Five Tribes Five Tribes

Forums

Search
Forums » Memoir '44 Online - English » Scenario cost analysis
Show: Today's Posts 
  
AuthorTopic
Randwulf
DoW Content Provider
Major

User Pages
Posts: 1363
Registered:
March 2005
Scenario cost analysis Sun, 28 November 2010 22:28
To play a side this is what it costs....with all special units used

Scenario............side cost....Axis......Allies

Pegasus Bridge.....................1...........1
Sainte-mere-Eglise...............1...........3
Sword Beach..........................1...........3
Pointe-du-Hoc........................1...........4
First Assault Wave.................1...........2
Mont Mochet...........................4...........3
Vassieux.................................1...........3
Operation Cobra...................3............1
Liberation of Paris................1...........2
Montelimar.............................3...........1
Arnhem Bridge......................3...........4
Arracourt.................................1...........1
St Vith......................................5...........1
Saverne Gap..........................1...........3
Toulon.....................................1..........3
Counter-Attack on Mortain...5...........3

[Updated on: Mon, 29 November 2010 01:02]

      
sam1812
Senior Member
Brigadier General

User Pages
Posts: 2270
Registered:
August 2006
Re:Scenario cost analysis Mon, 29 November 2010 00:11
Knowledge certainly is power. Particularly ironic that the heavily disadvantaged side has to pay extra at First Assault Wave and Arnhem.

By the way, this list is missing Counter-Attack on Mortain and Toulon. (I don't have time at the moment to go in and check their piont values.)

Thank you for this analysis.
      
Randwulf
DoW Content Provider
Major

User Pages
Posts: 1363
Registered:
March 2005
Re:Scenario cost analysis Mon, 29 November 2010 01:02
give me time.... LOL
      
Randwulf
DoW Content Provider
Major

User Pages
Posts: 1363
Registered:
March 2005
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sat, 04 December 2010 04:59
Okay....

I have played 101 games. With only a few against Johnny.

I bought a Sgt pack of 200 GI credits.

I have 101 GI credits left.

So my rough average is 2 GI credits per game.

But I have played a lot of Pegasus Bridge and Arracourt...

And I have been playing a lot this last two weeks...

If I keep it up at this rate a Major pack of 2400 GI credits will last me 24 weeks... or about 6 Months.

That come out to 10 bucks a month for the first 6 months, But if I use the 30 dollar coupon on another Major pack, then that is only 5 dollars a month...

I am pretty sure the numbers will skew playing more of the higher cost scenarios...

But still seems well worth it to me.



      
Erik Uitdebroeck
Senior Member
Lieutenant Colonel

User Pages
Posts: 999
Registered:
December 2006
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sat, 04 December 2010 09:37
Going to the pub all night is far, far more expensive ... Laughing Laughing
      
rasmussen81
DoW Content Provider
Designer's Oath

User Pages
Posts: 7127
Registered:
July 2007
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sat, 04 December 2010 13:50
Erik Uitdebroeck wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 12:37

Going to the pub all night is far, far more expensive ... Laughing Laughing


Even going to the pub a few different nights in that 6-month period for a few hours will be more expensive! Smile And you won't have the hangover the next morning... Razz
      
Randwulf
DoW Content Provider
Major

User Pages
Posts: 1363
Registered:
March 2005
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sat, 04 December 2010 19:10
After playing with a friend till 2 am, It felt like a hangover at 6am to go to work.
      
rasmussen81
DoW Content Provider
Designer's Oath

User Pages
Posts: 7127
Registered:
July 2007
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 01:07
Randwulf wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 22:10

After playing with a friend till 2 am, It felt like a hangover at 6am to go to work.


Yes, that would feel like a hangover! Laughing But could you remember everything that happened the night before?! Rolling Eyes Smile
      
Nightrain
Senior Member
Oberstleutnant

User Pages
Posts: 424
Registered:
October 2008
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 01:31
rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 05 December 2010 07:07

Randwulf wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 22:10

After playing with a friend till 2 am, It felt like a hangover at 6am to go to work.


