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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Wed, 14 October 2009 21:55
eric wrote on Wed, 14 October 2009 21:47

You don't need Operation Overlord for the Standard scenarios.


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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Wed, 14 October 2009 23:08
ad79 wrote on Wed, 14 October 2009 12:55

eric wrote on Wed, 14 October 2009 21:47

You don't need Operation Overlord for the Standard scenarios.


Ras, I surrender!


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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Wed, 14 October 2009 23:30
To get us back on topic for a moment.

I fully expect to see the Combat deck tuckbox before christmas, you no-good-know-it-all-teacher! Laughing

      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 15 October 2009 00:42
ad79 wrote on Wed, 14 October 2009 14:30

To get us back on topic for a moment.

I fully expect to see the Combat deck tuckbox before christmas, you no-good-know-it-all-teacher! Laughing


Ah, I'm seeing the true nature of administrators coming out! Hostility toward us common teachers... Laughing

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 15 October 2009 06:24
What? No plastic figures for us to criticize?!?! Shocked

where's the fun? Laughing

      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 19 October 2009 03:52

Please remind me about how to get the discount... I seem to remember it involves using a Web Code from the base game, Pacific Theater or any other DoW game...
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 19 October 2009 12:28
PanzerRunes wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 21:52


Please remind me about how to get the discount... I seem to remember it involves using a Web Code from the base game, Pacific Theater or any other DoW game...



When DOW redid it's site, my account was given discount coupons (from games previously registered). Every time I ordered after that, these coupons were automatically used towards my order.
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 19 October 2009 16:34
PanzerRunes,
In order to get a discount you will need to enter a code number from your purchased game into the system.
You do this by going to MY ACCOUNT. At the bottom left of the screen will be another hypertext stating MY BOARD GAMES. If you have a code number from a game that you have not entered this is the place to enter it. Once you do, for each game entered you will receive a 10% discount coupon on a future purchase from the DOW store. The system tracks your entry and you will need to review your discount credit listing when you make your order.

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 19 October 2009 16:36
You can only get up to 20% discount for each purchase, but for the new Battle Map, that brings the price down nicely! Cool

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 19 October 2009 21:59
Exactly. 16,80 euro shipping included (with 20% discount)...
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Tue, 20 October 2009 04:18
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Tue, 27 October 2009 12:13
The DOW on-line shop originally said these would be available in November. It is now saying January 2010.

Is this because they have sold out of the first batch on pre-order or has the issue date just slipped?

When will UK stockists have them in?

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Tue, 27 October 2009 16:45
From what I see the online store says it will ship around 12/1/2009.
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Tue, 27 October 2009 16:54
Sgt Storm wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 15:45

From what I see the online store says it will ship around 12/1/2009.



Yes, apologies all round I must have misread the date. However it has still slipped from the original early November date to early December.
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Tue, 27 October 2009 17:06
Vulch wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 08:54

Sgt Storm wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 15:45

From what I see the online store says it will ship around 12/1/2009.



Yes, apologies all round I must have misread the date. However it has still slipped from the original early November date to early December.


As long as I get it before Christmas, I'm happy. It's a perfect Christmas present! Very Happy
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Tue, 03 November 2009 10:54
Sgt Storm wrote on Mon, 12 October 2009 22:43

I just noticed this has a revised Behind Enemy Lines card, presumably fixing the error. Or is this revised for another reason?

The only other reason would be to fix the error they made when they included the original text in the reprinted deck. Cool Cool Cool
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If this fixes the error, I hope it has a couple (3 would be nice) as I have multiple decks of cards.

It contains a single card (plus one in French).
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 05 November 2009 02:25
I'm sorry to go against the flow here, but I have some negative thoughts about this expansion.

Now, I'm sure the quality of the map and components will be good. The problem is, I don't play Overlord. I only have one opponent against which I play, and neither of us is interested in playing two-player Overlord. Also, I don't own the Overlord expansion nor a second base game (and don't plan on buying those), so we couldn't even play Overlord scenarios of any kind.

