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Sheridan
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Overlord Question Mon, 27 September 2010 23:48
Hello

I understand that you can use the overlord expansion or 2 copies of the base game in certain instances. I don't use Overlord at the moment but want to expand the experience of Memoir and was looking for advice.

Is it best to buy Overlord or a second base game? If i don't buy the actual Overlord expansion, will i be missing something if i got another copy of the base game instead - in effect what extras or advantages are there in the Overlord expansion that i wouldn't get in a second base game? Are there new command cards, or any other benefits for having Overlord rather than 2 base games?


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Re:Overlord Question Tue, 28 September 2010 00:09
Better off to buy a second base game. Then you will have all the components you need. If you buy only the OVERLORD expansion, you will still need an extra board to play on (you will still only have 1 board), so bite the bullet and get a second base game.
      
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Re:Overlord Question Tue, 28 September 2010 00:51
If you only buy the Overlord expansion you will need to by the battlemaps to play. Course once you try Overlord, you will want all the anyway. Cool The Overlord expansion is always something to keep in mind, makes play easier.
      
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Re:Overlord Question Tue, 28 September 2010 04:09
You do get a very handy deck of cards that are designed for Overlord play when you buy the Operation Overlord expansion. However, like the other guys have said...you would also have to buy some of the Battle Map expansions if you get Operation Overlord because it doesn't come with a second board or the terrain tiles you would need to set things up.

You might find it helpful to check out a document that 50th (another player of this great game) just created. It outlines each expansion and explains what is new. Here is a link to it:

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/mypage/272628/m44/story#_inde x_19

Scroll down to the very last project that's called "Memoir '44 Expansions" and download the document. Good luck! Smile
      
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Re:Overlord Question Tue, 28 September 2010 06:13
Sheridan, you might want to download that expansions list again! I just changed it by adding the expansions needed to play the breakthrough scenarios, and corrected a spelling error. Somebody on BGG pointed out the error and another pointed out that the addition of what expansions are needed to play the BT scenarios would be great. I agreed, so I've made the necessary changes.

      
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Re:Overlord Question Tue, 28 September 2010 10:53
Personally Sheridan, I went out and got hold of both! An extra base set AND the Overlord expansion. Having 2 base sets gives you lots more options, whilst having the Overlord expansion gives you an 'overlord' friendly deck of cards as well as spare troop chits which come in handy when travelling ... if you can get hold of both then I'd say go for it ! ... Christmas is nearly here Wink


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Re:Overlord Question Tue, 28 September 2010 19:48
2 base games and one of everything else.... thats what you need.

Sell plasma, your old records, rent out your children, have your wife bake cookies... the cost of going to the movies is the cost of an expansion... skip the movie, it will be out on dvd in 4 months... BUT YOU MUST HAVE EVERYTHING!!!!!!

ok maybe not rent out the kids... don't know what kind of neighborhood your in.

But beware... the more you have the more you want.
      
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Re:Overlord Question Tue, 28 September 2010 20:11
Sheridan you have fallen in with the addicts. I myself have 4 base games and everything else. So don't expect a totally "reasoned" answer from this nut house. Most of us need to go to Memoir '44 Anonymous.

[Updated on: Tue, 28 September 2010 20:12]

      
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Re:Overlord Question Tue, 28 September 2010 23:03
Just get another base game and then add the Overlord expansion to get the cards tailored for overlord if you like. I bought the 2nd base game first and then mixed two regular decks together and tried to play overlord that way. It can be done, but is sooo much easier to have the cards specifically designed for overlord.

The little cardboard chits remain largely unused by me, but I do use them to mark ordered units in my games. I also use them to mark units that I borrowed from other game setups. (I sometimes have 2 or 3 games set up at the same time and run out of German units even with 2 base games). That's how addictive the game is. Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Overlord Question Wed, 29 September 2010 14:14
I did it the other way round.

Terrain Pack first;
then the Mediterranean Expansion because I am British;
which meant I really needed a Winter/Desert Board;
which meant I had to get the Eastern Front Expansion;
now having a second board meant I needed the Overlord Expansion;
which then allowed me to scoure eBay until I managed to pick up a second hand 2nd base game;

but to complete my armies I had to get the Pacific Theatre;
and as I like warplanes I needed the Air Pack;
which left me with a storage problem, so I got the Campaign Bag;
and if you have a Campaign Bag, you have to have the Campaign Book;
which only left two battle maps to get, Hedgerow Hell and Tigers in the Snow;
then they brought out another battle map, Sword of Stalingrad, which was all I needed to complete the set;
then the Breakthrough Boards came out, oh well just one more thing I thought;
..........then Disaster in Dieppe came out, so of course I had to get it;
I now have so much 44 stuff that whatever else comes out, I am more or less compelled to get it.

