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DesertFox98
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Suggestion for new expansion Thu, 06 January 2011 17:56
So I realize this may not be the direction the folks at DOW are wanting to head with M44, but I was thinking the other day that it might be interesting if they could put together an expansion pack and board geared exclusively to naval units...where the ships were more than just cardboard tokens, and the planes were scaled down to the size of the ships (and you had enough for a whole fleet) -- think similar to Axis & Allies for that... The board might have to be a little larger (depending on what rules for movement and firepower were developed), but one side of the board could be open ocean, the other could be a harbor setting (or coastal with more ocean room than the current 'coastal' board, and then various pieces to 'construct' a harbor).

Anyone else have a thought on this? Maybe there just aren't enough authentic major naval actions from WWII to put something like this in, but it would certainly make it interesting for anyone who wanted to design fictitious "what if" scenarios...for example, a "what if there had been an actual naval battle in Tokyo harbor between the US and Japan in preparation for an invasion", "what if the German navy and Luftwaffe had converged on one of the British harbors", "what if the Russian navy had attacked a harbor in the Baltic Sea", etc.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Thu, 06 January 2011 20:09
I think there was a post on this very topic a few months back, and the consensus seemed to be that introducing naval units and combat would be better geared towards a whole new system than integration with existing M44 rules.

I'd love to see a "Naval Memoir" or "Memoir at Sea" some day, but I'm just not sure the scale needed would work with M44.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 07 January 2011 00:12
Yeah, we have discussed this in previous posts. There are some fans of this game, me included, that would like to see an expansion geared towards naval raids (e.g., various coast line tiles, assault craft, docks, u-boat pens etc.) and not so much ship-to-ship combat.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 07 January 2011 06:30
Oh well, worth a shot. I'd never seen the topic a few months ago - course, I don't get on the forum much. It might be a bit too difficult to integrate into existing M44 rules...at the very least, it'd probably need a new set of dice.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 07 January 2011 10:11
What I personnally would like the best as expansion, are some new combat decks : jungle combat deck, desert combat deck, ...
I find the urban and winter combat deck just awsome !
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 07 January 2011 11:30
As far as figures we have, to date:

U.S & Germans - both covered in the base game

Russians, Japanese & Brits -- all covered in expansions.

So that gives us:

All three Allied and both Axis major powers of WW II.

What I would like to see is either an Italian Army Exp (we already have Italian Army Rules) -- that would even up the Axis and Allied armies up to three each or a French Army exp.

Either one would be a fine addition to the Mem '44 family of expansions.

More figures -- that would be a good thing Very Happy


      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 07 January 2011 12:07
Sgt Storm wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 23:12

There are some fans of this game, me included, that would like to see an expansion geared towards naval raids (e.g., various coast line tiles, assault craft, docks, u-boat pens etc.) and not so much ship-to-ship combat.


I would love to see a commando raid expansion. Think St Nazaire type of thing?

Commando figures and a docks map.

Very Happy Very Happy
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 07 January 2011 12:11
Having just watched The Pacific on Blu-Ray, I would like a Pacific Campaign book.
i wouldn't mind if they included jungle Combat cards in it either.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 07 January 2011 15:32
What's missing is pre 44 Western Front/Poland, either Scenarios or figures, with a few exceptions.

The scenarios are obvious, plus I'd like rules that encourages flanking units (to simulate Blitzkreig) and figures for the tanks.

I'd also like some proper British men,with appropriate helmets and long trousers. A number of countries wore this uniform (Brits, Canada, Aus, India + rest of the empire) as well a number of the free forces post 44, including the French and Dutch I think.

Thats what I'd like. Happy to see whatever they come up with
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 07 January 2011 22:46
If they do a battle map series two it would seem like a natural addition to have a pacific map with jungle combat cards. I hope they do indeed accomplish this sometime.

Also need to see an Italian Army pack!

[Updated on: Sat, 08 January 2011 04:55]

      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Sat, 08 January 2011 01:19
Sgt Storm wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 18:12

Yeah, we have discussed this in previous posts. There are some fans of this game, me included, that would like to see an expansion geared towards naval raids (e.g., various coast line tiles, assault craft, docks, u-boat pens etc.) and not so much ship-to-ship combat.