However, I do have the Mediterranean Theater expansion, and use the Summary cards provided with the Air Pack. The problem is, if I want to buy the extra summary cards for an expansion I do have (MT), I'd be forced in buying an add-on to an expansion I don't have (OL). I'm rather unhappy that these extra summary cards only seem to come with a Battle Map.

Same thing for the revised Behind Enemy Lines... I would've thought DoW might've been able to send one to buyers of the base game (possibly one to every registered M44 game code?) instead of packing it in an expansion to an expansion. Especially since I bought the game only last year, and it still came with the "wrong" version of the card.

I'm hoping it becomes possible to buy the deck of cards that comes with this battle map (or at least the summary cards & BEL) separately, because I'll never buy this product as such, but I do want those summary cards if at all possible.

Hopefully this didn't come out sounding too negatively, those are just my concerns! Confused
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 05 November 2009 02:31
Those are very valid concerns and I think you did a great job expressing them. For your sake (and other players who don't play Overlord) I hope they do make the cards available.

Until you get the cards, you can find them online or on my Player Aid that's over on my User Page. Cool
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 05 November 2009 11:57
Let me say that I think you are missing the boat by not playing OL games. I have played many such games with anywhere from 2 to 8 players per side and have enjoyed all of them. It is true you lose a bit of the OL effect when there are only two players, but playing the game on that scale is a whole new experience.

I know this would require the purchase of another base game (or at least the OL expansion and the winter desert board -- which can fill in for a regular board) and you have stated that you did not wish to do this. I think it would be will worth the investment.

It looks like you are one of the few who have stuck with the system but only pick and choose to buy a few of the expansions. That sort of purchase pattern almost ensures that you will miss out on the very cards you wish to have as I do not believe DOW will ever get around to breaking those out of the expansions for separate purchase.

I do know where you are coming from here though, as for the longest time I wished that DOW would sell the minis from their games separately (at one time they stated they would do that -- way back in '04 I believe) but that never came to past.

At any rate, having said that, I can see your point here. Also, if you wish to stick w/ just the regular scenarios for whatever reasons you (and your gaming opponent) have, that is all well and good too.

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 05 November 2009 15:24
rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 04 November 2009 20:31

Those are very valid concerns and I think you did a great job expressing them. For your sake (and other players who don't play Overlord) I hope they do make the cards available.

Until you get the cards, you can find them online or on my Player Aid that's over on my User Page. Cool


I didn't find the cards on your page. Can you help?
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 05 November 2009 15:45
ad79 wrote on Tue, 13 October 2009 01:31

They work with regular scenarios too.

The regular scenarios are named: "Mamayev Kurgan" and "Pavlov, Hero of the Soviet Union"
I don't know enough about the war to tell anything from the names about what they desribe. Does the names mean anything to you?


Hi ad79,

There are names with current historical background.
Everybody throughout of Russia know about "Mamaev kurgan" and Pavlov's House.
Mamaev Kurgan is Highland point that was the strategic key of Stalingrad. If Germans could place there ARTY, they would be able to bombard each part of town. The grass didn't grow several post war years due to burnt ground. There is big sculpture of Motherland with a sword in hand at present days.
Sergant Pavlov with 20 soldiers held this building in the center of Stalingrad in 2 month under non stop Germans attack and bombardment.

Greetz from Motherland of Russia.
Serge aka longbearder

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 05 November 2009 16:21
rickert wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 06:24

rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 04 November 2009 20:31

Those are very valid concerns and I think you did a great job expressing them. For your sake (and other players who don't play Overlord) I hope they do make the cards available.

Until you get the cards, you can find them online or on my Player Aid that's over on my User Page. Cool


I didn't find the cards on your page. Can you help?



Sorry, if the cards haven't been released yet, they won't be online either. But once they are released, you'll be able to find the new cards online and on my Player Aid. I don't even look at the actual cards anymore because it's just faster to use the Player Aid.
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 05 November 2009 18:41
Shnik wrote on Wed, 04 November 2009 18:25

I'm sorry to go against the flow here, but I have some negative thoughts about this expansion.

