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Turboheizer
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Sudden Death? Fri, 21 January 2011 15:20
Has anybody of you been able to win a game by Sudden Death? I wonder what happens if you are trailing your opponent 1:5, but win the game by Sudden Death. Will you still be rated as "underperformed", because you didn't reach the average number of medals?
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Fri, 21 January 2011 15:31
Turboheizer wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 18:20

Has anybody of you been able to win a game by Sudden Death? I wonder what happens if you are trailing your opponent 1:5, but win the game by Sudden Death. Will you still be rated as "underperformed", because you didn't reach the average number of medals?


Yep, I've won with the Sudden Death victory (I thought maybe there was an achievement available for it) and I won with about 2 medals. I did indeed underperform...! Laughing
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Fri, 21 January 2011 17:37
What? I seem to remember getting Full medal score for winning Saverne Gap and I killed only two enemy squads...
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Fri, 21 January 2011 18:01
I have UNDERPERFORMED most of my life I think.

But to answer your question, YES, I have won Saverne Gap scenario multiple times by the Sudden Death rules and of course
"UNDERPERFORMED".

It is beyond hurting my feelings at this point.
Very Happy
      
Michael Von Älterman
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Re:Sudden Death? Fri, 21 January 2011 18:14
Can you explain the sudden death rule
I've seen it on several scenario's but don't really know the rule
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Fri, 21 January 2011 18:19
Basically there are two ways to win on a scenario with a SUDDEN DEATH rule.

1. Be the first to earn the set number of medals for victory OR
2. Satisfy the requirements of the sudden death rule.

In the Saverne Gap scenario the Allied requirement to win by SUDDEN DEATH is to occupy 2 of the 3 town hexes. So, if the Allies manage to occupy 2 hexes and yet have no other medals, even though the Axis may actually have more medals, the Allies still win.

http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=29

THE SUDDEN DEATH RULE MAY BE DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

Parker's Crossroads

Occupy the Three Town Hexes for Axis
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=1363

Suomussalmi

If Finnish units occupy 3 of the 4 town hexes at the end of their turn, they win immediately
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/en/editor/view/?id=1409

[Updated on: Fri, 21 January 2011 18:25]

      
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Re:Sudden Death? Fri, 21 January 2011 18:34
Understood Stevens

Roger Out
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Fri, 21 January 2011 18:50
The underperformed when winning by sudden death is a known problem to the team, and I have suggested to them that we get a Sudden death win icon or that sudden death wins trigger a good performance icon.

      
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Re:Sudden Death? Sun, 23 January 2011 06:11
I just won Saverne Gap by sudden death. As soon as my second unit entered Saverne the game ended. It didn't wait until the end of my turn.

This doesn't seem quite correct - according to the rules it should wait until the end of my turn.

I suppose it wouldn't make much difference, unless on the off chance I attacked an adjacent unit, and the guy happened to have an ambush card. That would be pretty funny.

Thoughts?
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Re:Sudden Death? Sun, 23 January 2011 06:25
gorthmog wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 09:11

I just won Saverne Gap by sudden death. As soon as my second unit entered Saverne the game ended. It didn't wait until the end of my turn.

This doesn't seem quite correct - according to the rules it should wait until the end of my turn.

I suppose it wouldn't make much difference, unless on the off chance I attacked an adjacent unit, and the guy happened to have an ambush card. That would be pretty funny.

Thoughts?
-Chris


Normally, "Sudden Death" means that the moment you meet the sudden death conditions (in this case you capture more of the town) the game is over. You don't get any more moves or attacks...just like you don't get to finish your turn if you eliminate the last unit needed for victory.

[Updated on: Sun, 23 January 2011 06:42]

      
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Re:Sudden Death? Sun, 23 January 2011 10:16
Actually in ANY scenario it would be nice for the winning turn not to end immediately (always assuming that it's you that's winning!).

You're one medal short of victory but have set up a grandstand finish putting you in a position to knocked out 3 more units this turn -- only as soon as you knocked out one, GAME OVER.

Think we should be able to properly savour our digital triumphs Laughing !
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Sun, 23 January 2011 12:46
Ther is a reason it is called

SUDDEN DEATH

because it happens suddenly!!!!

Otherwise it would be called slow death; stifling death; wait untill I finish my turn death; because I like to gloat death; etc.
Laughing

[Updated on: Sun, 23 January 2011 12:48]

      
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Re:Sudden Death? Sun, 23 January 2011 14:22
SirKirby wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 13:16

Think we should be able to properly savour our digital triumphs Laughing !


When the game eventually allows Campaign system battles, it will be very important that a battle ends right when you get that last medal because otherwise you would be able to capture an objective or pad your victory... Razz

But you're absolutely right; I love finishing my turn when I'm playing the regular board game to see how many medals I can get with those final attacks. I think my record was getting 3 medals after winning the game! Smile My brother wasn't as excited as I was!! Laughing

[Updated on: Sun, 23 January 2011 14:22]

      
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Re:Sudden Death? Mon, 24 January 2011 04:03
What's the opposite to sudden death?

Shocked Shocked Shocked Lingering Death. Shocked Shocked Shocked

That's when you just don't have the cards and the dice just won't roll anything but flags and stars. Mad Mad Mad
You can see what the results going to be, but because you're honourable you just won't quit trying and hoping. Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Mon, 24 January 2011 07:05
Phread wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 04:03

What's the opposite to sudden death?

Shocked Shocked Shocked Lingering Death. Shocked Shocked Shocked

That's when you just don't have the cards and the dice just won't roll anything but flags and stars. Mad Mad Mad
You can see what the results going to be, but because you're honourable you just won't quit trying and hoping. Laughing Laughing Laughing


Yep, suffered that more than once, and seen it happen too...

Only solution when your opponent is suffering from a Lingering Death situation: Finish the game as quickly as possible, don't save that Barrage...
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Mon, 24 January 2011 09:52
Nygaard wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 10:05

Only solution when your opponent is suffering from a Lingering Death situation: Finish the game as quickly as possible, don't save that Barrage...


It's true...the worst thing is when you're dying slowly without a chance to win and your opponent slows the game down by using cards to 'get into a better position' and they draw things out even more than normal! Confused There's nothing you can do but wait and watch them slowly crawl their way to victory...knowing that if you had even a decent card you could make them pay! Razz

Needless to say I would be tempted to add the player to my "Ignore" list if he wasn't my brother! Laughing
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Mon, 24 January 2011 13:48
Unfortunately, If you are in a tournament match play situation, your opponent may use this opportunity to run up the KILLED FIGURES count in order to have an advantage should the match end in a tie.

Just realize that this is not mean spirited, it is just GAMING at this point. I would do the same.

Take your punishment like a man. No Crying, no whining and always...
Blame it on the Cards and Dice.
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Tue, 25 January 2011 09:38
stevens wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 13:48

Unfortunately, If you are in a tournament match play situation, your opponent may use this opportunity to run up the KILLED FIGURES count in order to have an advantage should the match end in a tie.

Just realize that this is not mean spirited, it is just GAMING at this point. I would do the same.

Take your punishment like a man. No Crying, no whining and always...
Blame it on the Cards and Dice.


Well that's another situation. I would never blame someone from going for as big a victory as possible, and I certainly hope they don't mind when I retreat my 1 fig inf back behind thick woods just keep them from getting a point.

Play as strongly as you can, just don't be a dick (unless your name is Richard)

Magnus
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Thu, 27 January 2011 08:14
ad79 wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 18:50

The underperformed when winning by sudden death is a known problem to the team, and I have suggested to them that we get a Sudden death win icon or that sudden death wins trigger a good performance icon.



I believe this was fixed in b15, now you get the full medal count when winning with a sudden death and thus you don't underperform anymore. But this isn't retro-active.
      
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Re:Sudden Death? Thu, 27 January 2011 11:18
Thanks Brice!
I think this is SUDDEN GRACE. I appreciate the quick DOW response.
      
    
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