How about PT Boats, E Boats, and MTBs? There were lots of these small unit actions in the European, Mediterrainean, and Pacific theaters.

As for a regular expansion, I would like to see a game pack with Italian pieces.

Here is another idea. How about an expansion pack that has scenarios and heroes/leaders with their back story in play for every theater? Rommel vs Patton...Monty vs Rommel...etc. There were real men leading on both sides and an expansion like that, with the actual leaders incorporated into the scenarios (with maybe special cards or abilities) would be educational and fun.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Sat, 08 January 2011 10:39
Sorry in advance if i upset someone.
I live in Belgium as some may know.

In Belgium we had probably the most War per square Mile or KM.

Napoleon lost in Waterloo.
We had WW1 in Flanders Fields.
And we had also WW2 and some more French-Dutch battles etc..

Now Belgium had no super army like Germany and the other nations
covered already, but they had a resistance net bringing safe many of the allies that where trapped in occupied Belgium.
Sabotaging the occupants army or draw maps of German positions.

So i never see that mentioned, and in remembrance of the men and women that risked their lives to help the Allied pilots and soldiers sometimes risking not only their life but also their family's life if they got caught.

For memoir i was thinking maybe they could have Belgian resistance troops that throw an extra die in sabotage scenario's or could have a Battle card that sabotages Axis mobile troops.

Just a thought.




[Updated on: Sat, 08 January 2011 10:40]

      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Sun, 09 January 2011 11:13
A general resistance expansion could be fun.

We already have some rules and scenarios for the French, but what about Belgians (as just mentioned) Norwegians, Yugoslav Partisans, Lithuanians (I.e. the film Defiance, once marvellously described to me as "James Bond, Billy Elliot and Sabretooth fighting the Nazis") maybe even some stuff for the Warsaw uprising. (Urban combat cards in use for Poles only?)

Would seem reasonably easy to integrate with the existing game, utilising current concepts, but with plenty of scope for new ideas, and as JJAZ has said, some coverage for the folks who don't always get mentioned.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Mon, 10 January 2011 18:36
You are trully "mighty" jim Laughing
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Mon, 10 January 2011 19:58
And don't forget the Russian Partisans also...

Maybe a minor forces expansion??? Plain clothes mini with a rifle in a neutral light grey? Could be used for all kinds of Partisans?


Maybe an Artillery Expansion???
New Minis for the Germans and Americans???
Mobile Artillery minis and rules update?
maybe add assault guns???

The Germans had a lot of Assault guns/tanks, tanks with big short guns that fired HE. They used them for Infantry support to take out bunkers and buildings in city fighting???

Maybe a tank unit of three, being hit on grenades and armor and fire 321 ignoring terrain???

That is what I came up with long time ago for a Stalingrad scenario I was working on?


hummm.... maybe a combo expansion???
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Mon, 10 January 2011 20:35
I want to see a desert wars expansion. An expansion that comes with essentially the same thing as winter wars but would be desert themed. It would come with a deck of desert combat cards and a bunch of desert terrain tiles and new scenarios for regular and breakthrough memoir.

I would also like to see army packs for:
The French.
The Italians.
A German allies expansion that would cover the Hungarian, Romania, and Bulgaria Forces.
The Finnish
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Mon, 10 January 2011 21:26
I'd like to see (in no particular order so long as they all come out Laughing )

French Army Pack - you can't do 1940 Blitzkreig with US troops and tanks
Campaign Book #2 (Eastern front 1942-43; Burma etc.)
Pacific Island / Shore Battle Map

However I'm not sure I want too many more rules. Figures and scenarios would do just fine.

[Updated on: Mon, 10 January 2011 21:26]

      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Tue, 11 January 2011 00:17
I mirror the sentiments about another campaign book, so long as it has more Pacific scenarios.

New rules or expanded rules wouldnt be unwelcome either as this game seems to be developing nicely. It is becoming more detailed and getting closer to the thinking-man's game of tabletop combat like its predecessors Tide of Iron and Squad Leader. So long as it keeps its ease-of-use... I'm in Smile

Army/ Vehicle /Card packs are a great idea.