Now, I'm sure the quality of the map and components will be good. The problem is, I don't play Overlord. I only have one opponent against which I play, and neither of us is interested in playing two-player Overlord. Also, I don't own the Overlord expansion nor a second base game (and don't plan on buying those), so we couldn't even play Overlord scenarios of any kind.

However, I do have the Mediterranean Theater expansion, and use the Summary cards provided with the Air Pack. The problem is, if I want to buy the extra summary cards for an expansion I do have (MT), I'd be forced in buying an add-on to an expansion I don't have (OL). I'm rather unhappy that these extra summary cards only seem to come with a Battle Map.

Same thing for the revised Behind Enemy Lines... I would've thought DoW might've been able to send one to buyers of the base game (possibly one to every registered M44 game code?) instead of packing it in an expansion to an expansion. Especially since I bought the game only last year, and it still came with the "wrong" version of the card.

I'm hoping it becomes possible to buy the deck of cards that comes with this battle map (or at least the summary cards & BEL) separately, because I'll never buy this product as such, but I do want those summary cards if at all possible.

Hopefully this didn't come out sounding too negatively, those are just my concerns! Confused


I couldn't agree more. I too, only have one other person to play against, and I don't like the idea of having to buy extra packs, to play overlord...I'm quite happy with standard scenarios. With that being said, I would like to think DOW realizes that OL is the lesser played way, and will take the necessary steps to ensure that people who play regular scenarios are able to enjoy all the NEW enhancements, such as trucks, tigers, urban etc, without having to buy expansions that will only be half used. It would be nice to hear DOW state this!
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Thu, 05 November 2009 23:13
longbearder wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 15:45

ad79 wrote on Tue, 13 October 2009 01:31

They work with regular scenarios too.

The regular scenarios are named: "Mamayev Kurgan" and "Pavlov, Hero of the Soviet Union"
I don't know enough about the war to tell anything from the names about what they desribe. Does the names mean anything to you?


Hi ad79,

There are names with current historical background.
Everybody throughout of Russia know about "Mamaev kurgan" and Pavlov's House.
Mamaev Kurgan is Highland point that was the strategic key of Stalingrad. If Germans could place there ARTY, they would be able to bombard each part of town. The grass didn't grow several post war years due to burnt ground. There is big sculpture of Motherland with a sword in hand at present days.
Sergant Pavlov with 20 soldiers held this building in the center of Stalingrad in 2 month under non stop Germans attack and bombardment.

Greetz from Motherland of Russia.
Serge aka longbearder



Thanks, Longbearder.

I also read the post you put up on boardgamegeek.com about the names, and have read a bit about them on different internet sites afterwards. I look forward to playing these scenarios.

ad79
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Fri, 06 November 2009 00:06
tank commander wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 05:57

Let me say that I think you are missing the boat by not playing OL games. I have played many such games with anywhere from 2 to 8 players per side and have enjoyed all of them. It is true you lose a bit of the OL effect when there are only two players, but playing the game on that scale is a whole new experience.

I know this would require the purchase of another base game (or at least the OL expansion and the winter desert board -- which can fill in for a regular board) and you have stated that you did not wish to do this. I think it would be will worth the investment.

It looks like you are one of the few who have stuck with the system but only pick and choose to buy a few of the expansions. That sort of purchase pattern almost ensures that you will miss out on the very cards you wish to have as I do not believe DOW will ever get around to breaking those out of the expansions for separate purchase.

I do know where you are coming from here though, as for the longest time I wished that DOW would sell the minis from their games separately (at one time they stated they would do that -- way back in '04 I believe) but that never came to past.

At any rate, having said that, I can see your point here. Also, if you wish to stick w/ just the regular scenarios for whatever reasons you (and your gaming opponent) have, that is all well and good too.


About the expansions - I actually have every single "normal" expansion (including the Campaign Bag). The only expansions I don't have are Operation Overlord and the 2 current Battle Maps.

