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Oldbuzz
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2 player Overlord? Mon, 30 August 2010 23:09
Hello,
This past weekend I played Overlord for the first time. It is incredible - almost like a different game. The rules say you can play it with just 2 players.
If anyone out there has tried that could you please share your thoughts on it?
Also, if I get one of the battle map series, which one do you suggest?
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 31 August 2010 02:26
Yes, 2-player Overlord is a blast.

You don't need the Battle Maps to play Overlord, since several are included ni expansions or public scenarios online here. I've played some by using the Winter/Desert board for the second side, and using two colors of troops on each side.

If you want to buy a Battlemap for the convenience, which one depends on your taste. SoS is extremely interesting, but more complex to play than the others -- either a good thing or not, depending on what you like. The Tigers in the Snow is probably next most complex (especially Market Garden on the flip side). The new units in the new Dieppe kit give some interesting variety, and that pack has one amphibious scenario and one desert scenario. The simplest of the four would Hedgerow Hell.
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 31 August 2010 03:36
Two-player Overlord is great! A truly epic game experience, lots of fun, and requiring some rethinking of your usual approach. Maybe the only flaw is that it's a pain to set up, which is why the battle maps are great.

And so ...

Oldbuzz wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 17:09


Also, if I get one of the battle map series, which one do you suggest?

My favorite is by far Tigers in the Snow/Operation Market Garden. The draw for many are the new Tiger tank units, which are indeed a nice addition to the game, but the very best reason to have this is Operation Market Garden. It's a brilliant scenario, slightly larger than standard Overlord scenarios, with objectives that actually MATTER and a really cool way to recreate supply line problems using command cards. I loved it.
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 31 August 2010 11:00
Oldbuzz wrote on Mon, 30 August 2010 22:09

Also, if I get one of the battle map series, which one do you suggest?


Hedgerow Hell is out of print, so if you can find a shop that still has it on the shelf, snap it up!
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 31 August 2010 20:20
I have only played overlord Market Garden, but I must admit... it was a blast. Total fun. I've also played the 2 regular scenario's from the tigers in the snow enveloppe and they're very cool too. It's cool to have a "hero" on the board for a change. I hope DoW does that more often.

Tiger tanks are a thing which most guys will like. Bigger and more bad ass tanks.

I would also recommend finding a hedgerow hell map somewhere as they are out of print. You really want to have all the miniatures you can find before they disappear =)
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 31 August 2010 21:18
As there aren't a lot of gamers where I live, I often play two player overlord unless I am at a convention. It is great fun, and yes, I agree that's were the battle maps are great.

      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 31 August 2010 23:24
I have played most of the battlemap scenarios as 2-player and I like how Overlord plays with 2 players. But as always the fun comes through the play the scenario can produce.

My thoughts on the various battlemaps.

Hedgerow Hell battlemap.
Hedgerow Hell scenario is a great puzzle for the Allies.How will you overcome the Germans that starts in far better positions defensively. I really like this scenario as the Allies and think clever use of the Supply Trucks can give the Allies an edge in some situations. A re-supply at the right time can give a weakened unit the crucial extra attack needed to get an edge over the Germans in a section.

Cadets of Saumur scenario is often an easy win for the Germans if they are patient, but this scenario really grew on me when I gave the Germans an extra win condition.(Must hold one of the medal hexes to be able to win). Turned out to be a far better scenario for me.

The Supply trucks miniatures are also used in the Breakthrough Kit in 1 or 2 scenarios, and I guess they can be implemented in future Campaign books(Hopefully). An interesting unit, that isn't used enough in official scenarios.

Tigers In The Snow battlemap.
A clear winner in the funniest acronym competition.( Laughing )

Tigers In The Snow scenario is fun to play as there is a puzzle element in it for both sides. The tanks face dug-In infantry in deffensive terrain. So players have to think about how to best use their tank units. I like this scenario and it is a blast to play with Tigers. Do you throw them into battle as they are (statiscally) harder to kill than regular tanks, but risk the dreaded 1 shot kill? As the Russians, should you focus your attacks on the Tigers and hope for that lucky 1-shot kill or try to take out figures in regular tank units or infantry units?