Yes, that would feel like a hangover! Laughing But could you remember everything that happened the night before?! Rolling Eyes Smile


Remember the excitement but forgot "her" name Very Happy
      
AJBQC
Member
Lieutenant Colonel

User Pages
Posts: 69
Registered:
April 2009
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 02:40
I wonder if the cost will keep people away from playing.
      
rasmussen81
DoW Content Provider
Designer's Oath

User Pages
Posts: 7127
Registered:
July 2007
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 05:28
AJBQC wrote on Sun, 05 December 2010 05:40

I wonder if the cost will keep people away from playing.


There are some people who seem to think something like this should be free (not sure how they justify that) and other people who dislike the idea of 'pay-to-play' on principle (maybe they had a bad experience with it before), but a lot of people see how much they'll be able to play for the money they spend and recognize that it's well worth the money!

So far I haven't had any shortage of opponents no matter what time of day I want to jump online to battle! It's been wonderful. Very Happy
      
ad79
Senior Member
Major Howard

User Pages
Posts: 786
Registered:
September 2007
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 17:14
rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 05 December 2010 05:28

but a lot of people see how much they'll be able to play for the money they spend and recognize that it's well worth the money!


For me M'44 Online will have a far lower price per play than some of the other games I have, both boardgames and PS3 games.

I bought the Major pack and used the coupon for my second Med. Theater armypack to have figures of the correct colour in Disaster at Dieppe and so far I have used the figures from that 2(!) times and haven't even broken the shrink on the tiles.

I don't mind the pay as you play pricing.

I try to ask opponents what side they prefer, if they like to save ingots by playing the side that is cheapest, that is fine by me.

[Updated on: Sun, 05 December 2010 18:25]

      
AJBQC
Member
Lieutenant Colonel

User Pages
Posts: 69
Registered:
April 2009
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 17:23
I hear what you are saying. But I still think they won't have as many customers as they have on TTR for example. On the other hand, I don't know if they make much money on TTR.
      
ad79
Senior Member
Major Howard

User Pages
Posts: 786
Registered:
September 2007
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 18:28
AJBQC wrote on Sun, 05 December 2010 17:23

I hear what you are saying. But I still think they won't have as many customers as they have on TTR for example. On the other hand, I don't know if they make much money on TTR.


I also think the TTR game have sold better in the boardgame form than Memoir, so alot more people know about that game.

I have no idea how much money DOW has made on TTR Online, but I hope they make enough money on M'44 Online to give us more scenarios and also Overlord with 8 players in the future.

      
Sbrooks
Junior Member
Cadet

User Pages
Posts: 20
Registered:
August 2003
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 19:32
I hope they include (as an option) a one-time CD purchase. I much prefer this to a pay-to-play mode.
      
AJBQC
Member
Lieutenant Colonel

User Pages
Posts: 69
Registered:
April 2009
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 20:35
I agree with both of you.
      
Erik Uitdebroeck
Senior Member
Lieutenant Colonel

User Pages
Posts: 999
Registered:
December 2006
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 21:03
Sbrooks wrote on Sun, 05 December 2010 19:32

I hope they include (as an option) a one-time CD purchase. I much prefer this to a pay-to-play mode.

And the possibility to play against AI but not online. Then I could take the game with me on holiday. Cool

[Updated on: Sun, 05 December 2010 21:05]

      
caroper
Senior Member

Posts: 166
Registered:
April 2004
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 21:53
As I pointed out else where, I don't think it is the Pay per Play or even the cost to play that is turning people off, but rather the variable Cost per Play. Rather charge 5GI per game, whether you play a human or the AI, include all the Special forces and allow a free replay, reversing sides, if taken immediately.
      
AJBQC
Member
Lieutenant Colonel

User Pages
Posts: 69
Registered:
April 2009
Re:Scenario cost analysis Sun, 05 December 2010 23:40
I think it is absolutely essential to include playing both sides. I also agree that the extra forces should be included in the price.
      
