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Timmuilwijk
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''What if...'' Wed, 15 July 2009 16:37
Hey Guys,

I'd like to design a WWII what if scenario based on the most favorite 'what if', so plz give your best what if...

- Invasion of Britain (Sea Lion!)
- Barbarossa 2 (anything from north to south!)
- Drive to the Suez Canal (Rommel did win North Africa)
- Japanese invasion of Hawaii
- Japanese invasion of Madagascar / India

or something else (What if the Czechs did fight in 1938...etc)

Tim

[Updated on: Wed, 15 July 2009 16:38]

      
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Re:''What if...'' Wed, 15 July 2009 16:40
The British hadn't withdrawn from Narvik, when Hitler invaded France and instead continued to fight in Norway.
      
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Re:''What if...'' Wed, 15 July 2009 17:45
Sealion rulezzz!!! I'd like to see a scenario about this fictional Operation. So please, do your best! Very Happy

Also, that drive towards the Suez would be also an interesting scenario...

[Updated on: Wed, 15 July 2009 18:30]

      
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Re:''What if...'' Wed, 15 July 2009 20:10
When doing Sealion, I was thinking of doing a kind of airborne operation first, the Germans were quite good at it. Then the invasions of the British Home Isle will continue....

Anyone wants to cooperate, feel free to give me some kind of message to cooperate! Very Happy

Tim
      
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Re:''What if...'' Wed, 15 July 2009 21:30
I would like to playtest the scenarios, and to give you some information about the defenses of Britain.

The paratrooper operation looks very nice... Very Happy
      
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Re:''What if...'' Thu, 16 July 2009 08:53
"What if..." scenarios doesn't do it for me.
Then I might play Heroscape instead and that I have no intension of!

If I can't recognize a battle from WW2 (book, film, internet), it doesn't interest me.
      
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Re:''What if...'' Thu, 16 July 2009 11:09
SlotraceDK wrote on Thu, 16 July 2009 07:53

"What if..." scenarios doesn't do it for me.
Then I might play Heroscape instead and that I have no intension of!

If I can't recognize a battle from WW2 (book, film, internet), it doesn't interest me.



But you can combine the two. Take a known battle and throw in a "what if"

What if....on the night preceeding D-Day someone had woke Hitler up and got the OK to move the panzers to Normandy?
      
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Re:''What if...'' Thu, 16 July 2009 11:42
What if... Hitler had decided to pass through Spain to conquer Gibraltar to close Mediterranean Sea...
What if... French government decided to continue the fight and leave to North Africa and help kicking off the Italians from Lybia...
What if... Barbarossa began one month before (Italy succeeded Greece's invasion and Hitler didn't invade Yugoslavia)...
Greetz from Le Mans
      
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Re:''What if...'' Thu, 16 July 2009 14:00
Indeed, what if scenarios are mostly quite realistic, especially battles in WWII, there was so much luck involved one can not realize it. Even master geniuses like Patton and Rommel needed weather and other factors in their favor to accomplish theur greatest moments in history. This of course is resembled in the dice system....Very Happy but to get back, Sea Lion is quite thoroughly planned (as were all other operations by the Germans), and therefore quite realistic if Hitler would not be influenced by the great land masses of Western Russia....

The last three are quite good to do, although Franco was either realistic or a coward (maybe both Razz) in not choosing sides openly with the Axis. It could have made a difference but if it would be a lasting one....(battle! battle in m44!)

Thanks nemesszili for wanting to playtest, I have posted the scenario:
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=6080

I did not add rules yet, the three figures are Home Guard units btw, but I wasn't sure if I could use French Resistance rules on them or just a weakened infantry unit.

The plane is obvious, Spitfire, and the Germans will get one Air Sortie or both are shuffled in the deck, not quite sure. I would like to hear some comments if possible on these Very Happy

Tim
      
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Re:''What if...'' Thu, 16 July 2009 14:04
It would still be like throwing the units on the board and take it from there. Nothing in it for me. Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:''What if...'' Fri, 17 July 2009 05:24
I have often wondered what would have happened "what if" Hitler had not double crossed Stalin and invaded Russia how the war would have tured out.
      