Operation Market Garden scenario is a BLAST to play. I have played it as both sides and as the Allies you need to hit the ground running or face the consequences, and as the Axis you need to hold on for dear life untill you get some fire power in the form of cards to play. Objectives in this scenario will likely change hadn a couple of times and the Allied units consist of both British regular troops and American elite troops. The Germans have units all over the extra deep board. (11-hexes as opposed to 9 for normal overlrod) My only dissapointment with this scenario is that the Tiger Tank units starts to far from the Allied troops to play much part in the scenario.

The 2 Regular scenarios in this battlemap highlights the Tiger units and I think they are both fun scenarios that can be played with both new and regular players. One has only Tigers against a ton of Allied troops. This scenario is a bit prone to luck of the dice, but fast and fun to play. The second one really brings out the Allied players desicionmaking in going for the Tigers or the regular units?

The success of this battlemap and why most players list it as their favourite is ( I think) the Tiger miniatures. They are an attacking unit and that makes them more fun to play with than the support unit the Supply truck was.

But no one can deny that Operation Market Garden is one of the best overlrod scenarios for this game. Be that with 2-players or 8-players.

Sword of Stalingrad battlemap
Sword of Stalingrad scenario have seen me battle for supremacy on Mamayev Kurgan for several rounds. Can you as the Russians stop the German onslaught before it is too late. This scenario uses the Russian command rules (which I really like to use) and that gives the Russian a real challenge. You need to anticipate where the germans will strike and hope you can react when they do. There is lots of urban terrain and the Combat Rules add a very cool twist to Memoir. The Combat Deck also adds more card that can interupt your turn, no longer is the Ambush the only card to fear. THere is also Ambuscade, Out of Ammo and a few more that can seriously hamper your well-laid plan. Along with the modifiers certain Combat Deck cards give to units battling in or adjacent to town hexes. A complex sceanrio by memoir's standards. But the fight for Mamayev Kurgan is very cool.

Rats in the Factory scenario is the other Overlord scenario and it has the Germans attacking the factories of Stalingrad. It has lots of railroads and built up hexes making it a struggle to use your tanks in an effective manner. It also has lots of objective hexes in the form of factories and road hexes on the opponents baseline. These form temporary majority medals and the Russians need to defend these to avoid giving the Germans too big a medal lead. Lots of rules here too: Combat rules, Blitz, Russian Command rules, elite units and engineers and lots of terrain.
And this one goes to 19 medals.

The 2 regular scenarios in this battlemap has 1 scenario about Mamayev Kurgan and the fighting there. This one doesn't use the Combat deck, but is a good fight.
The other one is Pavlov: Hero of the Soviet Union, and this one is complex with lots of rules, but it is a very cool scenario. Uses lots of different unit types and terrain. Also uses the Combat deck.

The Combat Deck is in my opinion an excellent addition to the Eastern Front in Memoir. It gives the FG's in Overlord a bit more control over their units in the urban terrain in these overlrod scenarios. Teeh regular scenario that uses the COmbat deck is really good, but I have tinkered with the possibility of adding an extra set of Recon-1's to the deck to get the Combat Deck more into play in regular scenarios.

I am also dreaming of an expansion that focuses on Stalingrad and has both regular, breakthrough and overlord scenarios that uses the combat deck. And it would be grweat to see it in a campaign about Stalingrad too.
The Combat deck is not used enough in Memoir so far, but as it is quite new, I hope we see it used more in the future.

Dissaster at Dieppe battlemap
This one I haven't gotten yet, but it looks promising, with 2 very different overlord sceanrios and units that can be used to attack. (Always likes that) I also like that Days OF Wonder includes regualr sceanrios that highlights the new units. ANd with 4 in this new battlemap things are looking good.

