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nemesszili
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Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 15:42
So what's your opinion about the new expansion? Very Happy

Also, are the new cards compatible with the already published Bulge scenarios?

[Updated on: Wed, 29 September 2010 16:07]

      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 16:10
Looks Nice: an expansion that fills in some holes: winter hills, special breaktrough cards,... Looking forward to it. Best of all: more battles in Belgium!
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 16:24
and just in time for the snow!!!! now will I just need to find a French player to trade cards with???? still have a French deck of city combat cards to trade.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 16:47
No the French and English versions are completely separate because there are way too many cards in this expansion, ie 20 Winter Combat + 80 BREAKTHROUGH Command cards + Summary cards...

So you will either get French OR English depending on which version you purchase. Very Happy
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 16:54
You'd be better off with 2 English versions! Razz
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 17:29
I can't wait!!! This looks like so much fun and adds even more to the Memoir '44 system. Very Happy
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 18:40
This looks really good, and have you thought about the possibilities for future expansions this creates.

So many famous battles or operations. Stalingrad, Ivo Jima, Guadalcanal etc.

I guess this is what Richard meant when he said we would get rules covering the old Bulge scenarios and the discussion about Artillery/Air Power card.

Excited to get the Breakthrough deck, even if I have 2 decks dedicated for Breakthrough.

Stig Morten
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 22:37
is there a change that we can use the same rules on the east Front?

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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 22:39
I assume you meant "is there a chance"? The answer is yes.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 22:59
ad79 wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 17:40

Excited to get the Breakthrough deck, even if I have 2 decks dedicated for Breakthrough.

Stig Morten


Me too. The double deck brought an extra dimension to Breakthrough and I don't regret buying them.

Just the dice to upgrade and we're there! Wink
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 23:01
eric wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 21:39

I assume you meant "is there a chance"? The answer is yes.


This is fantastic news. The Ardennes offensive and Winter battles (Winter War 1939/40 as well as the Russian Front) are my favourite WW2 periods.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 23:22
This looks like it will add alot of new good stuff to the game.

In the description it states: New Troops, including the all new Tank Destroyer and Heavy Anti-Tank Gun units and Late War model versions of an Anti-Tank Gun, Mortar and Machine Gun

Are these troops represented by plastic units or by badges?
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 29 September 2010 23:40
badges.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 30 September 2010 00:47
But that does not mean you can't get and use your own minis???

I have horses for my Cav units, and French figs for my frog units.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 30 September 2010 01:45
I am most excited for the breakthrough deck of cards. From the one card I can see it looks like it lets you order 2 units on the left flank then lets you just move (but not battle) with 2 other units.
I like this idea. It lets your forces be more mobile and get more things done but it won't let you get medals that much faster.
More movement and fun while still keeping the length and epicness of breakthrough how fun.

I could be totaly wrong on this though. This is just the impression that I get from the one card I can see. I'm sure whatever DoW has done will be incredible though.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 30 September 2010 04:05
Nice direction for this expansion...

When will we see an update of the tiles for the scenario editor?
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 30 September 2010 04:12
CarriCommander wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 16:45

I am most excited for the breakthrough deck of cards. From the one card I can see it looks like it lets you order 2 units on the left flank then lets you just move (but not battle) with 2 other units.
I like this idea. It lets your forces be more mobile and get more things done but it won't let you get medals that much faster.
More movement and fun while still keeping the length and epicness of breakthrough how fun.

I could be totaly wrong on this though. This is just the impression that I get from the one card I can see. I'm sure whatever DoW has done will be incredible though.


I think you could be totally right on this. Very Happy
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 30 September 2010 04:13
PanzerRunes wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 19:05

Nice direction for this expansion...

When will we see an update of the tiles for the scenario editor?


Probably around the time Winter Wars start shipping. We've been tweaking a number of things in the Scenario Editor, because of our own internal needs for M44 Online, so there hasn't been an update in a while, but all the new terrain, badges, etc.. should show up around then, if all goes according to plan. Razz
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 30 September 2010 05:01
This expansion sounds great. I'm very happy to hear there is continuing support for the breakthrough format. I think that format takes this game to a new level.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 30 September 2010 05:48
eric wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 22:12

CarriCommander wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 16:45

I am most excited for the breakthrough deck of cards. From the one card I can see it looks like it lets you order 2 units on the left flank then lets you just move (but not battle) with 2 other units.
I like this idea. It lets your forces be more mobile and get more things done but it won't let you get medals that much faster.
More movement and fun while still keeping the length and epicness of breakthrough how fun.

I could be totaly wrong on this though. This is just the impression that I get from the one card I can see. I'm sure whatever DoW has done will be incredible though.


I think you could be totally right on this. Very Happy


Haha I got it right, awesome.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Mon, 04 October 2010 21:00
I'd say this isn't what I was expecting, but it sort of is. Aside from the "equipment" expansion discussed every now and then, one direction I expected to see from the game has been expansions focused on specific types of combat. I always thought urban combat was an obvious one, but this falls in line with that.

And I like what I see. This looks like a good way to build specialized combat into the game without burdening the whole thing down with rules.

REALLY like the idea of a small winter combat deck, as I greatly enjoyed the urban combat deck.

I'm a sucker for minis, so yeah, I lament that there are none ... but that is not a complaint. I'm sure they'll come in a broader pack later.

Count me in on this one. I've only skipped two M44 products so far (campaign bag and overlord pack). I won't be skipping this one. Looks like a strong expansion that HOORAY gives me a good reason to use my Breakthrough boards.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Mon, 04 October 2010 22:39
Shoegaze99 wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 21:00

Looks like a strong expansion that HOORAY gives me a good reason to use my Breakthrough boards.


