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DesertFox98
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PBEM Mon, 17 May 2010 03:01
I know most of y'all conduct Memoir 44 PBEM with Vassal - unfortunately, I can't do that for the time being, as I currently use a borrowed computer and don't want to download the software on it. Would there be anyone up to playing some matches via email with an 'understood board notation', and on our honor to report card draws and die rolls accurately?

Let me know -- playing solo is getting old... Smile
      
rasmussen81
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Re:PBEM Mon, 17 May 2010 06:35
player625112 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 18:01

I know most of y'all conduct Memoir 44 PBEM with Vassal - unfortunately, I can't do that for the time being, as I currently use a borrowed computer and don't want to download the software on it. Would there be anyone up to playing some matches via email with an 'understood board notation', and on our honor to report card draws and die rolls accurately?

Let me know -- playing solo is getting old... Smile


There are rumors floating around of a computer version of Memoir '44 where you'll be able to play online with people. It looks like there might even be an AI feature so you can play solo without having to play both sides...

By the way, welcome to the forum!! Cool
      
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Re:PBEM Mon, 17 May 2010 20:10
rasmussen81 wrote on Mon, 17 May 2010 06:35

player625112 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 18:01

I know most of y'all conduct Memoir 44 PBEM with Vassal - unfortunately, I can't do that for the time being, as I currently use a borrowed computer and don't want to download the software on it. Would there be anyone up to playing some matches via email with an 'understood board notation', and on our honor to report card draws and die rolls accurately?

Let me know -- playing solo is getting old... Smile


There are rumors floating around of a computer version of Memoir '44 where you'll be able to play online with people. It looks like there might even be an AI feature so you can play solo without having to play both sides...

By the way, welcome to the forum!! Cool



I would LOVE a computer M44! any rumors of when that might be?
this year , next year, 5 years? if it take them too long I can see if I can find some computer freeks and we can do it faster.. we are motivated right? Smile
      
rasmussen81
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Re:PBEM Mon, 17 May 2010 20:45
No time line yet on the release of the computer game of Memoir '44. Personally I would rather have DoW take their time so they make a great product instead of trying to rush it and making a lower quality program. Based on their work with the iPad version of Small World I don't think we have to worry very much.

For people who want to play on the computer right now, there's always Vassal or just e-mail...but I've never tried either of them.
      
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Re:PBEM Mon, 17 May 2010 23:33
not 100% sure what the best notation system would be, but I'd be up for giving it a try, playing by email.

Anyone done this before, got any good systems?

      
DesertFox98
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Re:PBEM Tue, 18 May 2010 05:04
I was thinking for the notation system, with a particular board orientation (say, "as you are looking from the Allies' side of the board), something like this (I can't remember how many rows/columns, there are, but this should give an idea):


AXIS SIDE

H
.
.
.
C
B
A
1 2 3 4 . . . 7 8 9

ALLIED SIDE

Sort of like chessboard notation. This would apply to full hexes only.

So then, the notation would be something like:


A2 - B3 - B4...attacks unit at C5...roll = T I G (F and S would be the other notations for die rolls).

Not great, but best I can come up with at the moment - it would definitely require each person to have an individual board setup. Anybody got anything better for a temporary solution?
      
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Re:PBEM Tue, 18 May 2010 11:56
DesertFox98 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2010 21:01

Would there be anyone up to playing some matches via email with an 'understood board notation', ...


Someone made up a numbering system for the Mem '44 board and I saved it to my user page. You may wish to check it out and see if you may wish to use it.

It can be found here:


http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/mypage/34328/m44/gallery
      
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Re:PBEM Wed, 19 May 2010 04:18
DesertFox, if the computer has a USB port, why not get a thumb drive, and download Vassal to that?

No muss, no fuss, no dice-rolling or card-drawing issues.
      
Mighty Jim 83
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Re:PBEM Wed, 19 May 2010 10:19
Been having a bit more of a think about this, practicalities wise...

