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rasmussen81
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Breakthrough!
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Tue, 16 March 2010 15:30
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It's a good day to be a Memoir '44 player!! 
DoW just announced its latest expansion for the Memoir '44 line and it's amazing! The Breakthrough Expansions looks like it's taking the game even further and adding even more excitement to the Memoir experience.
Nice work, DoW and Richard. Keep the good times rolling!
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Achtung Panzer
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Tue, 16 March 2010 16:21
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Though I notice the "never before in print" reference for the new scenarios, and I recognise Counter Attack of the BEF, this is excellent news and I'm delighted that the Breakthrough offer has now been expanded. The beach board has so much potential (2 x Sword scenarios) and the Winter board now allows for the expanse and scale of the Eastern front.
Available in April for Europe, I can't wait!
Many thanks to JDrommel and all at DoW!
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sniperscout
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Tue, 16 March 2010 22:42
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Just put in my order. April cannot come soon enough!
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PanzerRunes
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Tue, 16 March 2010 23:46
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And I was wondering what I would spend some money on this month...
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Mighty Jim 83
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Wed, 17 March 2010 01:06
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Brilliant
clealry all the discussions have been heard.
Really looking forward to this one - and glad it's coming with a good few scenarios
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Shnik
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Wed, 17 March 2010 01:13
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| Achtung Panzer wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 11:21 |
Though I notice the "never before in print" reference for the new scenarios, and I recognise Counter Attack of the BEF, this is excellent news and I'm delighted that the Breakthrough offer has now been expanded. The beach board has so much potential (2 x Sword scenarios) and the Winter board now allows for the expanse and scale of the Eastern front.
Available in April for Europe, I can't wait!
Many thanks to JDrommel and all at DoW!
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Yeah, a bit sad that it looks like 3 of the 15 scenarios were already available, but this is looking like a definite purchase at the moment.
By the way - anyone else notice these boards have no side border? I wonder if DoW plans on publishing actual Overlord Breakthrough scenarios?
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trumpetman52
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Wed, 17 March 2010 02:31
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Ras,
do you know if these boards are of the stiff stock like the original memoir maps or are they like the paper stock of some of the expansions?
Trumpetman52
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rasmussen81
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Wed, 17 March 2010 02:46
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| trumpetman52 wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 18:31 |
Ras,
do you know if these boards are of the stiff stock like the original memoir maps or are they like the paper stock of some of the expansions?
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From what the press release says, I believe it's the stiff stock just like the base maps (and desert/winter boards) that we already have! It wouldn't work for these Overlord boards to be made of the paper stock and still fold up in a 9-section thing...
This will be a hefty expansion!
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trumpetman52
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Wed, 17 March 2010 03:17
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Ras
That's what I was thinking when I read the info, but I wanted the scoop from someone in the know.
Count Me in
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yosemite
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Wed, 17 March 2010 04:16
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Looks SWEEEEEET!!! I'm in for one!
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rasmussen81
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Wed, 17 March 2010 15:50
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| trumpetman52 wrote on Tue, 16 March 2010 19:17 |
Ras
That's what I was thinking when I read the info, but I wanted the scoop from someone in the know.
Count Me in
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Here's an even more official answer from Yann!| Quote: |
Confirmed, they are made of heavy thick made-in-Germany carton. The whole expansion weights about 2 kilograms (4.4 lb)! 
Yann
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It's going to be Epic...I mean, Breakthrough!! 
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trumpetman52
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Thu, 18 March 2010 05:10
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Where can you go and get questions answered straight from the game manufacturer???
I'm breathing hard
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GreatDane
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Thu, 18 March 2010 11:04
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| trumpetman52 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2010 05:10 |
Where can you go and get questions answered straight from the game manufacturer???
I'm breathing hard
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I'm afraid that the German and Chinese manufacturers are not interested in answering questions relating to games published by their customers. And Days of Wonder cannot afford their own factories - yet.
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trumpetman52
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Thu, 18 March 2010 16:11
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With that thought, I hope that Days of Wonder NEVER looses sight of where they came from and what made them great. Never forget the people that got you to where you are.
I feel a sermon coming on.
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rasmussen81
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Thu, 18 March 2010 16:20
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| trumpetman52 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2010 08:11 |
With that thought, I hope that Days of Wonder NEVER looses sight of where they came from and what made them great. Never forget the people that got you to where you are.
