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ZakDrizzt
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Are Lost Tribes considered in decline?
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Mon, 22 November 2010 09:49
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This question has arisen a number of times in our Game Group especially concerning the Goblin's power of conquering In Decline lands for 1 less token. We had pretty much accepted that they are not In Decline and that Goblins must pay full price.
The query has come up again because of a sentence in the rulebook of Necromancer Island. The first sentence under Other Rules says:
Other players always consider Ghosts as In Decline (like Lost Tribes); so they cannot strike a diplomatic pact with them, etc.
The comment in question is the bit in brackets. (Like Lost Tribes). So are Lost Tribes In Decline or not? Any thoughts?
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rasmussen81
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Re:Are Lost Tribes considered in decline?
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Mon, 22 November 2010 09:56
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| ZakDrizzt wrote on Mon, 22 November 2010 12:49 |
This question has arisen a number of times in our Game Group especially concerning the Goblin's power of conquering In Decline lands for 1 less token. We had pretty much accepted that they are not In Decline and that Goblins must pay full price.
The query has come up again because of a sentence in the rulebook of Necromancer Island. The first sentence under Other Rules says:
Other players always consider Ghosts as In Decline (like Lost Tribes); so they cannot strike a diplomatic pact with them, etc.
The comment in question is the bit in brackets. (Like Lost Tribes). So are Lost Tribes In Decline or not? Any thoughts?
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It sounds like they are. They are the lost tribes, after all, and it makes sense that they're in decline since they are 'on their way out'. 
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boardgamejosh
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Re:Are Lost Tribes considered in decline?
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Tue, 23 November 2010 22:04
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From the Necromancer Rules that you quoted, I would say that they are.
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Senseless
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Tue, 23 November 2010 23:28
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If I recall correctly Gobbos have their bonus when attacking 'in decline regions'; Lost Tribes are indeed in decline, as are their regions, but they are not a race, and thus don't count for Historian.
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Robin
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Re:Are Lost Tribes considered in decline?
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Fri, 26 November 2010 09:38
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They definitely are in decline : all races in decline have a small broken pillar icon on the token.
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jjj5543
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Re:Are Lost Tribes considered in decline?
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Wed, 22 December 2010 07:38
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I don't really see how it matters. I don't have necromancer island, so i don't know how the rules change, if they change, but no one receives coins for them and there is no payment that i know of so it is kind of a pointless query.
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Senseless
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Re:Are Lost Tribes considered in decline?
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Wed, 22 December 2010 09:54
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| jjj5543 wrote on Wed, 22 December 2010 07:38 |
I don't really see how it matters. I don't have necromancer island, so i don't know how the rules change, if they change, but no one receives coins for them and there is no payment that i know of so it is kind of a pointless query.
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Historian Goblins care.
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ccthiel
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eric
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Sat, 05 March 2011 03:02
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All lost tribes are considered In Decline. They count as a single In Decline race (for Historian scoring purposes, for instance).
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DannyMack
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Wed, 23 March 2011 21:22
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I had to jump in on this one...
I sense a conflict in terms and want to make sure that a previous clarification about the Historian special power doesn't get overturned when people see this thread. Eric, you seem to be saying that Lost Tribes don't count for the Historian, here:
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they are not a race, and thus don't count for Historian.
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But here you seem to be saying that they do give the Historian a coin (which is what the previous clarifications have established):
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All lost tribes are considered In Decline. They count as a single In Decline race (for Historian scoring purposes, for instance).
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I see that you are sticking with the terminology on page 8 of the manual: "Lost Tribe or Race token." Others may not see it that way. Technically speaking the Lost Tribes are all-of-a-kind, but not a race (since they have no race badge.)
In either case, it was well-said by Robin that the broken pillar symbol is what should tip you off to the status of the Lost Tribes. THAT IS the in-decline symbol. I've also seen it pointed out on the forums that the Lost Tribes have the gray border that signifies a race is in decline.
In response to JJJ5543 I disagree. Your assumption that the rules somehow are changed in the Necromancer Island expansion is a wrong assumption. I believe the OP was simply stating that his reading of the Necromancer rules re-opened the discussion for his group over whether the Lost Tribes were in decline after all? (Therefore, it sounds like you may want to double-check YOUR interpretation as well.)
At this point, I think it's clear that:
1) Lost Tribes are treated the same as in-decline race tokens for purposes of conquest.
2) Lost Tribes--while not technically a race--DO count for the Historian's bonus.
3) The Lost Tribes are a sort of precedent for how the Necromancer's Ghost tokens should be treated (if you have that expansion.)
Hope this organization of the facts is a boon to the thread. Thanks Eric, as always, for taking time to keep us all running in the right direction.
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Senseless
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Re:Are Lost Tribes considered in decline?
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Mon, 11 April 2011 21:43
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@DannyMack, your quote about the lost tribes not being a race is mine, not Eric's. I really should change my avatar to avoid confusion 
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DannyMack
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