Lastly, another series of pre-printed map scenarios with extra stuff from the Pacific theatre.

Jed
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Tue, 11 January 2011 19:12
I concur with Achtung Panzer in that new additional rules would be hard on me. I still did not have the time to study or play the new winter rules.So yeah, new figures and some new scenarios for a while... and definitely a new Campaign book: Pacific, Desert, Italian?
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Wed, 12 January 2011 00:56
DesertFox98 wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 10:56

So I realize this may not be the direction the folks at DOW are wanting to head with M44, but I was thinking the other day that it might be interesting if they could put together an expansion pack and board geared exclusively to naval units...where the ships were more than just cardboard tokens, and the planes were scaled down to the size of the ships (and you had enough for a whole fleet) -- think similar to Axis & Allies for that... The board might have to be a little larger (depending on what rules for movement and firepower were developed), but one side of the board could be open ocean, the other could be a harbor setting (or coastal with more ocean room than the current 'coastal' board, and then various pieces to 'construct' a harbor).

Anyone else have a thought on this? Maybe there just aren't enough authentic major naval actions from WWII to put something like this in, but it would certainly make it interesting for anyone who wanted to design fictitious "what if" scenarios...for example, a "what if there had been an actual naval battle in Tokyo harbor between the US and Japan in preparation for an invasion", "what if the German navy and Luftwaffe had converged on one of the British harbors", "what if the Russian navy had attacked a harbor in the Baltic Sea", etc.


Here was one thread where a small navy against the shore batteries, ect was talked about: http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=111001#msg_111001

I would just like more ocean and ships to attack the shore, and amended rules on ships attacking units in caves. As I said once before, they bombarded those caves for three days at Iwo Jima, and didn't kill many Japanese that way.

[Updated on: Wed, 12 January 2011 00:56]

      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Thu, 13 January 2011 20:52
In fits and starts of spare time I've been slowly piecing together a theater-sized grand campaign system linking individual scenarios to a larger, continent-focused strategic map. Deploying troops, directing reinforcements, and choosing when and where to make your pushes on the larger scale are part of what I hope to accomplish.

What I'm saying is, in the highly highly highly unlikely instance of something like that coming out I'D BE ALL OVER IT.

But realistically, I know it's a completely separate game, which means it's nothing more than a personal project.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Thu, 13 January 2011 22:47
I don't see the naval thing (couldn't you just play Battleships instead Confused ) and don't see that many buyers for things like Belgians or Italians (no offence intended), or at least not sufficient to make it viable commercially.

What would make an interesting expansion (as I've said before) is sufficient all-sea/big river and coastal hexes to turn maps into more interesting beach scenarios (as opposed to two hexes of sea, three of beach right across the board), for things like commando raids etc.

But the one I'd definitely buy would be a box of minis -- more jeeps and half-tracks and lorries, but also armoured cars, tank destroyers and and few more aircraft (Stukas!!!!).

If those followed the same one color for all sides strategy, why not chuck in some men too, for things like officers, engineers, FOOs, snipers...?
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 14 January 2011 09:18
SirKirby wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 21:47


If those followed the same one color for all sides strategy, why not chuck in some men too, for things like officers, engineers, FOOs, snipers...?


What's a FOO? (I'm guessing you don't expect a Dave Grohl miniature)
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 14 January 2011 09:36
Sorry: FOO=Forward Observation Officer, ie an artillery "spotter".

We play a house rule that the FOO turns any artillery into "big guns" on any targets he can "see".
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 14 January 2011 18:40
Mighty Jim 83 wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 09:18


What's a FOO? (I'm guessing you don't expect a Dave Grohl miniature)

Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 14 January 2011 18:44
Who's Dave Grohl...? Oh, I see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grohl

OK, yes! I do: and new house rule... Laughing

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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Fri, 14 January 2011 19:25
They should make a big box expansion called memoir 39. That would be a good way to get the forces of the french into the mix.

It could come with complete armies for the French and early war Germans (they could have little Panzer 2s instead of 4s)

The French could also have two types of tanks a standard tank that counts as normal tanks and Char B1 that would use the same rules as Tiger tanks.

