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Vulch
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Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 00:47
Dear DOW

The rank system is boring me and turning me off the game.

To be more precise, not knowing what I have to do is boring me and turning me off the game.

When I started you told me what I had to do to reach the next rank. I had a goal, I had an aim, I had something to look forward to and I knew what I had to do to achieve it. It was fun.

Now I have reached Captain and am trying to reach Major. But (despite your hints), I have no idea what I need to do to achieve it. I have got every award there is to offer. I have won every scenario on both sides. I have played against real people of ever available rank (134 times). But still no promotion. I could continue playing for days, weeks or months and still not get promoted; because I don't know what is required of me. I have no goal, I have no aim, it is getting boring.

I thought you should know. Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 04:06
I'd prefer the ranking to just go away......this is about playing M44 not trying to become a Major or General.

If this all you are trying to do. Call up Uncle Sam and enlist.

      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 04:21
Gentlemen - if you aren't happy with the ranks & points then ignore them. It is that simple.

I enjoy the rank system and achievements/awards. I'm not sure how I made it to Major, but that doesn't matter very much to me.

I'm not so happy with the points. I play newer players, usually playing both sides. If I lose either game I will be worse off in points no matter how well I lost or won. But it doesn't put me off playing.

Overall I play to have fun - and I do have fun.
Don't let the ranks/points/awards put you off, have fun
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 09:24
It's true that a lot of military themed games you can play have the achievements and rank promotions laid out clearly for everyone to see. Searching for the achievements and ranks is a little bit different approach...and I can see the appeal because there is a sense of excitement and accomplishment when you find a new Achievement or get promoted!

Would it make things more fun for people to know what they're doing? Like if we had a checklist of requirements toward promotion or something? Or would that be just too simple and take away the fun of the hunt? Rolling Eyes I don't know what I think...
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 10:28
Fine as it is,
first of there are vague guidelines and secondly there is great support here on the forum.

Oh, and if you want to make a general in real life go become an officer first before you enlist. And then your promotions and what is needed will be even harder to understand.
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 13:53
I sympathise as I have 193 battles and no idea what to aim for to gain rank, also it seems that so far none of the Majors have any idea why they got promoted. This essentially means promotion to Major is pretty random at present. I would not say that the ranking system is boring me but it does not give me anything to aim for, currently I will just enjoy the games, with rank being of just passing interest as there are no known thresholds. If there were clearer targets it would allow me to have goals and be much more interesting like the achievements.
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 15:49
I seriously doubt there is anything random about it, and prefer there to be some mystery involved. Having requirements for promotions and awards clearly spelled out pushes people down a narrow path in my opinion. I prefer to find my own path.

      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 16:10
I don' mind finding my own path, but I could be heading up completely the wrong path and never know it. How do I know which path to take?

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This certainly seems to be true, judging from the ribbons and awards you collected!


Well I have won every available ribbon and award, so it can't be anything to do with this.

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Word at HQ is that you've scored well over a dozen victories against a variety of opponents.


I have scored well over a dozen victories, in fact I have won every scenario on both sides.

Variety of opponents, what does that mean? I have played against people of all ranks.

I am just confused over what path to take, I am groping in the dark, with no indication whatsoever if I am on the right track.
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 16:19
@Boca
I didnt mean it was actually random, but if no one knows why they get promoted to Major it might as well be. I have no problem with hidden criteria it just means that for me the rank system can only be of passing interest, so my goals will be to enjoy playing, win games, and gain achievements in that order. However that said perhaps you are right, some mystery is good and maybe this is for the best as finding your own path can be very rewarding, but doesn't it detract from the satisfaction of gaining promotion if you dont know what you did to earn it?
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 16:43
Queripel wrote on Sun, 16 January 2011 10:19

@Boca
my goals will be to enjoy playing, win games, and gain achievements in that order



That sounds like an excellent path

[Updated on: Sun, 16 January 2011 16:44]

      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 17:02
Vulch wrote on Sun, 16 January 2011 15:10

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This certainly seems to be true, judging from the ribbons and awards you collected!


Well I have won every available ribbon and award, so it can't be anything to do with this.


Amazing. That statement is silly. Has it not occured to you that there are several requirements? And since it is stated awards (a number that we don't know) is ONE of the requirements. Think before you nag.

Vulch wrote on Sun, 16 January 2011 15:10

Variety of opponents, what does that mean? I have played against people of all ranks.


Play more opponents, see if it helps. I am certain it will!
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 17:30
I have the same sentiment. I want to know exactly what I need to focus on. I can't be arsed with half witted hints and riddles when I'm trying to climb a ladder. As much as I love memoir and as much as I love the m44o game, I just can't force myself into playing if I don't even know what I'm trying to achieve.

My personal goal in this game is a high military rank. So unless I know what I need to do to achieve this exactly, I just have no incentive to play.