I feel a sermon coming on.
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Have you met any of the Days of Wonder team? They all seem very down-to-earth, so I don't think we have much to worry about...they've been running a very successful company so far and I don't see them making a sudden change into a company that only cares about the bottom line (though they have to care about that to some extent). 
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Mighty Jim 83
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Thu, 18 March 2010 18:25
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But without the online community, the level of support we get and so on, how many of us would be checking the Days of Wonder website every day, and how many of us would have already pre-ordered a game that was only announced a couple of days ago?
Seems to me like being the sort of company Days of Wonder is can't be doing too much harm to the bottom line...
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rasmussen81
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Thu, 18 March 2010 18:29
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| Mighty Jim 83 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2010 10:25 |
But without the online community, the level of support we get and so on, how many of us would be checking the Days of Wonder website every day, and how many of us would have already pre-ordered a game that was only announced a couple of days ago?
Seems to me like being the sort of company Days of Wonder is can't be doing too much harm to the bottom line...
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Very good point!
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Kaufschtick
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Fri, 19 March 2010 08:24
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| trumpetman52 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2010 11:11 |
With that thought, I hope that Days of Wonder NEVER looses sight of where they came from and what made them great. Never forget the people that got you to where you are.
I feel a sermon coming on.
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LOL!!! You and me both!
Great news, I can't wait to get my hands on these Breakthrough maps!
Super company, super support, super product!
DoW, you can count on my continued support, great job, keep up the great work!
Desert breakthrough board eh, I'm glad now that I finally doubled up on the Russians & Japanese, looks like it's time to complete the circle and double up on the Brits! Lord, that bag weighs a ton as it is now! 
Do they sell the bags with little wheels on the bottom & a handle to pull it with?
I'm gonna need a second bag soon!
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Mighty Jim 83
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Fri, 19 March 2010 10:03
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Slightly mundane question here - does anyone know how big Breakthrough boards are?
just wondering whether they'll actually fit on my kitchen table...
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Achtung Panzer
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Fri, 19 March 2010 11:01
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| Mighty Jim 83 wrote on Fri, 19 March 2010 09:03 |
Slightly mundane question here - does anyone know how big Breakthrough boards are?
just wondering whether they'll actually fit on my kitchen table...
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I have to fold the edges under for the Breakthrough paper map so that it fits on my table. However I notice that these edges (showing the relevant cards for the Breakthrough scenario) are missing from the new boards.
Very happy that there'll be no creases too!
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sam1812
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Sat, 20 March 2010 00:32
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| Mighty Jim 83 wrote on Fri, 19 March 2010 05:03 |
Slightly mundane question here - does anyone know how big Breakthrough boards are?
just wondering whether they'll actually fit on my kitchen table...
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If your table isn't large enough, you can put a piece of plywood on top, or play on the floor, or ask your wife (assuming you have one) if she's interested in a little furniture shopping.
When my son and I play, we often use the floor.
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Mighty Jim 83
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tank commander
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Sat, 20 March 2010 01:28
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A clever idea for those who are restricted to a dinner table and usually cannot leave a game setup for long peroids of time (you have to eat you know - lol).
Make a frame a bit bigger than the table so that it can go over the table edges and rest slightly above the table surface -- you would have to place wood stops along the inside of the frame. Then screw on a flat piece of wood on top of the frame. Most tables are covered with a table cloth awayway, so the frame top could be nothing more than a piece of plywood. This would cover the table in between games and could be used to eat off of - hey just the flat surface of the actual dinner table which is underneath.
But what of the table surface you ask? Why that is where you can leave a game setup in between sessions and when you are ready to play - -after eating of course -- lift off the table frame surface to reveil the game.
When meals are in order or when not playing the frame top rests on the dinner table.
A simple solution and one which a few wifes might go along with.
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stevens
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Sat, 20 March 2010 03:18
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Mighty Jim,
I don't know if anyone directly answered your question. The Breakthrough board is approximately 35" deep and 28" wide. To be more exact (34 3/4" X 27 3/4"). I hope this is helpful.
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Kaufschtick
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rasmussen81
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Sat, 20 March 2010 05:34
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| Kaufschtick wrote on Fri, 19 March 2010 21:20 |
Yeah, wasn't the map that came with the military style travel bag a breakthrough map?