The Germans could also have this special rule for early war

Blitzkrieg-If there is a unordered tank unit adjacent to an ordered infantry unit that tank unit receives a free on the move order. The tank unit must end this on the move order adjacent to a friendly ordered infantry unit.

I know the chances of something like this coming out is about 0% but I think it would be neat and I thought the Blitzkrieg special rule would be pretty cool so I wanted to share that with the Memoir Community.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Sat, 15 January 2011 12:17
Wow so many great ideas here I agree with you all Smile

I was thinking what about a small expansion of special weapons of world war 2 ? Primarily I am leaning toward unusual stuff that was actually deployed but possibly including experimental devices that weren't fully realised.

Here are some ideas.

Remote control demolition carriers like the Borgward and Goliath.

Nebelwerfer 41/42 smoke launchers.

Radio controlled flying bombs like the Henschel HS 293 and the Ruhrsthl SD 1400 "Fritz X"

The V1 and V2

"Stalins Organ" Multi rocket launcher BM-8/BM-13

The Kamikaze Rocket propelled aircraft the MXY-7 OHKA

Sherman crab with its mine clearing flail

The Sherman duplex drive (amphibious skirt)or amphibian exhaust variants

Bridgelayers. Avre Bobbin layer for soft sand to stop sinking of heavy equipment.

Ok those are a few of wide a variety of specials that pop into my head. I apreciate they wouldn't all go into the same box or maybe be practical in game terms, but Im sure everyone has an idea of a Special/unusal weapon that would work.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Sat, 15 January 2011 13:18
As much as I like the current expanions, and as much as I would like to see the one or the other future expansion, my fear is that if this would be carried too far, we would end up with a game where not even two units share the same abilities and are subject to the same rules, and if this would be the case, the fun factor would be greatly diminished. In my opinion, the fact that M44 is so easy to play is one of the game's greatest advantages. If I want to see greater detail and more realism, I usually play PC games like "Men of War" etc. For a boardgame and its online adaptation, M44 has nearly all I want.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Sat, 15 January 2011 16:03
Turboheizer wrote on Sat, 15 January 2011 12:18

As much as I like the current expanions, and as much as I would like to see the one or the other future expansion, my fear is that if this would be carried too far, we would end up with a game where not even two units share the same abilities and are subject to the same rules, and if this would be the case, the fun factor would be greatly diminished. In my opinion, the fact that M44 is so easy to play is one of the game's greatest advantages. For a boardgame M44 has nearly all I want.


Turboheizer, I 100 per cent agree with you Thumbs Up

      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Sat, 15 January 2011 19:21
Much as I like playing with house rules and enjoy having a variety of figures on the board, I also agree with Turboheizer and think that too much detail would detract from the game.

However, there's not much likelihood of such an expansion, as any future expansion has too have broad appeal to make it financially viable.

On the other hand, do even the most die-hard "stick-with-rules" players seriously think that the expansions we've seen so far have not added to the fun of the game?

Assuming that they have actually played games with them, do they not like having Tigers (etc), on winter roads (etc)?

Anyone who's been playing M44 for any length of time will appreciate that the game is in pretty good hands as far as many things are concerned, future expansions being one of them.
      
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Re:Suggestion for new expansion Sat, 15 January 2011 23:29
The Beauty of the game and any additions is the variation to gameplay they provide on the various battlefronts we play.

Yes it would be a nightmare if no two units on the board shared the same rules but surely that is unlikely? Unless you are specifically creating a Gigantic mosh of a map and using units for the sake of it and drawing on all the different battlefronts.

Its not in many cases generating a need for new physical units to be made just a new card. Tanks or tanks with flamethrowers are with us and you are free to use or ignore them in your own maps. The official maps never seem to over "new"units or rules.

I know some folks make there own specialised cards for specific tanks as an example, so maybe house rules and homegrown cards are the way to go? I would still like to see some more variant tank cards to give me the option in game to allow them into my maps.

My main point is that I love the fact that no matter what new rules appear you don't have to be able to recall them all off the top of your head. You only need to worry about the ones that appear in the current scenario/Battlefront or campaign.
      
    
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