Few thoughts:

Each turn could potentially require multiple emails.
Example
Played "Probe Right." Ordered infantry in hex c2 to advance to d3, and infantry in c3 to advance to d4. Infantry in d3 targets your unit in f3 with 2 dice- result 1 hit, 1 flag. - which direction do you want to retreat in (or with sandbags, DO you want to retreat?) - you'd then need to wait for a reply, before the second unit would know who to shoot at.

Card wise, I think both sides would have to use a single full deck, minus the ambush card. Given that it's likely people would be using their meoir set between turns of the email game, you'd then need to refer to previous emails at the start of each turn, and remove the cards already played before starting again. You'd need to make notes elsewhere of your own hand obviously.

Other than that, it seems fairly straightforward.
      
DesertFox98
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Re:PBEM Fri, 21 May 2010 05:04
Sam,

Thanks for the tip - I'll have to try that.

      
marnick
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Re:PBEM Sun, 23 May 2010 15:39
Me and my friend note down all our matches, as we have the habit from chess anyways. It's getting more and more streamlined now.

We make all notes from "perspective" so you have to know whose notes you're reading. This means that flanks, abcd and 1234 are dependent on the viewpoint of the one who note down. So far it works pretty well.

An example:
CF1
t-b2xb3KKFL-TGxaK VP TFH D-AA

These 2 lines have to be interpreted as follows:
The player plays a probe on the center flank.
The tank gets activated, being only 1 tank on the center flank it does not need to be specified.
It moves to b2, b2 is counted from the red dotted line on the left of the center flank. Hexes counting for 2 flanks are considered a. 1 is the homeline for the perspective player.

it attacks a unit on b3, does 2 kills and makes it flee. It flees to the left (if right is obstruced the L does not need to be noted down. Double obstruction is noted as a K instead). The tank takes ground, attacks the unit who fled to a4, kills him. This counts as a victory point, he does not do a second take ground.

Due to the probe he draws 2 cards: TFH and Air assault. He discards the air assault.

Noting down tends to enlenghten our matches a bit, but this is getting quicker. We also play with touche rules that say you have to move a unit you touch, a played card cannot be replaced and a unit dropped cannot be taken back if you made a bad move.
      
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Re:PBEM Sun, 23 May 2010 16:17
Hi, Marnick --

As a fellow chess player, I'm in the habit of writing down my Memoir games, too, though in far less complete detail than you and your friend do. Playing most of my games online, if I might want to keep a complete record of a game, I simply record a logfile.

(I'm surprised that you haven't adopted the convention of naming hexes the same way from both sides of the board, algebraic-style, since that has become so nearly universal in chess.)

A complete notation system like yours is viable in face-to-face games. Congratulations.

Looping back to the question of PBEM, it can't be the sole recording method for that, though, because neither player knows what cards the other player has drawn. (If I draw Ambush, how would you know that it has to be excluded from the deck?) They would have to adapt the rules of the game by drawing from separate decks, or something like that. And, of course, they have to trust each other about die rolls and card draws.
      
marnick
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Re:PBEM Sun, 23 May 2010 18:44
sam1812 wrote on Sun, 23 May 2010 16:17


(I'm surprised that you haven't adopted the convention of naming hexes the same way from both sides of the board, algebraic-style, since that has become so nearly universal in chess.)

A complete notation system like yours is viable in face-to-face games. Congratulations.


The perspective version has evolved mainly due to right flank and left flank cards needing to be targetted. All else more or less followed. We tried to do it the chess-way but it wasn't really practical. You get into your head, and it creates loopholes that makes notation ambiguous to read.

At the moment it's entirely viable for play. After more playtesting some streamlining, and canonizing abbreviations, we might post it Smile
      
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Re:PBEM Mon, 24 May 2010 04:21
i guess Vassal is the best way to simulate PBEM, otherwise we have to wait for the computer version Smile
      
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Re:PBEM Mon, 24 May 2010 08:13
yes wait... there are some people that will NO use Vassal Twisted Evil
      
Emcher
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Re:PBEM Sat, 05 June 2010 15:36
Haven't we been waiting for a computer version for like 3 or 4 years now?
      
    
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