I thought that the overlord maps were basically like two of the basic game's mapboards laid side by side, or short end to short end. The breakthrough maps were like two of the basic game's mapboard laid down "two deep" style, or long side against long side.
The one that came with the bag had pre-printed terrain on one side, and was completely blank on the other sid.
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Correct on all counts.
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trumpetman52
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Sat, 20 March 2010 05:39
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You guys keep talking about kids playing and wives playing, these are both foreign to me.
Now I hear about getting the floor and playing. If I got on the floor, I'd never be able to get back up after and hour of playing.
At my age I'm just glad to be able to sit in the chair at the table and play. In fact, I'm glad to be able to sit at the table OR play.
LOL
Have a good day
Trumpetman52
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Maimed
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Sat, 20 March 2010 18:48
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| trumpetman52 wrote on Sat, 20 March 2010 05:39 |
You guys keep talking about kids playing and wives playing, these are both foreign to me.
Now I hear about getting the floor and playing. If I got on the floor, I'd never be able to get back up after and hour of playing.
At my age I'm just glad to be able to sit in the chair at the table and play. In fact, I'm glad to be able to sit at the table OR play.
LOL
Have a good day
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playing on the floor at my age is not possable for me either.
I DO have a gaming room with chairs and tables and good lighting.
Not I only need a few players Grrrrrr
Cheers
Mike
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trumpetman52
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Tue, 23 March 2010 04:30
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Maimed
It's nice to know there are seasoned people out there like me.
If we lived a little closer together, maybe we could play. It would be quite a feat for us to play together. I can see it now.
"Honey, I'm going over to Mikes to play memoir."
"Okay, when will you be back?"
"In a couple of days."
"What do you mean in a couple of days? Are you going to the moon?"
"No, just to Germany."
LOL
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GreatDane
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Tue, 23 March 2010 10:41
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| rasmussen81 wrote on Thu, 18 March 2010 16:20 |
Have you met any of the Days of Wonder team? They all seem very down-to-earth, so I don't think we have much to worry about...they've been running a very successful company so far and I don't see them making a sudden change into a company that only cares about the bottom line (though they have to care about that to some extent).
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That can be said for all the publishers I have met (and that includes a fair number of people). Even Christian T. Petersen of Fantasy Flight Games is a nice, down-to-earth person - and people seem to worry a lot about FFG!
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rasmussen81
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Tue, 23 March 2010 16:07
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| GreatDane wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 02:41 |
That can be said for all the publishers I have met (and that includes a fair number of people). Even Christian T. Petersen of Fantasy Flight Games is a nice, down-to-earth person - and people seem to worry a lot about FFG!
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I don't know FFG very well...is there something to worry about? Maybe it's just the nature of players to worry about their favorite board game company, no matter how savvy or smart the people who run them are!
I think we tend to forget that running their company is all some of the people do, and they don't want their own business to fail. When we see an expansion come out that we personally aren't excited about (for any game system, though on this Forum it'll be for Memoir '44) we somehow think that we know what should be happening better than the whole company, even though we don't know all the facts. 
It's an interesting phenomenon! I guess the good thing is that everyone cares what happens to DoW and wants it to succeed!
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GreatDane
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Thu, 25 March 2010 13:33
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| rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 16:07 |
I don't know FFG very well...is there something to worry about?
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Nothing to worry about at all
But business is business, and even nice guys have to make unpopular decisions once in a while.
I am sure Memoir'44 is in good hands at DoW.
- However, the Battlelore fans probably thought that too!
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rasmussen81
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Re:Breakthrough!
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Thu, 25 March 2010 15:58
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| GreatDane wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 05:33 |
| rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 16:07 |
I don't know FFG very well...is there something to worry about?
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I am sure Memoir'44 is in good hands at DoW.
- However, the Battlelore fans probably thought that too!
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This made me laugh. You have a point, however, personally I'm not worried that DoW is going to sell Memoir '44 to another game company.
By the way, how is Battlelore doing over at FFG? Have they come out with any good expansions for it in a while?
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OldBloodandGuts
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Thu, 25 March 2010 19:46
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| rasmussen81 wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 10:58 |
| GreatDane wrote on Thu, 25 March 2010 05:33 |
| rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 16:07 |
I don't know FFG very well...is there something to worry about?