And as fun as it may be for you, I'm still not interested in playing OL games; already I find BT scenarios to be rather long to play, and OL also adds in extra complexity in setup (non-BM at least), card usage, and play (bigger card hand, possibility of playing 3+ Command Cards per turn). But to each his own! Cool
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Fri, 06 November 2009 00:26
Wrecker wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 12:41

With that being said, I would like to think DOW realizes that OL is the lesser played way, and will take the necessary steps to ensure that people who play regular scenarios are able to enjoy all the NEW enhancements, such as trucks, tigers, urban etc, without having to buy expansions that will only be half used. It would be nice to hear DOW state this!



I'd like to specify that I personally don't mind that DoW include "unique" items with their OL Battle Maps (as with any other products). They are a company in it for the money, after all. Including "regular" scenarios in TitS and this new Battle Map is, IMHO, a great marketing move, making these expansions more interesting to players like us (I still personally won't buy them, but it's a plus). I also wouldn't mind if DoW further supported the Trucks, Tigers, etc. with online scenarios.

What I would mind is if DoW came out with, say, a new Campaign Book which required Tigers or Combat deck - then I wouldn't be happy (unless it was an OL-only expansion), and probably wouldn't buy that expansion. Or, as in this case, where an add-on for a "regular" expansion comes as a side-dish to what is mainly an OL expansion.
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Fri, 06 November 2009 12:42
I have ordered Stalingrad from the DOW online European shop, for the simple reason that I have everything else and can't bear to have a missing bit from a full set Cool

I know.............it's very sad Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Fri, 06 November 2009 20:06
No it is not sad....I am doing the same Razz Only have to order the Bag, Overlord and indeed Swords of Stalingrad.... Laughing

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Sat, 07 November 2009 10:38
Timmuilwijk wrote on Fri, 06 November 2009 19:06

No it is not sad....I am doing the same Razz Only have to order the Bag, Overlord and indeed Swords of Stalingrad.... Laughing

Tim



I love my bag. It keeps everything in one place (although I had to decant the expansions into some craft boxes, which are actually easier to use). I just have to stop my son pinching it as he thinks it would make a really cool school bag!

I have a nice little space reserved in the map pocket for Stalingrad Smile
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 09 November 2009 12:29
Shnik wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 02:25

I'm sorry to go against the flow here, but I have some negative thoughts about this expansion.

Now, I'm sure the quality of the map and components will be good. The problem is, I don't play Overlord.


But the Overlord map is just one item from the whole bundle.
You will still be able to appreciate the
- 2 new Standard Scenarios
- the revised BEL card
- 20 new card Combat deck
- 10 new Summary cards


If you want to complain about something, you could complay about having to pay for the 48% of the bundle that is in French.

But then again, instead of complaining you could try to ask in the French forum and see if you can get the cards you want from one of the French buyers.

I certainly have no use for my free french forces cards.

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 09 November 2009 22:53
GreatDane wrote on Mon, 09 November 2009 11:29

Shnik wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 02:25

I'm sorry to go against the flow here, but I have some negative thoughts about this expansion.

Now, I'm sure the quality of the map and components will be good. The problem is, I don't play Overlord.


But the Overlord map is just one item from the whole bundle.
You will still be able to appreciate the
- 2 new Standard Scenarios
- the revised BEL card
- 20 new card Combat deck
- 10 new Summary cards


If you want to complain about something...


Who could possibly complain about that package?! And why would anyone not want to play Overlord? I often play Ovlerord games solo and find them very enjoyable.
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 21 December 2009 17:03
GreatDane wrote on Mon, 09 November 2009 04:29

Shnik wrote on Thu, 05 November 2009 02:25

I'm sorry to go against the flow here, but I have some negative thoughts about this expansion.

Now, I'm sure the quality of the map and components will be good. The problem is, I don't play Overlord.