It's like a never ending story Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Wed, 29 September 2010 14:15]

      
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Re:Overlord Question Wed, 29 September 2010 14:22
Vulch wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 14:14

I did it the other way round.

Terrain Pack first;
then the Mediterranean Expansion because I am British;
which meant I really needed a Winter/Desert Board;
which meant I had to get the Eastern Front Expansion;
now having a second board meant I needed the Overlord Expansion;
which then allowed me to scoure eBay until I managed to pick up a second hand 2nd base game;

but to complete my armies I had to get the Pacific Theatre;
and as I like warplanes I needed the Air Pack;
which left me with a storage problem, so I got the Campaign Bag;
and if you have a Campaign Bag, you have to have the Campaign Book;
which only left two battle maps to get, Hedgerow Hell and Tigers in the Snow;
then they brought out another battle map, Sword of Stalingrad, which was all I needed to complete the set;
then the Breakthrough Boards came out, oh well just one more thing I thought;
..........then Disaster in Dieppe came out, so of course I had to get it;
I now have so much 44 stuff that whatever else comes out, I am more or less compelled to get it.

It's like a never ending story Rolling Eyes



Looking at your list, you still need to buy the first basegame. Laughing

How are you handling the British forces in the new Dieppe map? You don't have enough figures and you have no British chit units in Operation Overlord.

Stig Morten
      
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Re:Overlord Question Wed, 29 September 2010 17:06
Vulch wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 14:14

It's like a never ending story Rolling Eyes



See what I mean. No sooner had I completed typing this list, when a new expansion came out Shocked http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/content/winter-wars

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Looking at your list, you still need to buy the first basegame. Laughing


Ha, good spot. It's the first base game (which I bought for my son, then kept myself) that started it all off.

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How are you handling the British forces in the new Dieppe map? You don't have enough figures and you have no British chit units in Operation Overlord.
Stig Morten


Due to shortages of kit in the UK, I have issued the British Army with American style helmets and fatigues on lend lease. We did consider bringing the Desert Rats home to take part in this mission, but their little knees would have got cold in the English Channel.

[Updated on: Wed, 29 September 2010 17:07]

      
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Re:Overlord Question Wed, 29 September 2010 19:04
All

That's why i love this site so much. The responses are so good!! I have checked all the links you guys have given me - thanks for those.

Looking at all the comments, i am going for a second base game and the overlord expansion. Now i will be getting Overlord, i am going to get second expansions for most of the other sets (can't be doing with using cardboard discs, i need the feel of a 3d unit).

As the air pack is out of print, i am going to order one from the States. Probably a really thicky question, but i assume that the air packs are exactly the same as the ones over here - there's no difference between them, even the rules booklet is the same?

Also, i have to say that i got the breakthrough kit last week. That's it. I am addicted to that one now. I just wanted to say what a great game. In fact i have booked this Friday off for an all day session with it - that reminds me i'll have to let the wife know. Smile
      
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Re:Overlord Question Wed, 29 September 2010 20:47
I'd been picking up the Overlord Battle Maps and had the Overlord Kit, and was happily using the chits to flesh out the armies. Then one day my wife asked me why I had a mix of figures and chits in each hex and I explained that to fill every hex with figures, I needed to pick up a second game and second copy of the army packs. She asked how much it would be. I told her and she said, "Why don't you do it, then?"

That more than made up for the fact that she doesn't get - let alone play - my silly wargames. And I think she figures it's a good investment since I'm not spending the same money on booze, drugs, and hookers.

Anyway, the OL maps do look much cooler filled up with figures. And now I have two sets of boards to play the book scenarios on. Plus I'm thinking now about using those OL chits to mark casualties on the map for those post-game debriefings.

Upshot: You'll find a way to use whatever you get.

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Re:Overlord Question Thu, 30 September 2010 04:39
Boddekker wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 14:47

I'd been picking up the Overlord Battle Maps and had the Overlord Kit, and was happily using the chits to flesh out the armies. Then one day my wife asked me why I had a mix of figures and chits in each hex and I explained that to fill every hex with figures, I needed to pick up a second game and second copy of the army packs. She asked how much it would be. I told her and she said, "Why don't you do it, then?"


Wow, you lucky ...! Now that's a good woman!
      
    
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