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I am sure Memoir'44 is in good hands at DoW.
- However, the Battlelore fans probably thought that too!
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This made me laugh. You have a point, however, personally I'm not worried that DoW is going to sell Memoir '44 to another game company.
By the way, how is Battlelore doing over at FFG? Have they come out with any good expansions for it in a while?
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My brother is very into Battlelore, and I tried getting some of the expansions for him this Christmas but everything was out of stock. So I guess Battlelore is either doing really well over there (it's out of stock because it sells so fast), or - more likely - it's being mismanaged and the expansions that people want are all out of print.
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ad79
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Thu, 25 March 2010 19:53
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FFG said something about the price for the basegame being difficult to maintain for the reprint they will have to do,because Days of Wonder had crammed a ton of stuff into that game and FFG had some problems to maintain a profit with the price set by DoW.
Don't know how FFG will handle that, but other than that they have released the expansions that was in the works when they bought the game from DoW and have announced a Goblin army expansion just this week.
Haven't played the game myself, Memoir'44 takes care of the c&c itch for me.
Although I am curious about C&C:Napoleonics by GMT.
Stig Morten
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Mighty Jim 83
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Fri, 26 March 2010 09:44
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I'm really keen to see the C&C Napoleonics too - pre-orded my copy on the day it was announced.
Compared with DoW though, GMT don't seem to offer the same levels of support - I had terrible trouble getting hold of the base game of C&C ancients, they were releasing all these expansions, with not a base game to be had for love nor money.
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tank commander
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Sun, 28 March 2010 16:12
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| Mighty Jim 83 wrote on Fri, 26 March 2010 04:44 |
I had terrible trouble getting hold of the base game of C&C ancients, they were releasing all these expansions, with not a base game to be had for love nor money.
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I can see your point about not having the base game available when they had all the expansions, but...
What happens here is they only print so many copies of a game - then all the preorders go out along with copies to the wholesalers with some left over and available on the GMT site for sale. But once they are gone - they are gone. Basing how a company serves it's customers by them not being able to provide you with an out of print game does not seem to be fair.
Do not forget, that DOW also ran out of a few Memoir '44 items and they were out for a while till reprints could be made.
If the demand is high enough, then a reprint may be in the offing, as happended the the C & C base game.
I have dealt with GMT before, and I have been happy with their service.
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xfoley8
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Tue, 06 April 2010 22:58
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Doesn't GMT base their reprints (and initial printings, I think) on getting 500 pre-orders first? In other words, once a game is out of stock, they don't reprint until they have 500 guaranteed orders? Can't blame them for that- it's a business model that seems to work for them, as a company whose products have a limited (but very dedicated) fanbase.
As to Battlelore, I never picked the game up because I didn't want yet another expensive, 'never-ending expansions' game to buy (when I get hooked, I usually get the majority of any expansions offered). I have been following the issues at FFG with BL, though, and it seems they want to use the 'Battlelore' brand to market games that have nothing to do with Borg's C&C system, which has been causing quite a stir. Some find it very misleading to see the established Battlelore logo on a game that has nothing to do with BL itself, and can't be used in conjunction with it. I can understand that- does seem a bit dodgy. It sounds like they bought Battlelore as a marketing brand, as opposed to just providing and expanding the BL C&C system. To their credit, they have continued putting out expansions for the C&C BL, but the base game appears to be on indefinite hold due to the pricing issue. Apparently, if FFG continued producing the base BL as it was, they claimed it would have to cost well over $100 ($150, if memory serves). FFG has to figure out a way to put a redesigned base game on the market that at least has a similar price point to the DoW version, but doesn't alienate customers who know what was included in the DoW version, since obviously not as much stuff (or, perhaps, dissimilar stuff) will be in the new base box. I imagine word of mouth in the gaming community would hurt them, if the redesign doesn't measure up, so it's a difficult proposition at best.
I suppose this discussion may be a bit taboo for this site, since DoW was directly involved in it before. My apologies, if so. I don't intend this to start a company-bashing thread (I have several FFG games on my shelf, enjoy all of them, and have not had any bad experiences with their products or service folks). Personally, I just find the inner workings of how to run a game company fascinating.
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