Randwulf
DoW Content Provider
Major

User Pages
Posts: 1363
Registered:
March 2005
Re:Scenario cost analysis Mon, 06 December 2010 01:33
I don't think anyone likes the extra costs to play a scenario...

But when you have plenty of GI credits, it's does not factor much, when you have few, it factors in a lot.

A game costs 1 credit per person or 2 vs the AI

What really gets me is the extras and the AI!!!

Why would I want to play the Axis vs the AI in St Vith or Mortain?

Much less play Mont Mochet on ether side vs the AI?





      
Alysa
Junior Member
Cadet

Posts: 1
Registered:
December 2010
Re:Scenario cost analysis Tue, 07 December 2010 16:30
Not really liking the variable costs either.

Plus I don't really like to pay while the program is still in beta.

And to top it off I'm not yet sure if I'm going to pay much when it's out of beta. A one time fee, even for the AI, extra scenarios, expansions, etc. I get, but even then I'm not so sure it's worth it to me. Especially considering the fact that I paid a fortune for the game and all of the expansions!

I do get developing software costs money and that they want to see a return on that investment but am not so sure this is the best way to do that...
      
Randwulf
DoW Content Provider
Major

User Pages
Posts: 1363
Registered:
March 2005
Re:Scenario cost analysis Mon, 13 December 2010 22:47
Well....

after 300 credits, and a gimme of 20 credits I have played 169 games for an average of 1.89349 blaaa blaa bla per game.

but with the new pricing, the average should of course be around 2.5

new cost

Pegasus Bridge 2
Sainte-mere-Eglise 3
Sword Beach 3
Pointe-du-Hoc 2
First Assault Wave 2
Mont Mochet 3
Vassieux 2
Operation Cobra 3
Liberation of Paris 3
Montelimar 3
Arnhem Bridge 2
Arracourt 2
St Vith 2
Saverne Gap 3
Toulon 2
Counter-Attack on Mortain 3

I like it...

lets just hope some new ones are not back up in the 5 range!!!

I know it has been said many time before, but thank You DOW and staff for listening to us gripe.

You guys are awesome.
      
AJBQC
Member
Lieutenant Colonel

User Pages
Posts: 69
Registered:
April 2009
Re:Scenario cost analysis Tue, 14 December 2010 02:14
Alysa,

I agree with you. Although if you buy the most expensive package, I figure you are good for a year. The $30 that you get back on Memoir 44 is also pretty decent. If you bought the board game it would probably wear out from that many games. The question is what can people afford and how many people would be willing to pay it. There is also something nice about not having to spend 5 minutes setting up and not having to put everything away when you are finished.

We'll see,

Alan
      
AJBQC
Member
Lieutenant Colonel

User Pages
Posts: 69
Registered:
April 2009
Re:Scenario cost analysis Tue, 14 December 2010 02:28
And one more thing that I think makes the cost worth it. There is a more committed serious player that you are partnered with.
      
Randwulf
DoW Content Provider
Major

User Pages
Posts: 1363
Registered:
March 2005
Re:Scenario cost analysis Tue, 14 December 2010 02:38
Your right there.... anytime I want to play, someone, somewhere in the world is on wanting to play also. If not, give it a few minutes....

Find that at your local hobby shop.
      
Nightrain
Senior Member
Oberstleutnant

User Pages
Posts: 424
Registered:
October 2008
Re:Scenario cost analysis Tue, 14 December 2010 04:08
i'm thinking since the additional western front maps doesn't really require any additional programming (except for solo play maybe), i guess it must be thrilling if they can release a set of official maps before christmas to play such as Bastogne west/east, attack on hill 192, relief of peiper, twin village, mostly are far more balanced than the current pegasus, paris, arnhem, etc Smile
      
    
Previous Topic:Skillscore loss in underdog battles
Goto Forum: