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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Wed, 16 February 2011 18:20
nice to be qualified for final Smile

lucky ... but qualified is qualified ....

I can play tomorrow (Thursday) or next Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday

Best time 9 pm.

Cu and .... hope the luck will stay with me Smile

yaelka

P.S.: Nice to meet everyone from group D again .... must have been a strong group

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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Wed, 16 February 2011 21:40
Finally, I can't play tomorrow thursday
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 17 February 2011 10:49
Grats Yaelka !

I can play at 21:00 CET. I let you choose the day !

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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 17 February 2011 11:52
So, it just depends on KNock and Elka.

Seems impossible before next Wednesday if I'm right.

Wednesday 23rd then 9:00 CET ?
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 17 February 2011 16:10
Sysyphus écrit le Thu, 17 February 2011 11:52

So, it just depends on KNock and Elka.

Seems impossible before next Wednesday if I'm right.

Wednesday 23rd then 9:00 CET ?


You're not right...because Yaelka can't play on wednesday... and because I made a mistake ! Razz I can't play saturday, and CAN play sunday !

So we can play sunday or thursday : Yaelka, what do you prefer ?
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 17 February 2011 16:24
We may have a larger audience on Sunday Smile
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 17 February 2011 17:12
Sunday would be nice for me ... Smile

... but if not, next Wednesday would also be ok.
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 17 February 2011 17:56
OK then EPO & Kostas : just pick Sunday or Wednesday 9:00 CET !
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Fri, 18 February 2011 07:45
I prefer sunday, wednesday could be ok, thursday is no longer possible for me.
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Fri, 18 February 2011 14:56
OK for Sunday !

9:00 CET c'est notre heure à nous qu'on a non ?

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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Fri, 18 February 2011 20:51
In the end, Sunday won't work for me, just had a family dinner planned. Won't be late but i can't promise anything. Better then to schedule on Wednesday ?

Sorry.
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Sat, 19 February 2011 09:16
wednesday is ok for me!
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Sat, 19 February 2011 10:43
Ok for wednesday for me
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Sat, 19 February 2011 14:12
ok, Wednesday then Smile
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Mon, 21 February 2011 12:03
Wednesday OK !
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Wed, 23 February 2011 20:58
game 1
Kostas Sysyphus EPO Knockando Yaelka
game 2
Kostas Sysyphus EPO Knockando
game 3
Kostas Sysyphus EPO Yaelka
game 4
Kostas Sysyphus Knockando Yaelka
game 5
Kostas EPO Knockando Yaelka
game 6
Sysyphus EPO Knockando Yaelka
game 7
Kostas Sysyphus EPO Knockando Yaelka
game 8
Kostas Sysyphus EPO Knockando Yaelka
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 01:23
GRATS KNOCK

Knock had a pretty good start in first 4 games.

I was thinking it was lacking of block on him.
So everybody jumped on him last game, and i decided to kill them all. That was it :

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/02/24/11022401294534950.png

Thx Qorlas and Val for organizing !

[Updated on: Thu, 24 February 2011 01:30]

      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 07:49
Nice end for MC vol.2

Grats Knock!

That pic is soo beautiful. That's what multi 5er is at it's best Smile, nice twinnie Wink

And thx for organising goes for Qorlas 99%, big time thx Q!

Val
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 14:34
lol sysy!! you decided to kill them all? what are you? the punisher?? it was the final game, so everybody tried the best for himself,except you! you were trying the best for knock! he was good eitherway!
so, grats to knock!
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 15:43
Woo Ana, try to think over the whole tourney.
My main point = Knock wasn't considered as a dangerous threat from the beginning by Kostas and he reacted too late.

And I even said in the lobby after game 2, Knock should be the target... (check the standings after game 2 and game 4, nothing happened).


Final

Single event: February 23.


