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tank commander
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Sun, 28 March 2010 14:57
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In Dunkirk (sceanrio # 35 in the Campaign Book) I read the evacuation rules and had a few questions...
1) When an ordered LC moves next to a Inf on the beach, does the Infantry board the LC (no order needed for the Infantry)?
2) If the answer to # 1 is yes, then I assume both French AND Brits Infantry could board LC on the same turn as if the Infantry are not ordered, then the nationality restriction does not apply here.
3) It states that once a loaded LC is ordered, it can evacuate the infantry and after is has done so, it the LC returns to it's starting position -- here I assume, that would be the exact same hex it started the scenario on.
4) Can an Infantry unit that did not start on the beach and which has been reduced to 1 or 2 figs, move to the beach and also be evacuated?
What do you guys think?
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rasmussen81
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Re:Dunkirk
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Sun, 28 March 2010 16:54
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| tank commander wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 05:57 |
In Dunkirk (sceanrio # 35 in the Campaign Book) I read the evacuation rules and had a few questions...
1) When an ordered LC moves next to a Inf on the beach, does the Infantry board the LC (no order needed for the Infantry)?
2) If the answer to # 1 is yes, then I assume both French AND Brits Infantry could board LC on the same turn as if the Infantry are not ordered, then the nationality restriction does not apply here.
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I assume you think the Infantry unit doesn't have to be ordered because of the line that says, "An Allied unit with 1 or 2 infantry figures can board an adjacent LC that is next to the beach." However, the idea of units teleporting onto the LC without needing to be ordered goes against the norm for Memoir '44. The Infantry units must be ordered to move from the beach to an adjacent LC. Then next turn, the LC can be moved off the board. The reason for this delay is because you can only order one unit in a hex per turn (check FAQ page 24 under Aircraft Carriers).
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3) It states that once a loaded LC is ordered, it can evacuate the infantry and after is has done so, it the LC returns to it's starting position -- here I assume, that would be the exact same hex it started the scenario on.
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4) Can an Infantry unit that did not start on the beach and which has been reduced to 1 or 2 figs, move to the beach and also be evacuated?
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Yes! Once a unit has been reduced down to 1 or 2 figures, it's eligible to be evacuated.
I really enjoy this scenario and I like the challenge of trying to evacuate as many units as I can! It's not easy, though, which makes you realize how hard it would have been when they were trying to do this in real life!
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sam1812
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Re:Dunkirk
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Sun, 28 March 2010 17:50
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Great questions, but rather than us speculating here, why not ask Yangtze directly?
I have an additional question. If you have English units in some LCs and French units in other LCs, you can't evacuate both nationalities on the same turn, since the units retain their nationalities, right?
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rasmussen81
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Re:Dunkirk
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Sun, 28 March 2010 17:58
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| sam1812 wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 08:50 |
Great questions, but rather than us speculating here, why not ask Yangtze directly?
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I don't think that will do much good, since Yangtze didn't write the Fall Gelb campaign...  We could ask Antoine or jdrommel since they created this scenario. 
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I have an additional question. If you have English units in some LCs and French units in other LCs, you can't evacuate both nationalities on the same turn, since the units retain their nationalities, right?
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That's how I've always played it. 
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sam1812
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Sun, 28 March 2010 18:16
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Whoops - I looked just at the page in the book, and saw that it was "Based on an original scenario from Yangtze and Antoine."
By the way, I just took another look at the scenario. Though LCs may ignore 1 flag, if one is in the back row and a plane strafes it, it would be eliminated, right?
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rasmussen81
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Re:Dunkirk
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Sun, 28 March 2010 18:18
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| sam1812 wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 09:16 |
Whoops - I looked just at the page in the book, and saw that it was "Based on an original scenario from Yangtze and Antoine."
By the way, I just took another look at the scenario. Though LCs may ignore 1 flag, if one is in the back row and a plane strafes it, it would be eliminated, right?
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Correct. And you don't get the LC back if it's eliminated so a useful strategy would be for the Axis player to send planes after the LC fleet...much like in history! 
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ad79
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Sun, 28 March 2010 18:34
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| sam1812 wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 18:16 |
Whoops - I looked just at the page in the book, and saw that it was "Based on an original scenario from Yangtze and Antoine."
By the way, I just took another look at the scenario. Though LCs may ignore 1 flag, if one is in the back row and a plane strafes it, it would be eliminated, right?
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Yangtze actually confirmed my questoin on this scenario last summer.
Yangtze confimed as Jesse said, infantry needs to be ordered to board an LC.
I don't know if you can order LC's with British units and LC's with French units on the same turn. Someone mentioned retaining nationality, what nationality is the LC's considered to be before they are boarded? Or can they be ordered together with both French and British units?
Sam, a unit can never retreat of the board on the other players turn. Retreating of the map needs to be ordered. So strafing would elliminate the LC.
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rasmussen81
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Sun, 28 March 2010 18:48
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Looking at the rules for the LC in the FAQ you can see that Landing Craft are ordered like they are their own unit. What I mean, is that you can't order LC with an Infantry Assault card, even if Infantry are in the LC. You can't order LC with the Armor Assault card even if tanks are in the craft. It would stand to reason that once the units are in the LC, their nationalities no longer matter. They are simply infantry being evacuated.
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tank commander
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Re:Dunkirk
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Sun, 28 March 2010 19:53
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Let me see if I have this right:
1st turn - order LC to a hex adjacent to a 1 or 2 fig Inf on the beach.
2nd turn -- order Infantry onto LC
3rd turn -- order LC off board.
I saw in the notes that LCs may be ordered as English or French units.
So if you had two LC in the center and 1 had a French Inf on it and the other had a Brit unit in it, could both LCs be ordered on the same turn?
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rasmussen81
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Sun, 28 March 2010 20:24
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If you wanted to, I believe you could move LC adjacent to the beach and move Infantry into the LC in the same turn (in the FAQ, it would be just like moving an Airplane and an Aircraft Carrier to converge on the same hex). Then the next turn you can move the LC with the infantry toward evacuation and safety!
I could be wrong, but I believe that once the Infantry is in the LC it no longer matters what country the Infantry is from. You could order LC with French Infantry and LC with British Infantry in the same turn.
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tank commander
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Sun, 28 March 2010 22:17
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I am glad I played ths scenario - it is good to get answers to these questions - thank you all for your input.
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