Ehh, and those 15 scenarios in the Breakthrough Kit didn't? Very Happy

Stig Morten
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 07 October 2010 17:54
There are some more pics at:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/images/boardgameexpansion/84406 /memoir-44-winter-wars

Enjoy! Smile
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 07 October 2010 20:11
Oh yeah, I like the improved Mortar units. I was getting annoyed with the standard mortar rules (since I usually find, in existing scenarios, it is hardly worth activating such a unit if it can't fire after moving).

It strikes me the Winter Forest card could be more generally applied to all forests, but I guess this is a winter expansion. Consider this a suggestion for a card or deck for standard (non-winter) country side scenarios. I guess the possibilities are endless (desert combat deck, jungle, etc.)

Out of Fuel is a good idea also!
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Thu, 07 October 2010 22:51
Sgt Storm wrote on Thu, 07 October 2010 14:11

Oh yeah, I like the improved Mortar units. I was getting annoyed with the standard mortar rules (since I usually find, in existing scenarios, it is hardly worth activating such a unit if it can't fire after moving).


Note that the new Mortar SWA card is #6 "Late War 1942 -- not a replacement for the SWA card #3 Mortar

http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic819479_md.jpg

http://static.memoir44.com/lang/english/images/mm_compendium_swa_3.jpg

Looking at the rules, SWA cards 4 & 5 must be Late War 1942 ATG and MG
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Fri, 08 October 2010 00:20
CptJack wrote on Thu, 07 October 2010 16:51


Note that the new Mortar SWA card is #6 "Late War 1942 -- not a replacement for the SWA card #3 Mortar



I realize it's not a replacement, but for me it will be. When designing scenarios (if I ever get back to it) I have something official to fall back on that is at least reasonable. Also, its just a relief knowing that future scenarios (1942 onwards) will have this implementation.

Also a relief to know that future official scenarios dated 1942 and onwards may use these rules. There are existing official scenarios dated 1942 onwards that use the original mortar rules (e.g., Vercors campaign)

[Updated on: Fri, 08 October 2010 00:26]

      
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Re:Winter Wars! Fri, 08 October 2010 01:23
Sgt Storm wrote on Thu, 07 October 2010 18:20

Also a relief to know that future official scenarios dated 1942 and onwards may use these rules. There are existing official scenarios dated 1942 onwards that use the original mortar rules (e.g., Vercors campaign)


Good point!
      
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Mortar cards: Fri, 08 October 2010 01:35
I noticed on card #3 it says "may move only or battle". Will this also go for card #6?
      
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Re:Mortar cards: Fri, 08 October 2010 01:48
5 star general wrote on Thu, 07 October 2010 19:35

I noticed on card #3 it says "may move only or battle". Will this also go for card #6?


The Winter Wars rules state:

"Movement: An ordered Infantry unit with a Mortar
may move 1 hex and battle or move 2 hexes and not
battle."

If you didn't know, the rules for WW are available to download.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Fri, 08 October 2010 05:20
CptJack wrote on Thu, 07 October 2010 16:23

Sgt Storm wrote on Thu, 07 October 2010 18:20

Also a relief to know that future official scenarios dated 1942 and onwards may use these rules. There are existing official scenarios dated 1942 onwards that use the original mortar rules (e.g., Vercors campaign)


Good point!


Look at page 9 of the new rule book for Winter Wars - The Ardennes Offensive. You'll see that it says these new SWA rules should be used for 1942 battles and onwards. So it's official that they would be used in the Vercors Campaign and not just your good idea! Very Happy

It's nice when something is officially retroactive in its application to the game. Smile
      
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Re:Mortar cards: Mon, 11 October 2010 11:35
5 star general wrote on Thu, 07 October 2010 19:35

I noticed on card #3 it says "may move only or battle". Will this also go for card #6?



It looks like the SWAs # 6 Summary Card states that the unit may move and battle (like infantry) but it only attacks like a Mortar unit (It can fire up to 4 hexes, does not need to have an LOS to fire on an enemy unit and ignores terrain battle protection when donig so) when it does not move.

So you have a choice to move it and use it like infantry or stay in place and use the mortars.

[Updated on: Mon, 11 October 2010 11:38]

      
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Re:Winter Wars! Mon, 11 October 2010 15:46
for card #6, it also says at the bottom there, ignores line of sight, thats just for when it fires like a mortar though because of what it says about moving and battline like infantry.
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 08 December 2010 06:14
eric wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 19:13

PanzerRunes wrote on Wed, 29 September 2010 19:05

Nice direction for this expansion...

When will we see an update of the tiles for the scenario editor?


Probably around the time Winter Wars start shipping. We've been tweaking a number of things in the Scenario Editor, because of our own internal needs for M44 Online, so there hasn't been an update in a while, but all the new terrain, badges, etc.. should show up around then, if all goes according to plan. Razz



I hate to add something to the plate... but now that you have M'44 Online Beta going and Winter Wars is shipping... Are the plans still going well enough to release the updated scenario editor?
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Wed, 08 December 2010 06:50
Got my three copies yesterday and I gotta say its some seriously good stuff to add to everything else in the series. With each expansion/supplement this game gets more detailed. My wife is playing this one with me almost every night now and she loves it too... which is a FIRST for this type of game.

Perhaps one day I'll get her to learn Squad Leader Smile

Jed
      
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Re:Winter Wars! Sun, 12 December 2010 21:22
This along with the Breakthrough maps are on my X-mas wish list.
      
    
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