Game 1: Knockando 124 - Sysyphus 113 - Yaelka 105 - Kostas 102 - EPO 89 EPO +1 point

Knockando 9; Sysyphus 5; Yaelka 3; Kostas, EPO 1


Game 2:Knockando 119 - Sysyphus 112 - Kostas 102 - Yaelka 101

Knockando 16; Sysyphus 9; Yaelka, Kostas 3; EPO 1


Game 3: EPO 142 - Yaelka 112 - Sysyphus 107 - Knockando 77

Knockando 16; Sysyphus 11; EPO 8; Yaelka 7; Kostas 3


Game 4: Knockando 129 - Kostas 121 - EPO 118 - Sysyphus 108

Knockando 23; Sysyphus 11; EPO 10; Yaelka, Kostas 7


Game 5: Kostas 121 - Knockando 111 - Yaelka 102 - EPO 81

Knockando 27; Kostas 14; Sysyphus 11; EPO 10; Yaelka 9


Game 6: EPO 116 - Yaelka 110 - Kostas 109 - Sysyphus 96 (Sysyphus +7 points)

Knockando 27; Sysyphus 18; EPO 17; Kostas 16; Yaelka 13


Game 7: Kostas 108 - EPO 99 - Knockando 91 - Sysyphus 84 - Yaelka 75

Knockando 30; Kostas 25; EPO 22; Sysyphus 19; Yaelka 13


Game 8: Sysyphus 103 - yaelka 44 - EPO 37 - Knockando 34 - Kostas 33

Knockando 31; Sysyphus 28; Kostas & EPO 25 ; Yaelka 18





And there's my view of the tourney.



In the first 5er, knock had 5 tix and longest. Only one of us wasn't too busy with his tix and could have blocked him or at least be on his way...kostas. But he went for big trax, that was his choice. Here, Knock was not considered as a dangerous threat to him...

In the last 2 4ers that included Knock, kostas gave an extra round to everybody because he wanted a bit more points.. and both times that let Knock drew and/or time to recover and won 1 or 2 spots.

In the 2nd 5er, kostas started to block... Yeah, i could have helped, but i had 3 tix to make... The block would have give me one more point in the standings when i was already 4th in the standings. Wasn't up to me to do that....
I was trying to connect my tix (chi-fe, den pitt and sea la) and get a chance to draw for the win, chance that i didn't have.
EPO and ELka decided to bother me instead, probably because they had the colours to do it (useless blocks since i was making my tix separated).

In the last game, Kostas started to block Knock. I was already out for the win, when EPO still had a chance.
EPO joined the block.
Then Knock found an opportunity to block Kostas.
Kostas decided HIMSELF to skip that track (yeah, Knock was pink, Kostas red, I was yellow). Then, that let me the option to debate "to block or not to block?".
If i blocked, it's only because i had the colours to kill epo and kostas. Knock already dead and Elka really struggling, that was, in my opinion, a smart and valuable block that would give me a HUGE profit .

What's a smart block to me ? A block which is not a block for the pleasure of blocking, to show others "hey guys, I blocked a top multi player, I'm therefore a top multi player too...!! even if I didn't gain any advantadge by doing so "
(i.e. Pammes in qualifying round, who was destroyed and had no chance to claim another spot but the last one in the game and in the group, that decided to focus on me because i was winning the game... He didn't gain anything by doing it...but i guess he was quite self satisfied.
i.e. Mallkav that decided to block the longest of psteinx because he was thinking it was fun to block a top multi player. He didn't gain anything by doing it, and decided who had to win the game. Oh yeah, then psteinx failed to reach number 1 overall with that move".)


Later on, Knock kept trying to block Kostas. I could have played 2 blues St Louis-KC..but i didn't - wasn't a valuable option for the win - : that let kostas alive. Neither Elka did by the way, and that was on her way.
(For an optimal reading of the 5er screenshot: Around Atlanta, he started to find a detour for his tix... Then I followed him to block Elka. I didn't try to block him there)

I didn't chose who had to win that game, I choose to win myself that game.

You can't wait the last game to react, that's too late.

Anyway, Grats Knock. You showed incredible mental skills in all the tourneys you've played so far (final in fun, win in MC, good wins in NC).

[Updated on: Thu, 24 February 2011 15:47]

      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 17:45
wowwwwwwww!!!! i wrote 2 lines and you answered 100 lines!!!! chill out sysy!! i didn't mean something bad for you or for anyone else! it was just too funny for me your sentence : "...so i decided to kill them all." that was the reason i wrote to the forum. and about blocking, it's a part of the game!if it wasn't moral, it wouldn't allowed from ttr. i didn't blame you for this, neither for trying make knock win!! calm down!! anyway,grats for your games! the last pic is amazing!
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 17:48
Well, the whole last game, kostas was meaning that epo and i were playing for knock...

