 2 = 26th of April (reason: since some are beeing very lazy, thats a bit more than 7 weeks)
2) all games not played until deadline are ruled according to the state-of-the-art rules published here:
http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~erps/tickipedia/inde x.php/World_TTR_League_Rules#Matches_not_played_until_deadli ne
3) to decide upon the deadline NOW and to publish the decision NOW and to stick to it strictly!

I share Wildfire's thought, that having matches played is far better than any ruling. I think that setting a strict deadline and clearly publishing it ahead of time is the best way to achieve this.

0.02
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Thu, 23 April 2009 07:15
Did registration for Season 3 start already?
      
AAA_Pammes
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Thu, 23 April 2009 09:39
hi all,

it is seldom, but i totally agree with colo:
1. season3 start May 1st
2. lazy summer season
3. i would generally prefer a clear season end date which is announced at the beginning - therefore anybody can schedule his/her games according to that
4. no league during NC

      
bassie
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Thu, 23 April 2009 13:48
Pammes and others stated

no league during NC

Full as I am of my 4-seasons-all-through-the-year idea, I have an alternative option that excludes RR of NC (provided this is a period of 5 weeks).

Let's say there is only one League season yet till NC. Seems reasonable with summer coming up and four months left till NC start at 12 September (not sure about this, but it looks like a logical date - could not find Masimo's calendar on Tickipedia). Since I am not playing next round, I will leave next season's discussion up to others since I won't be playing. From NC on, this could be our League playing schedule:

17 October (end of RR NC) - 24 December (Christmas): Autumn/Fall
2 January (start of year) - 14 March (week before spring): Winter
21 March (start of spring) - 14 June (week before summer): Spring
21 June (start of Summer) - 11 September (start of NC): Summer

Spring and Summer are 12 weeks, 2 weeks longer than the other seasons, but this is partly offset by the single player championships in spring and holidays in summer. As stated before, I think 9 players per division is optimal. Taking into account holidays and other tournaments, that would probably mean one match per remaining week, which seems busy enough to me.

Above all: KISS! Everyone can remember these deadlines! No more excuses!
      
Colo
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Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Thu, 23 April 2009 14:32
I am not sure that everyone is aware:

Wildfire2099 wrote on Wed, 18 March 2009 23:01


the deadline for game for this season May 2nd...




      
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  Re:World TTR League Poll: Season 3 and beyond Thu, 23 April 2009 18:36
sounds great, Colo Cool
      
    
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