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a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Fri, 15 May 2009 02:50
Ok, I have been playing war board games for years, since my early teens.(I am now in my late 40's) The hex and counter kind. When I first encountered Memoir 44 I thought it a child's game with mickey mouse mechanics. I was sooo wrong. Since my first game I have bought everything DOW has put out on the game. This brings me to Hedgerow Hell. First of all, having a board all ready set up with terrain makes for a quick easy start. Playing Hedgerow hell is about as good as war gaming gets. And I only can imagine, very historical, as to the hell the allies went through taking every inch of that ground. I have played it four times, twice as allies, twice as germans. Played it two player with the overlord expansion rules and cards. Each game was fresh and different. And bloody till the very end. There is still a few strategies I want to try, so I am guessing we will play this scenerio countless more times. And the trucks add a great twist to the game and to the other scenerios out there. If you do not own this map, get it. You will not be dissapointed. I have yet to play the flip side, The cadets of Sumar, the hedgerow hell side is so addicting. I have the break through map that came with the campaign bag, another great preset scenario, with countless possibillities on the reverse side. Now Tigers in the Snow is being mailed to me. Soon I will need professional help for my Memoir 44 addiction.

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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Fri, 15 May 2009 06:34
rooster5 wrote on Thu, 14 May 2009 20:50

Ok, I have been playing war board games for years, since my early teens.(I am now in my late 40's) The hex and counter kind. When I first encountered Memoir 44 I thought it a child's game with mickey mouse mechanics. I was sooo wrong. Since my first game I have bought everything DOW has put out on the game. This brings me to Hedgerow Hell. First of all, having a board all ready set up with terrain makes for a quick easy start. Playing Hedgerow hell is about as good as war gaming gets. And I only can imagine, very historical, as to the hell the allies went through taking every inch of that ground. I have played it four times, twice as allies, twice as germans. Played it two player with the overlord expansion rules and cards. Each game was fresh and different. And bloody till the very end. There is still a few strategies I want to try, so I am guessing we will play this scenerio countless more times. And the trucks add a great twist to the game and to the other scenerios out there. If you do not own this map, get it. You will not be dissapointed. I have yet to play the flip side, The cadets of Sumar, the hedgerow hell side is so addicting. I have the break through map that came with the campaign bag, another great preset scenario, with countless possibillities on the reverse side. Now Tigers in the Snow is being mailed to me. Soon I will need professional help for my Memoir 44 addiction.


LOL!!! Laughing I think I'm with you on soon to be needing help with M44 addiction! Very Happy

I actually got this game 5 years ago, only to stray into AAM (huge mistake for me), and I am also just getting back around to seeing that this game is pretty freakin' sweet. I'll be grabbing Tigers in the Snow this weekend from my FLAGS, and have all the rest as well. I'm very close to getting the base game and the three expansion army packs in double. Fun game indeed. The campaign books are what have me really "geeked" lately though. I could see many, many of those books having the potential to be released.

But I'm with you 100% on your comments above. I'm an old guard TAHGC grognard myself, in my early 40s as well, and glad as h-e-double toothpicks to have given this game another look see. It's worth every penny, and then some! Cool

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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Fri, 15 May 2009 14:49
rooster5 wrote on Fri, 15 May 2009 02:50

Ok, I have been playing war board games for years, since my early teens.(I am now in my late 40's) The hex and counter kind. When I first encountered Memoir 44 I thought it a child's game with mickey mouse mechanics. I was sooo wrong. Since my first game I have bought everything DOW has put out on the game. This brings me to Hedgerow Hell. First of all, having a board all ready set up with terrain makes for a quick easy start. Playing Hedgerow hell is about as good as war gaming gets. And I only can imagine, very historical, as to the hell the allies went through taking every inch of that ground. I have played it four times, twice as allies, twice as germans. Played it two player with the overlord expansion rules and cards. Each game was fresh and different. And bloody till the very end. There is still a few strategies I want to try, so I am guessing we will play this scenerio countless more times. And the trucks add a great twist to the game and to the other scenerios out there. If you do not own this map, get it. You will not be dissapointed. I have yet to play the flip side, The cadets of Sumar, the hedgerow hell side is so addicting. I have the break through map that came with the campaign bag, another great preset scenario, with countless possibillities on the reverse side. Now Tigers in the Snow is being mailed to me. Soon I will need professional help for my Memoir 44 addiction.



Thanks for those words... I considered (and still consider) the map overpriced but I thought that hedgerows hell is a state-of-the-art scenario. So I've bought the map on ebay and now I'm waitng for it!

I've already played cadets of Samur with two boxes and a terrain pack. However both my opponents were very deluded. I and another friends, playing as the germans, didn't move infantry forward, but kept them sure and bombarded french artillery with our guns.
The game became a tediuos artillery duel that we won (3 artillery +1 infantry killed) with a recon played as air power, a barrage, a counter-counterattack to the barrage and a behind enemy lines + close assault (sacrifying an infantry units).

The french players, being 4-1 without other choice apart from being slowly killed by our three artillery and numerical superiority decided to surrender in order to play a better scenario.
      
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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Fri, 15 May 2009 15:26
In Hedgerow Hell, artillery does come into play, especially for the germans, BUT for the most part it is an all out infantry and armor duel. Evry single turn and card play becomes so important. This is how war games are meant to be. The sweet thing about the scenario is the allies start with about a 2:1 advantage in infantry over the axis, and a slight advantage in armor. But the allies still get butchered making advances in that awful terrain, just like the real battle. I am sure you and your buddies will be pleasantly surprised and want to switch sides and play several times. I only hope Tigers and Market Garden will be close to or as exciting to play as Hedgerow Hell. As for things being over priced, I purchased the majority of my Memoir stuff from Game Trade Online, an e-bay store out of Plano, Tx. They have free shipping and extremely reasonable prices. The cheapest ones online, by far, taking into account the free shipping, and I have put a lot of research into this.
      