As Kostas is yes answering in the forum sometimes with YOUR account,( why not play ? )thought that a point had to be made.

And I'm very calm...was not me the whiner during last game Wink

[Updated on: Thu, 24 February 2011 20:09]

      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 18:25
bonsoir.

bravo a toi

KnocKando


et l'image du bloc
mais bon si on aime les scooters

je retire ce que je viens de noter
joli bloc Sysyphus contre KnocKando

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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 18:49
lol!!!!! kostas doesn't play from my account sysy! as we are a couple, we used to sit together to pc and play TOGETHER from his account! and that day that kostas wrote from my account to the forum, i was playing from his pc alone and after that he took the pc and thought it was his account! that's all! if you mean that my score is kostas' creature, you are wrong!he just learns me how to play!and i m not so stupid to believe that nobody will understand if kostas play from my account! you took the game too much personally i think!
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Thu, 24 February 2011 23:24
Excuse me to come and say one or two words to anastasia.

When you say ...
anastasiaaa écrit le Thu, 24 February 2011 17:45

i didn't mean something bad for you


it's hard to believe you, because when you previously wrote ...
anastasiaaa écrit le Thu, 24 February 2011 14:34

you were trying the best for knock!

you let others think that Sysy concluded a deal to help Knock winning... that is like cheating ! So, YES, it's something bad to say (undirectly) that a player is a cheater... when it's said lightly like that, and without proofs ! So, you should now understand why Sysy could take this personally !


Anyway, anyway...

I'm not a very good multi-player, but I know that this Tournament is very tough... so CONGRATULATIONS to the 5 players that reached the Finals !

And of course, BRAVO KNOCK ! ... Good hands, Good job, mon garçon Very Happy Wink
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Fri, 25 February 2011 10:43
anastasiaaa wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 14:34

lol sysy!! you decided to kill them all? what are you? the punisher?? it was the final game, so everybody tried the best for himself,except you! you were trying the best for knock! he was good eitherway!
so, grats to knock!



Well, I certainly learned a lot, reading this thread. Good use of punctuation marks if nothing else.

Just wanted to support Sysyphus' statement that it's sh*t pathetic to block in multi's without gaining any advantage for oneself. Unfortunately those who do this tend not to be reached with reason and feel all smuck for blocking a top multi or in my case a top Europe player.

Maybe it's a good idea for all you multi psycho's to write a code of ethics before you start such a tourney. What kind of blocking do you think is ok ? Is it ok to talk in the lobby or during the game about joint blocking ? Because someone is ahead in the game or the overall standings ?

Anyway, grats to Knockando for stealing Sysyphus' and Kostas' big bone !
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Sun, 27 February 2011 11:36
Thanks all players of this MPWC.

I really loved playing this tournament, from first game to ... penulimate one !
I played well all the final games... except this one.
I think it was my worst multi game since ... a long long long time Embarassed
First : I didn't see that EPO could still win the tournament by winning this game, with me 5th. So I didn't play in thinking there were 2 players interested to block me instead of only one (Kostas). So, EPO and Kostas blocked me Evil or Very Mad because I played in the wrong order, trying stupidly to fight for the longest instead of connecting my tixs.
Second : when blocked, I drew new tixs without thinking enough : it wasn't possible for me to win the game, the good strategy to win the MPWC was only to block Kostas and EPO. I began to block Kostas, but I stopped I don't know why (mentally tired, after hard fights in previous games...) and tried to draw good colors for my 3rd ticket.
I finally almost only been a spectator of this game after being blocked, and I really don't like that ! And fortunately for me the tactic of Sysyphus helped me (and the last move of EPO : without it, Kostas would have been 2d of this game and me last : I didn't find the tie-breaking rules for MPWC...)
I tell it again : grats all, and I look forward to next year to start new edition if this tournament !
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Sun, 27 February 2011 15:25
GRATS Kockando, very well done!

This discussion is interesting:
Truckerteller schrieb am Fri, 25 February 2011 10:43

... it's sh*t pathetic to block in multi's without gaining any advantage for oneself.

I guess everyone agrees so far.

Problem being ... are you supposed/obliged to know whether the block can be to your advantage or not?
Knowing for sure that you cannot gain and therefore shouldn't meddle around requires that you counted your and your opp's probable and possible scores and of course that you know all the ticks (in EU I think most people don't) to be able to count correctly.

As for me, I would probably count correctly in a tournament final, but in casual multi games I normally don't.
As a consequence it may well happen that I play a block that turns out to have no effect on my own placement in the end.
I wouldn't want to be "morally obliged" to avoid that ... simply too strenuous.
And I think we cannot expect it from all players, because some couldn't count everything perfectly even if they wanted to (e.g. I know a lot of very good EU players who would not be able to name all the small tickets).

Anyhow, here's a recent example where I'd like to know what everyone considers the correct behaviour:
4er EU with psteinx, Sysy, BlackIsBack and me.
Towards end of the game BiB and I share longest.
Suppose BiB knows / has counted everything, he can tell that he will win and currently I would be 2nd.
psteinx could end the game at his turn but doesn't, thereby giving BiB the chance to pick up 2 open orange which would give him longest alone - which would make me end up 4th instead of 2nd.
Should he value psteinx' good move or simply ignore it and collect his win quickly?
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Sun, 27 February 2011 16:19
first of all, many grats to knockando for his win to the finals!
but i believe that all 5 players could be the winners if we had more luck by our side. At this level, all 5 could be winners and propably many of those who couldn't get into the finals (me and sysy passed first round as best of 3rds).
the basic point of this tournament is if it is moral for a player who can't take the first place (i talk only about the last game of the finals) to block the players who they have the chance to win. in our case, sysy influenced the final result. if i were him, i wouldn't do that for moral reasons even if i want to take 2nd place. i m not sure if the way i think is correct and it would be good for all to know the opinion from all multi players so we can have common moral rules for next league.
nevertheless, many grats to knockando again, he was better than us at the most of the games of the finals and i am sure that his win was fair.
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Sun, 27 February 2011 16:36
About a code of ethics in a multi tourney :

I, personnally, always play for the win, in a tourney or in a regular, even if it requires major risks.

In that kind of tourney, in a final mode, I expect everybody to play for the win. There's no point to play for 3rd or 4th, since only the winner is rewarded. In Gof, there's an unspoken agreement among top players to play for the win. As it doesn't exist yet, i thought it was quite needed to remind all other players about that despite the clear inefficiency.
If after 2 games/4 games, the race for the win is almost over because one had better tix or colours at some point, and nothing is done to fight against the computer's deal, I'd have less pleasure to play that kind of tourney.

I heard a top player in semi-finals = "let's play all the games, we have time to count later"... I think that players have to be aware of the standings and then plan what is needed to do to go for the win.
Another top player : "I don't block, because i don't like it even if it'd have helped me badly".

Knockando and I were the only ones checking the standings between the games on tikipedia. And it requires quick thinking and multitasking considering the fast chain of games, when it should stated clearly in the lobby.


All that lead to a real frustration, cause i expect top players, in a tourney at least, to take into account all the factors in order to win.


Which can be all those factors that may influence my way of playing ?

* the knowledge of the players who are part of the games
(ex : psteinx - that i love to play with, cause he has all those parameters in mind -. He likes taking 6ers with small tix and end fast, or in a 5er, he's quite likely to follow me in a block. Ommie -that should play more often cause she's hiding her skills, is quite likely playing the same way as psteinx cause she learnt to play by watching him. Kostas, when trying to find, would die like me to take 4 blue in CHicago, cause he learnt by watching my games..And those 2 players are not just pale imitations but players that built their own strong way of playing)

*the order of play : (psteinx played his van mon in a very different way yesterday cause i was just behind him, and very likely to start a block)

*knowledge of the tix. I wouldn't figure an efficient game without knowing all the tix.

*counting the cards in the deck (especially in Europe, with the free tunnel).

*thinking of the cards sent back in the deck and checking the size of the deck.


I am quite in a hurry, so my list is not exhaustive, but those are the main features I could think of.

About the standard level of top multis lately

Since i've been part of the community, the standard level of a good multi player was set 1500+.
Now, I'd strongly recommend to open 1550 or even 1600+.
Might be seen as arrogance, but to me there's a difference between playing a multi with good multi-players, and top multi-players.
Yesterday, blubes opened 16+, and we had a bunch of high-quality games and everybody around the table agreed.

Yes sometimes a top multi-player can be lower than 16+. Then it's up to the knowledge that one has of the player, to let him play or not.
Too many players have been granting themselves the right to enter games when they don't have the level required. (ex: 1510 when asked 1550).




About yesterday's game

I have my opinion on it but it's probably better to keep it silent at the moment Wink.

[Updated on: Sun, 27 February 2011 16:41]

      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Sun, 27 February 2011 17:12
I hate blockers. Shame on you, Sysy! Rolling Eyes Laughing
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Mon, 28 February 2011 00:16
kostasss écrit le Sun, 27 February 2011 16:19


the basic point of this tournament is if it is moral for a player who can't take the first place (i talk only about the last game of the finals) to block the players who they have the chance to win. in our case, sysy influenced the final result. if i were him, i wouldn't do that for moral reasons even if i want to take 2nd place. i m not sure if the way i think is correct and it would be good for all to know the opinion from all multi players so we can have common moral rules for next league.



Then a player should be a bot from the moment he doesn't have a chance to win the tourney.

Nobody tried to limit the chase of Knockando in the previous games. And i repeat : if i hadn't designed any chance of winning that game by blocking, i'd not have done it.
And last block (the real killer one) was made by EPO, not me, that still had a chance...
      
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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Mon, 28 February 2011 01:47
Again we who went out in lower levels add to: GRATS Knock!

But now on to the discussion of how to play the last game in a tournament when you cannot be first:
A. Was this game rated? Who does not want to win when it is a rated game? Rolling Eyes And since when is coming in 2nd a bad thing?

B. What makes last games more meaningful than first ones? I know in our lower group (first round), people seemed to take out the higher rated players in the early games. Or maybe I should say, higher rated players seemed more worried about the other higher rated players in early rounds with blocks and such in those games, which created a scramble at the end of our games with any of 5 able to advance.

C. And finally, I know I often play multi games when, after seeing my tickets, I play to "not come in last". Shocked Shocked Shocked Yes, when tickets are bad, there is a lot of work that goes into finishing in 3rd place. Too often more work than finishing first with those great tickets.

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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Mon, 28 February 2011 11:27
DD-dea1 wrote on Sun, 27 February 2011 15:25

GRATS Kockando, very well done!

This discussion is interesting:
Truckerteller schrieb am Fri, 25 February 2011 10:43

... it's sh*t pathetic to block in multi's without gaining any advantage for oneself.

I guess everyone agrees so far.

Problem being ... are you supposed/obliged to know whether the block can be to your advantage or not?
Knowing for sure that you cannot gain and therefore shouldn't meddle around requires that you counted your and your opp's probable and possible scores and of course that you know all the ticks (in EU I think most people don't) to be able to count correctly.

As for me, I would probably count correctly in a tournament final, but in casual multi games I normally don't.
As a consequence it may well happen that I play a block that turns out to have no effect on my own placement in the end.
I wouldn't want to be "morally obliged" to avoid that ... simply too strenuous.
And I think we cannot expect it from all players, because some couldn't count everything perfectly even if they wanted to (e.g. I know a lot of very good EU players who would not be able to name all the small tickets).

Anyhow, here's a recent example where I'd like to know what everyone considers the correct behaviour:
4er EU with psteinx, Sysy, BlackIsBack and me.
Towards end of the game BiB and I share longest.
Suppose BiB knows / has counted everything, he can tell that he will win and currently I would be 2nd.
psteinx could end the game at his turn but doesn't, thereby giving BiB the chance to pick up 2 open orange which would give him longest alone - which would make me end up 4th instead of 2nd.
Should he value psteinx' good move or simply ignore it and collect his win quickly?



I guess multi-ethics are an extremely subjective topic, especially when you add the extra dimension of a tournament and its standings. Everyone can have his/her own ideas when situations and actions become dodgy and what may simply be considered good gameplay.

Some questions/situations and my personal take on them.

1. Blocking open big routes for the sake of track points and added benefit of being in other peoples way.
No issues with that whatsoever

2. Blocking smaller routes (thereby not maximizing your own trackpoints) for the sake of gaining in the standings (i.e. moving from 3rd to 2nd in your perceived end-result.
No issues with that whatsoever

3. Blocking to influence the outcome of the game, without influencing your own points or rank. e.g. I can chose where to put my last four, though I will always be 3rd in the game.
In a tournament game I would fully expect to see this happen to one's biggest competitor. In dea's example it's completely in the middle, what to do or what not to do. If you're first anyway and you can decide the fate of the nrs 2,3 and 4, well, you can do whatever you want I think. If you want to reward someone for making a good last move, grasping his only chance, that's fine by me. In dea's example I would simply finish the game a.s.a.p., share longest and prevent anybody from an extra chance of fiending. But I didn't see the game, so I'm not sure about the nuances.