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Re:''What if...'' Fri, 17 July 2009 11:09
If Hitler didn't have invaded USSR, Stalin would have invaded Germany and western Europe...
Why ?
Stalin had trained one million of paratroopers ready to drop upon Germany's territories.
Some sovietic tanks like BTs can use roads instead of caterpillars to use german highways.
The defences at the border were destroyed to permit russian army a quick advance into ennemy territory.
Russian troops were very near the border (which that explains the lot of prisoners made by Axis troops on the beginning of Barbarossa) ready to move West.
Stalin was waiting because he had fired and killed a lot of general officers of Red Army and it was under rebuilding (despite the great number of planes, tanks and soldiers).
He wanted UK and Germany run out each other and launch his offensive when the 2 countries would be exhausted (theory of "The Ice-Breaker")...
To enhance communism, he would take the opportunity of the war in western Europe and to stop Hitler's plans (Creation of a great Reich in the Mitteleuropa and although the conquest of the Lebensraum in eastern Europe to install german settlers and put people of these former countries under slavery)...
Another what if... Churchill didn't become PM and then UK and Germany signed up for Peace...
      
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Re:''What if...'' Fri, 17 July 2009 11:24
I think you forgot that Polen was - and still is - in between Germany and Russia!!

But anyway - how do you plan to make scenarios of all these "what if"s???

For ex. Churchill didn't become PM and then UK and Germany signed up for Peace...

France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark and Norway would be a part of Germany today - EU???

Sorry for being a Twisted Evil here!!!

[Updated on: Fri, 17 July 2009 11:28]

      
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Re:''What if...'' Fri, 17 July 2009 11:38
I didn't forgotten it SlotraceDK, but in 1941, Poland didn't not exist anyway divided between Germany and USSR (like others invaded countries : Austria, Czecoslovakia, Baltic Countries, Denmark, Norway, Low Countries, Belgium, Luxemburg, Albany, Yugoslavia and Greece).
In 1941, Axis and its vassals occupated most part of whole central and western Europe (less Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and obviously UK).
So in 1941, there were only 3 countries or alliances able to fight in Europe : Axis and USSR (UK had a different strategy based upon its Navy and Air Force) based on terrestrial forces.
Greetz from Le Mans
      
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Re:''What if...'' Wed, 22 July 2009 17:03
I've designed a few "what if" scenarios (Hungarian Impasse, Battle of Orsfield), but like others, I prefer the historical scenario. And I would much rather design a historical scenario because I like history. It gives me an excuse to go searching for information about the battle, the terrain, the forces and generals involved, and what, if anything, changed the tide of the battle. I just miss that entirely doing a "what if" scenario.

      
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Re:''What if...'' Wed, 22 July 2009 19:45
Sorry Timmuilwijk, I can't playtest it in the next few days, because I'm on holiday in Croatia. Sorry.

P.S. Anyway, this place is cool, with the sun shining, and the beach is not far away. Cool
      
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Re:''What if...'' Thu, 23 July 2009 08:03
The Invasion of Malta:

Malta, the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" was destroying the AfrikaKorps supplies. The Germans where ready to invade the island with Paratroops, but decided they could not trust the Italians to do their part.

The option to invade Malta is part of the old SPI Panzer Armee Afrika game
      
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Re:''What if...'' Thu, 23 July 2009 08:33
''Sorry Timmuilwijk, I can't playtest it in the next few days, because I'm on holiday in Croatia. Sorry.

P.S. Anyway, this place is cool, with the sun shining, and the beach is not far away.''

No Problem, I myself await the new Pacific and Med. Expansions so I can playtest myself as well, over the weekends. Enjoy your holiday in Croatia, I want to go their myself one day too!

''The Invasion of Malta:

Malta, the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" was destroying the AfrikaKorps supplies. The Germans where ready to invade the island with Paratroops, but decided they could not trust the Italians to do their part.

The option to invade Malta is part of the old SPI Panzer Armee Afrika game ''

Malta was indeed the decisive factor. Although the Luftwaffe bombed the island for a period of time just after the Afrika Korps had landed in Libya. Then the airfield etc. was damaged but Hitler never dared to use his paratroopers in a landing. This would cost him the entire Med. Front (because North Africa was lost - lack of supplies and the Allies gained a springboard for the invasion of Italy and Southern France, as well as a threat to other areas)

I would like to make one of these too, but for now I am focused on Sea Lion, but I will probably (when I receive Med. Theatre Expansion) have a look at it! Do you have any maps or troop data for the Malta garrison + favorable beaches for invasion?

Tim
      
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Re:''What if...'' Fri, 31 July 2009 19:26
SlotraceDK wrote on Thu, 16 July 2009 02:53

"What if..." scenarios doesn't do it for me.

Thing is, once any simulated battle or campaign or war begins, it quickly BECOMES a "what if" scenario. You're playing Axis & Allies as Japan and decide to focus on the war for Asia rather than the war in the Pacific? You are now playing a "what if".
      
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Re:''What if...'' Fri, 31 July 2009 20:36
I agree,

although we take these scenarios (or campaign if you like), they are entirely fictional (based on plans). However, if you play a normal scenario, most of the time the battle does not develop the way the story should be - what if again...

Tim
      
    
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