I play real life memoir fun fun with friends, but online I'd like to achieve something, that's just the definition of online game. Not knowing how to achieve this leaves me with playing the board game with real friends.

It is also the reason I created the king of beta tournament, because you are working towards something with a clear goal in mind.

[Updated on: Sun, 16 January 2011 17:31]

      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 18:07
PFC Jökull wrote on Sun, 16 January 2011 16:02

Vulch wrote on Sun, 16 January 2011 15:10

Quote:

This certainly seems to be true, judging from the ribbons and awards you collected!


Well I have won every available ribbon and award, so it can't be anything to do with this.


Amazing. That statement is silly. Has it not occured to you that there are several requirements? And since it is stated awards (a number that we don't know) is ONE of the requirements. Think before you nag.


Why is that statement silly?

-Awards are one of the requirements (or why mention them).
Whether they are one of, or the only requirement is irrelevant. Since I have all of them, then that part of the requirement is nullified.

-"A number we don't know", what on earth does that mean? People who have been promoted already have the same number of awards as me, there are no others to get at this current time.

Maybe it is YOU who should think before you nag Rolling Eyes

[Updated on: Sun, 16 January 2011 18:58]

      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 18:32
Dear Vulch,

Let us check your Play history and see what might be causing this. There might still be a bug, we'll verify and either fix it or give you a hint.

Also regarding the overall rank and achievement system: There are still some pieces of the puzzle in development, especially a Career page on the web site, that will let you see at once glance your game history, the opponents you played again, when you got a promotion and moved up in rank or received an achievement, etc...

All this will help players figure out what additional experience they might be missing for the next promotion.

Being too explicit would cause some folks to try and game the system though, which would be no fun. So we'll continue to try and find a balance.

Thanks for your understanding.

Eric
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Sun, 16 January 2011 18:55
eric wrote on Sun, 16 January 2011 17:32

Let us check your Play history and see what might be causing this. There might still be a bug, we'll verify and either fix it or give you a hint.


Eric, thanks for that, even if it makes me look silly, if it turns out to be all my own (being rubbish) fault. Very kind offer.

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Also regarding the overall rank and achievement system: There are still some pieces of the puzzle in development, especially a Career page on the web site, that will let you see at once glance your game history, the opponents you played again, when you got a promotion and moved up in rank or received an achievement, etc...

All this will help players figure out what additional experience they might be missing for the next promotion.

Being too explicit would cause some folks to try and game the system though, which would be no fun. So we'll continue to try and find a balance.


Eric, great answer, exactly what I wanted to hear. It won't be (so much of) a mystery once we get out of beta.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Vulch

[Updated on: Sun, 16 January 2011 18:56]

      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Mon, 17 January 2011 10:28
Vulch wrote on Sun, 16 January 2011 01:47

Dear DOW

Now I have reached Captain and am trying to reach Major. But (despite your hints), I have no idea what I need to do to achieve it. I have got every award there is to offer. I have won every scenario on both sides. I have played against real people of ever available rank (134 times). But still no promotion. I could continue playing for days, weeks or months and still not get promoted; because I don't know what is required of me. I have no goal, I have no aim, it is getting boring.


There was a bug in the system that block promotion to Major. DOW said it is fixed now and you would be promoted in the next game you play.
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Mon, 17 January 2011 10:39
bikini wrote on Mon, 17 January 2011 09:28

There was a bug in the system that block promotion to Major. DOW said it is fixed now and you would be promoted in the next game you play.



Hi bikini, yes I was aware of that. I had been a Captain for some time, got all the awards, won every scenario on both sides, and played well over a hundred games against a range of opponents; before DOW fixed the bug. I didn't then get automatically promoted when the bug was fixed and am struggling to see why not.

That was the reason for my post. Not necessarily because I didn't get promoted, but "why" I didn't.

If it's because I am rubbish, then fair enough, but there is a possibility that the bug didn't fix everyone it should have. Also, as Eric has kindly pointed out, it will be less of a mystery later on when you can look at your past history in detail, including opponents, etc.
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Mon, 17 January 2011 15:50
It all depends on this mysterious phrase "a variety of opponents". Now, in what respects do opponents vary? Firstly, they total number of opponents encountered is different for every player. Secondly, the rank of the opponents differs from Cadet to Major. And thirdly, the opponents represent different armies from the Axis and the Allied camp. So, perhaps there must be a certain amount of French Cadets, Japanese Lieutenants, Soviet Captains etc. among the opponents against we have played?
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Mon, 17 January 2011 19:28
Dear Vulch,

There was still a bug indeed, that prevented you (and possibly a small subset of other players) from earning your due. This is in the process of being fixed, and you should soon be next in line for promotion.

Our apologies for the delay.