But the Overlord map is just one item from the whole bundle.
You will still be able to appreciate the
- 2 new Standard Scenarios
- the revised BEL card
- 20 new card Combat deck
- 10 new Summary cards


If you want to complain about something, you could complay about having to pay for the 48% of the bundle that is in French.

But then again, instead of complaining you could try to ask in the French forum and see if you can get the cards you want from one of the French buyers.

I certainly have no use for my free french forces cards.


What is the purpose of the "revised" BEL card? It reads exactly the same as the one that came in the original game!
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 21 December 2009 17:29
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What is the purpose of the "revised" BEL card? It reads exactly the same as the one that came in the original game!



Most people didn't get the card as written on this new BEL card. That's why there's a little note about it in the FAQ and why they sent out the "revised" card.

The older (incorrect) version of the card said that Terrain movement reductions still applied. Richard said that the movement reductions shouldn't apply...hence the new card. Cool If you already had the revised card, you can just use this new one as a book mark or something. Smile
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 21 December 2009 18:37
^ OK...thanks.
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Wed, 23 December 2009 02:14
So needless to say the quality of the components is top notch. Interesting scenarios, wild maps on the two Overlord scenarios that look like nothing we've seen before.

Of greatest interest to me, though, are the Combat Cards.

Let me tell you that they're quite cool. The deck is a bit thin at the moment, but I assume it will be expanded in future packs. I look forward to additions. The rules for these cards are pretty straightforward and easy to incorporate into the game. The cards themselves are often very powerful, allowing you to pull off some pretty battle-changing moves. They do a great job of bringing the unpredictable, shifts-in-an-instant nature of urban combat to the M44 system. Unexpected reinforcements, snipers, the ability to make sudden movements without terrain restrictions, and more.

Combat cards = lots of potential here. I can see them being retrofitted into some existing scenarios, if desired.

Also very welcome to get cards for the new units and terrain types that hadn't gotten them yet. Makes it easier to bring, say, supply trucks into other scenarios.

It is worth $25 or so JUST for the cards? Hard to say. If you're not going to play the scenarios then that might be a little steep. If you are, though, this one is as big a no-brainer as the Tigers in the Snow map. The cards are superb and are supplemented with some great new scenarios that show the potential of the Combat Cards.
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Fri, 25 December 2009 21:27
In this expansion's "Pavlov, Hero of the Soviet Union" scenario, it says, "Taken together, these 9 German objective hexes also form a Temporary Majority Medal Objective worth 2 Medals for the Soviet forces. The Soviet player is in control of them at the start of the battle." (Emphasis added.)

Does this mean the Russian player controls all 9 objectives at the beginning of the game -- which would mean Germany has to occupy 5 in order to displace him?

Or do the Russians get credit only for the objectives they physically occupy at the moment?

In a game just now, my Germans held 3 objectives, while the Russians occupied only 2, and we weren't sure whether to reduce his score.

(By the way, folks, I love this expansion!)

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Sat, 26 December 2009 08:41
Whoever has most units in those 9 hexes has majority and get the medals.
You don't get medals for the individual hexes, only for the whole group of hexes.

So to get the 2 medals one side has to have MORE units than their enemy.

If the Germans and Russians have an equal number of units in those 9 hexes, no side gets the medals.

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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 28 December 2009 14:26
Street Fight:
Get the unit the +1 dice also for second battle (ARM in overrun) ?
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Mon, 28 December 2009 15:01
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Street Fight:
Get the unit the +1 dice also for second battle (ARM in overrun) ?

I would think yes. (And also for infantry in Heat of Battle, if played at same time as Street Fight.)
      
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Re:New Memoir '44 Battle Map: Sword of Stalingrad Tue, 29 December 2009 19:46
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Many of Stalingrad´s named city landmarks had received extensive damage from the Luftwaffe prior to the advance of German
ground forces. Play them like the hexes used to represent them however (ie Barracks & Factory hexes play like a Town),
rather than as City ruins; in Overlord play, this conforms remarkably well to the difficulties of urban combat both armies experienced.


I dont understand, how this part of rules works exact? Confused
      
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