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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Fri, 15 May 2009 17:25
rooster5 wrote on Fri, 15 May 2009 15:26

In Hedgerow Hell, artillery does come into play, especially for the germans, BUT for the most part it is an all out infantry and armor duel. Evry single turn and card play becomes so important. This is how war games are meant to be. The sweet thing about the scenario is the allies start with about a 2:1 advantage in infantry over the axis, and a slight advantage in armor. But the allies still get butchered making advances in that awful terrain, just like the real battle. I am sure you and your buddies will be pleasantly surprised and want to switch sides and play several times. I only hope Tigers and Market Garden will be close to or as exciting to play as Hedgerow Hell. As for things being over priced, I purchased the majority of my Memoir stuff from Game Trade Online, an e-bay store out of Plano, Tx. They have free shipping and extremely reasonable prices. The cheapest ones online, by far, taking into account the free shipping, and I have put a lot of research into this.


In hedgerows hell there is not a not fordable river to pass, there are much more tanks, there are temporary medal objectives to conquer/hold, exit zones to guard/reach, I see a lot of possible tactics with the allies... I think that this scenario is very challenging to them!

About the new scenarios, they look very interesting, but I will wait other people's opinion. The Tiger are tanks, hill giants or giant spiders? (battlelore is not as tactical as a third of how Memoir is)

possibilities to kill a Tiger (if they can retreat):
5 die: about 25 %
12 die: about 50 %
20 die: about 67 %
28 die: about 80 %

So there are significant possibilities to not kill a Tiger even with more than 20 die!

I believe that RBorg studied well those new scenarios, but the Tiger rule in my opinion require extreme care to make scenarios not one-sided

P.S. I live in Veneto, near Venezia (Venice), so I prefer European stores!
      
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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Fri, 15 May 2009 18:36
Thanks for the % info. I knew that it wouldn't be easy to destroy a Tiger, but that's some interesting data.

Having said that, all it's going to take is some lucky rolls to take out a Tiger, so the Axis player shouldn't roll into battle with the idea that the Tiger is indestructable! Very Happy But the Allied player will have to be careful and maybe try to get as many units attacking the Tiger as possible.
      
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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Fri, 15 May 2009 19:52
My Tigers is not coming yet. Any info on when they ship in Europe, DoW?

So if all hits on the Tigers are re-rolled, will flags (if Tigers can`t retreat)have to be re-rolled and show grenade to count as hits?
      
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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Fri, 15 May 2009 19:55
ad79 wrote on Fri, 15 May 2009 11:52

My Tigers is not coming yet. Any info on when they ship in Europe, DoW?

So if all hits on the Tigers are re-rolled, will flags (if Tigers can`t retreat)have to be re-rolled and show grenade to count as hits?


Any hits are rerolled and if the tiger cannot retreat, the flags are counted as hits as well and rerolled. And all rerolls have to have a grenade to kill the Tiger.

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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Sat, 16 May 2009 00:38
rooster5 wrote on Fri, 15 May 2009 14:26

In Hedgerow Hell, artillery does come into play, especially for the germans, BUT for the most part it is an all out infantry and armor duel. Evry single turn and card play becomes so important. This is how war games are meant to be. The sweet thing about the scenario is the allies start with about a 2:1 advantage in infantry over the axis, and a slight advantage in armor. But the allies still get butchered making advances in that awful terrain, just like the real battle. I am sure you and your buddies will be pleasantly surprised and want to switch sides and play several times. I only hope Tigers and Market Garden will be close to or as exciting to play as Hedgerow Hell.


I bought HH this week and played it for the first time tonight. Fantastic scenario!! very challenging and you really do have to try and coordinate your attacks. A big THANK YOU to all concerned! Very Happy

Now, when will Tigers In The Snow be hitting UK stores? Rolling Eyes



      
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Re:a word about Hedgerow Hell battle Map Sat, 16 May 2009 22:50
rooster5 wrote on Thu, 14 May 2009 20:50

Ok, I have been playing war board games for years, since my early teens.(I am now in my late 40's) The hex and counter kind. When I first encountered Memoir 44 I thought it a child's game with mickey mouse mechanics. I was sooo wrong. Since my first game I have bought everything DOW has put out on the game. This brings me to Hedgerow Hell. First of all, having a board all ready set up with terrain makes for a quick easy start. Playing Hedgerow hell is about as good as war gaming gets. And I only can imagine, very historical, as to the hell the allies went through taking every inch of that ground. I have played it four times, twice as allies, twice as germans. Played it two player with the overlord expansion rules and cards. Each game was fresh and different. And bloody till the very end. There is still a few strategies I want to try, so I am guessing we will play this scenerio countless more times. And the trucks add a great twist to the game and to the other scenerios out there. If you do not own this map, get it. You will not be dissapointed. I have yet to play the flip side, The cadets of Sumar, the hedgerow hell side is so addicting. I have the break through map that came with the campaign bag, another great preset scenario, with countless possibillities on the reverse side. Now Tigers in the Snow is being mailed to me. Soon I will need professional help for my Memoir 44 addiction.


Thanks for the report! I finally caved in and bought this along with the brand-new one. We are playing Hedgerow Hell tomorrow at out game club at our area FLGS. I'm REALLY pumped to play it now!!!

Thanks again!
      
    
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