The DoW High Command
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Mon, 17 January 2011 21:16
eric wrote on Mon, 17 January 2011 18:28

Dear Vulch,

There was still a bug indeed, that prevented you (and possibly a small subset of other players) from earning your due. This is in the process of being fixed, and you should soon be next in line for promotion.

Our apologies for the delay.

The DoW High Command



So I'm not just rubbish at M44 then Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Mon, 17 January 2011 21:48
Vulch wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 10:01


So I'm not just rubbish at M44 then Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


I, for one, Vulch never thought you were/are.

[Updated on: Mon, 17 January 2011 21:48]

      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Tue, 18 January 2011 17:02
Vulch wrote on Mon, 17 January 2011 21:16

So I'm not just rubbish at M44 then Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

We made a server restart this morning. Give it a try and let us know how it goes.

Yann
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Tue, 18 January 2011 17:52
Yann wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 20:02

Vulch wrote on Mon, 17 January 2011 21:16

So I'm not just rubbish at M44 then Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

We made a server restart this morning. Give it a try and let us know how it goes.

Yann


So, is Vulch reporting on if he's rubbish at M44 or on if he can now be promoted to Major?! Laughing Laughing

Just kidding, Vulch. I know you're not rubbish at this game and I hope the promotion goes smoothly. You deserve it, my man!! Cool
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Tue, 18 January 2011 18:10
Yann wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 16:02

Vulch wrote on Mon, 17 January 2011 21:16

So I'm not just rubbish at M44 then Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

We made a server restart this morning. Give it a try and let us know how it goes.

Yann


Won 3 games today, still no promotion.

Passed over again Crying or Very Sad
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Tue, 18 January 2011 18:14
Vulch wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 21:10



Won 3 games today, still no promotion.

Passed over again Crying or Very Sad


Is there something you did to upset your CO?! Maybe a prank went too far...was it the 'grenade in the latrine' trick or something? Laughing
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Tue, 18 January 2011 18:21
You might be playing the wrong caliber of opponent.

      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Tue, 18 January 2011 19:14
Hey Vulch

looking over your past few days of opponents I noticed a lot of different people, that's good, but only one game each? Maybe try the swap sides thing? I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but it might?
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Tue, 18 January 2011 19:36
rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 17:14


Is there something you did to upset your CO?! Maybe a prank went too far...was it the 'grenade in the latrine' trick or something? Laughing


Well there was that incident with the Colonels wife and the tub of swarfega!!! Shocked

Randwulf, DOW have identified it as a database problem.
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Tue, 18 January 2011 21:13
Vulch wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 18:10

Won 3 games today, still no promotion.

Passed over again Crying or Very Sad

OK, I guess we're back to square one. Dead We'll give it another shot on Wednesday morning.

Yann
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Wed, 19 January 2011 01:28
I hope you feel special Vulch, you are getting some good service from some busy people. Rolling Eyes If this is any indication of how dow intends to treat their clients, we will be well cared for.
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Wed, 19 January 2011 04:34
Boca wrote on Wed, 19 January 2011 04:28

If this is any indication of how dow intends to treat their clients, we will be well cared for.


This is not an isolated event...this is how DoW always treats their customers and yes, we are very well cared for!! Very Happy
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Wed, 19 January 2011 11:02
Boca wrote on Wed, 19 January 2011 00:28

I hope you feel special Vulch, you are getting some good service from some busy people. Rolling Eyes If this is any indication of how dow intends to treat their clients, we will be well cared for.


I feel very special, as I hope I conveyed in my reply to Eric.

I would also hope this database problem is being fixed to help other people as well, not just me Embarassed

I have never had anything but exemplary customer service from DOW. Very Happy
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Wed, 19 January 2011 17:39
Dear Vulch,

check my post in Becoming a Major thread - I got promoted to Major today and listed everything I could think of that might have helped.

And see you on the battlefield Smile
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Wed, 19 January 2011 20:13
Yann wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 20:13

Vulch wrote on Tue, 18 January 2011 18:10

Won 3 games today, still no promotion.

Passed over again Crying or Very Sad

OK, I guess we're back to square one. Dead We'll give it another shot on Wednesday morning.

Yann



Yann

First game I played today (lost) resulted in promotion.

Thanks.

Vulch
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Wed, 19 January 2011 21:11
Vulch wrote on Thu, 20 January 2011 08:58


Yann

First game I played today (lost) resulted in promotion.

Thanks.

Vulch


Is the a major improvement? Laughing Laughing Laughing


Congratulations Vulch on your long overdue promotion.
All good things come to those who wait (and wait and wait ....).
      
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Re:Dear DOW the rank system is boring me Wed, 19 January 2011 21:17
As you can see, Vulch's bug was obviously the same who hemmed my promotion until today. Having won every available achievement and every scenario I played so far (Gallabat & Metemma being the hardest), I was pleased to learn that I have also been awarded the Eichenlaub. Smile
      
    
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