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Maimed
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Stalingrad problem, heeeelppp please Sat, 16 January 2010 20:28
Hi mates

usuign the commisar rule, it happended twice in one came that cards playced under the commisar were no longer playbable. what happeds to them? are they played back in the hand or discardsed (unused- which is really harsh)

help please
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M
      
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Re:Stalingrad problem, heeeelppp please Sat, 16 January 2010 20:51
Maimed wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 20:28

Hi mates

usuign the commisar rule, it happended twice in one came that cards playced under the commisar were no longer playbable. what happeds to them? are they played back in the hand or discardsed (unused- which is really harsh)

help please
Cheers
M


This is the thing that I like about the Russian command rule.
Things can change, and cards can be useless, or the situation can improve for you.

In your case they are discarded. It is harsh, but reflects why the commisars was abandoned after Stalingrad.
      
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Re:Stalingrad problem, heeeelppp please Sat, 16 January 2010 21:16
ad79 wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 20:51

Maimed wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 20:28

Hi mates

usuign the commisar rule, it happended twice in one came that cards playced under the commisar were no longer playbable. what happeds to them? are they played back in the hand or discardsed (unused- which is really harsh)

help please
Cheers
M


This is the thing that I like about the Russian command rule.
Things can change, and cards can be useless, or the situation can improve for you.

In your case they are discarded. It is harsh, but reflects why the commisars was abandoned after Stalingrad.


OK poor Russian is screwed.. Sad((((

the commisar rule is still uised in Tigers in the snow rightr? and that was 1945 right?
or do I have that wrong?

please give me a hand again
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M
      
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Re:Stalingrad problem, heeeelppp please Sat, 16 January 2010 21:23
In 'Tigers in the Snow' Commissar Rules are not in effect.
      
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Re:Stalingrad problem, heeeelppp please Sat, 16 January 2010 23:36
The double command system for the Russians(Command rule) was abandoned after Stalingrad. (Around october 1942 I think) so no scenarios that are set after this date uses the command rule.

This page on Wikipedia gives a bit more information.

Political commissar
A political commissar was a high-ranking functionary at a military headquarters who held coequal rank and authority with the military commander of the unit. Political commissars were established to control the military forces by the Communist party. No military order might be issued which did not have the prior approval of both the commander and the commissar.

Although lower-level political officers never received the same military training as commanding officers, most commissars were high-ranking party bosses and never had any military training or talent.

Following the disasters of 1942, the political command was abolished. Political officers only survived at the regimental level, in the form of a Deputy for Political Matters, and at the front (Soviet military jargon for an army) level, where they formed the Military Councils with respective military commanders.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissar
      
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Re:Stalingrad problem, heeeelppp please Sun, 17 January 2010 00:05
Maimed wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 12:16

the commisar rule is still uised in Tigers in the snow rightr? and that was 1945 right?
or do I have that wrong?

please give me a hand again
Cheers
M


If the Commissar Rules are in effect, the Special Rules will always list it. Cool I don't believe Tigers in the Snow lists the rule, so they are not in effect.

[Updated on: Sun, 17 January 2010 00:12]

      
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Re:Stalingrad problem, heeeelppp please Sun, 17 January 2010 19:11
ad79 wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 19:51


This is the thing that I like about the Russian command rule.
Things can change, and cards can be useless, or the situation can improve for you.




it's particularly interesting with some of the "special" cards- something like a close assault. An extra-powerful card suddenly just becomes burning a card to freshen up the hand.

Annoying, but nowhere near as bad as seeing your men slaughtered due to political bureacracy I should imagine.
      
    
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