So my conclusion is this:
1. Overlord is a great way to play Memoir'44, not matter the number of players you have.
2. I hole we see the Supply trucks, Tiger tanks, Jeeps, Half-tracks and Combat rules in many more scenarios in the future.
3. Grap the Battle Maps before it is too late.
4. I use way too many words when I talk. Embarassed

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Re:2 player Overlord? Wed, 01 September 2010 15:34
Great post Stig. There are of course elite British in OMG too.

Agree about the Combat Deck. A previous post suggested standard and Breakthrough scenarios where they can be used.

I enjoy playing Overlord solo - you easily get engrossed as you consider the options and play each side agressively to win.
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Wed, 01 September 2010 19:10
Thanks all for the input. I will order what I can. Thanks Stig for the overview. You all were a big help. Smile
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Wed, 01 September 2010 21:05
Only happy to be of help. Thanks for the kind words both of you, the post became longer than I thought it would.

I am currently using the Tiger Tank in the Normandy Campaign, substituting every Elite Armor for a Tiger unit. Not that it is of much help, as they have been shot to pieces almost before they have loaded their guns. Laughing

Stig Morten
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Thu, 02 September 2010 15:25
My 10-year old son and I prefer 2-player Overlord and Break-through scenario's over the "regular" game board scenarios.
We loved Tigers in the Snow and even more so Operation Market Garden.

Cheers,

Bart
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Thu, 02 September 2010 16:12
Hey Bart

Nice to meet you on the forum.

I even played overlord solo.

All kind of scenario's are great but i like the breakthrough the most because of the depth they give in the game.

I even try to put several scenario's together to make a breakthrough overlord, for instant the combination of Omaha, pointe du Hoc and Utah as landing zone and deeper on the board Sainte mère l'église.

Bart if you want, take a look at my personal pages photogallerie.

We really have to meet once so we can play M44 together.
Did you already order Disaster at Dieppe?

I didn't but probably will do because I'm so glad DOW has made new figures.

Private Michel
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Thu, 02 September 2010 17:05
Yep Michel, we do need to play... we'll mail!
Of course, I ordered Dieppe from "Adriaensen gezelschapspellen" but it will only be available in Belgium end September.

Cheers
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Thu, 02 September 2010 17:17
BartRB wrote on Thu, 02 September 2010 09:25

My 10-year old son and I prefer 2-player Overlord and Break-through scenario's over the "regular" game board scenarios.
We loved Tigers in the Snow and even more so Operation Market Garden.

Cheers,

Bart


Yeah, my 9-year old soon prefers the larger game formats also. But I think that's because they take longer. We play in the evening usually, and we end up finishing well after his bed-time when we play overlord or breakthrough. He'll do anything to stay up as late as he can. Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Sat, 04 September 2010 03:16
Smart kid...
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Sat, 04 September 2010 06:18
My personal favorite (so far, because the latest is on its way to my door) is Tigers. I have never won Market Garden as allies, but understand as the allies did not win this one. I play overlord mostly at conventions, I go to three a year, but only two this year. One of the cons was canceled because they didn't have enough money to put it on. Too bad!

      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 07 September 2010 00:38
50th wrote on Sat, 04 September 2010 00:18

My personal favorite (so far, because the latest is on its way to my door) is Tigers. I have never won Market Garden as allies, but understand as the allies did not win this one. I play overlord mostly at conventions, I go to three a year, but only two this year. One of the cons was canceled because they didn't have enough money to put it on. Too bad!





Hi 50th. Which conventions do you attend?
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 07 September 2010 01:27
One of these days I will design an Overlord/Breakthrough hybrid scenario, or some such absurdly large board. I have four BattleLore boards which should suffice for putting a giant scenario together.
      
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Re:2 player Overlord? Tue, 07 September 2010 06:16
I attend Die Con in Collinsville Ill, Command Con in Missouri, and Barracks Battles in Missouri. I sometimes attend Archon in Collinsville. I like to play overlord because you can get up to eight people in one game. This year at Command Con I will have players play a campaign with three games going on at once. Command Con is in St Louis and is put on by the Missouri Historical Gamers Alliance.

      
    
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