4. Blocking the perceived best opponent early in the game to increase your own perceived chances of winning.
Risky strategy, but if I'm playing a multi with Sysy and two 1400 players, I would certainly keep a stronger eye on what Sysyphus is doing and alter my strategy a bit to be in his way most early on. It's a risky strategy, but valid i.m.o.

5. Blocking to be a schmuck a$$, when you're already behind and you want to show your fellow multi players how you can block a good multi or Europe player.
As mentioned earlier. Pathetic behaviour.

6. Blocking someone, thereby hurting yourself a bit, but if one of the next two players joins you, the end-result is favourable.
Not my cup of tea, but it comes with the game I guess. If you play dozens of games with the same people like this (I play mostly Euro multi's, where this is much less prevalent) and everyone knows what to expect, than it's more than fine.

7. Building a station with no purpose, only to give the next player the possibility to double station and thereby both moving ahead of the affected player.
More of a no-go to me than (6), as it actually costs you points to do this.

8. Talking about jointly blocking someone.
This is a no go for me.

9. Blocking someone from the start because he/she is ahead in the tournament standings.
Not done in my book. If all 5 players behave like that, you can just eliminate the first n-1 games and only play the last game, because everybody is constantly pulling everybody back to the average.

10. Blocking one player from the start with the goal of reaching 3rd in stead of 4th position. I.e. I have crappy tix, and I single out the player most likely to have somewhat crappy tix as well.
Not done in my book.

In reality, some situations may be a lot more quirky. Someone may believe that his/her block has increased his/her chances, whereas I may simply find it stupid and annoying. And we do not see all cards, all tix and know all the odds.

In the end, when you play a multi (or certainly a multi tournament), you shouldn't be surprised that things like (6) (7) and (9) happen.

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Re:Multiplayers Winter Championship. Second Edition. Groups and Rules Mon, 28 February 2011 19:37
DD-dea1 wrote on Sun, 27 February 2011 15:25

GRATS Kockando, very well done!



Anyhow, here's a recent example where I'd like to know what everyone considers the correct behaviour:
4er EU with psteinx, Sysy, BlackIsBack and me.
Towards end of the game BiB and I share longest.
Suppose BiB knows / has counted everything, he can tell that he will win and currently I would be 2nd.
psteinx could end the game at his turn but doesn't, thereby giving BiB the chance to pick up 2 open orange which would give him longest alone - which would make me end up 4th instead of 2nd.
Should he value psteinx' good move or simply ignore it and collect his win quickly?



See Trucks' point .3. I'd personally end no matter what and I'd have done the same move as psteinx.
Disturbing mentally a player by your moves, the way you play is perfectly fine by me.
I'd have blamed Bib for not having ended, but congratulated phil for his move.


Truckerteller écrit le Mon, 28 February 2011 11:27




1., 2., 3., 4., 5.




100% agreed.

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6. Blocking someone, thereby hurting yourself a bit, but if one of the next two players joins you, the end-result is favourable.



Would expect that from any player who consider himself as a top player if the move is clearly valuable.

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7. Building a station with no purpose, only to give the next player the possibility to double station and thereby both moving ahead of the affected player.



I'd do it, if the player in the lead ends very fast, and kills all the other players (3er or 4er most likely).

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8. Talking about jointly blocking someone.


No, but i expect opponents to block when he's in the need.

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9. Blocking someone from the start because he/she is ahead in the tournament standings.



Not from the start. But once again, I'd expect opponents to block, end fast or prevent the N°1 in standings from completing his tix, or drawing one more time.

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10. Blocking one player from the start with the goal of reaching 3rd in stead of 4th position. I.e. I have crappy tix, and I single out the player most likely to have somewhat crappy tix as well.



Crappy tix or obvious ones like Miami or Van Mon in a 5er.

If i'm 1750 and i'm playing with 1550, i have Mon Atl, CHi No, i have no pb doing it. I'm 1550, i'd be more offensive and go for a draw.

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