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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Tue, 22 March 2011 20:11
LooneyLlama wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 11:50

Ras, did you break my Enigma Machine? Do you have MI5 working for you? I guess now I won't be able to sneak up on you. I'll just have to use my superior weaponry to prevail.

Anyway, I thought the format was terrific, though I have never participated in any other tournaments. I obviously played to win each scenario but if you know you're going to lose one, I just didn't give up when a medal or two could be important. It made the games interesting until the end. In the future, I think I would like this format better than just wins, but I would enthusiastically play either way.

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At the annual World Boardgaming Championships the tournament format for M44, Battle Cry and Battlelore is that each player must play the scenario from *both* sides. If both players win one side each the winner is determined by the most total medals won for the two games. If the medal totals are even the win goes to the player with the most number of pieces taken. The winning player then advances to the next round and the loser is out of the tourney. I'm not crazy about that format for us because it's single elimination. It's better the way we do it because there are more games played per player. I just wanted to tell you how a typical M44 tournament works because you haven't played in one.

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Wed, 23 March 2011 01:51
Gunhawk, Thanks for the info. I live in Pennsylvania and I found out from Sam1812 that there is a boardgame tourny in Pa. I may have to arrange to go to it. Anyway, we could have a tourny online where we play two games like at the annual championship. We could seed each player according to their online score. The highest seeded player would play the lowest at the time of the tournament. Next highest plays next lowest etc. It could be single or double elimination. You could set up the brackets accordingly. Heck, you could do it like March Madness and have regional playoffs according to time zones. Then we could have a WORLD CHAMPION!!! Wait a second, I think I'm still delirious from Pitt's ouster last weekend. Never mind.

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Wed, 23 March 2011 02:39
Eric

What part of PA do you live in? I'm in western NJ about 15 minutes from Easton Pa. Is the tournament sam1812 told you about the World Boardgaming Championships in Lancaster PA.? That's August 1st through August 7th and just about every popular boardgame, both wargames and family games, is played. Plaques are given to winners and runners up. There are over a hundred games on the list. Commands & Colors Ancients, which is another Richard Borg game, but from GMT, is also played. I haven't gone the last three years, but I might try to make it this year. I'd play in M44 and Battle Cry at the very least.

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Wed, 23 March 2011 04:10
Hi, Ed --

Yes, Eric is talking about WBC, which will be held the first week of August in Lancaster, PA.

The Memoir tournament will be Thursday night (Mulligan round) and Friday. We'll be playing two-game matches.

There are pros and cons to all of the tournament formats. As you point out, a problem with single elimination formats is that you can get knocked out in the first round. That's why we have the Mulligan round the night before -- so anyone can have two chances to advance. In fact, about half of the Mulligan losers do come back in the morning.

At the same time, because WBC has so many tournaments going on all day, many players lose early and then just move on to another event. (Last year, one player who advanced quite far in our tournament was actually hoping to play a different game in the afternoon, but he kept winning his Memoir matches!)

So, bottom line, nothing's perfect, but in the context of WBC, we've had good results with the current format.

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Wed, 23 March 2011 04:18
Sam

Are you a GM for M44? I think that the last time that I played Richard Borg was one of the GM's. He's a good guy. I also see him when I play at Hurricon and Recon in Florida where I have my condo. I have plenty of free time because i'm retired. Don't let the photo of me fool you. That was taken 45 years ago. LOL

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Wed, 23 March 2011 12:36
Yes, indeed.

By the way, great photo, Ed.
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Wed, 23 March 2011 14:32
I should have never left PA or NJ, it seems like everyone is up there now.

If I may make a tournament suggestion... I run tournaments for another game called Dungeon Twister. It's played using Swiss rounds. I don't see why that wouldn't work for M'44.

Basically, you pair everyone up randomly to start. After each round, you make the standings. For M'44 the standings would probably figured out by 1. wins and losses, 2. medal differential, 3. total medals won, 4. figure differential or something like that.

After you make the standings, 1 plays 2, 3 plays 4, etc...

So everyone would play the scenarios from both sides.

This would be more like regular M'44 play, but noone would be eliminated early. You could finish with 1v2 playing in a championship after a specified number of rounds.

Just to be clear, I also like the format we used for this tournament, but I would prefer if wins were the first criteria -- not medals.

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Wed, 23 March 2011 14:52
>>By the way, great photo, Ed.<<

Thanks. (-:
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Wed, 23 March 2011 20:55
Gunhawk, I'm in western Pa.(Pittsburgh). The tournament in Lancaster sounds very inviting. I've only played MEM44 and Battlecry. I haven't played any other Richard Borg game. The only problem is that it's a long drive for a couple of games of MEM44. If a lot of other people go and play some after hour games it may be worthwhile.

By the way, you're around my age bracket. I cut my teeth on Tactics2 from Avalon Hill. I have a lot of war board games that my boys have no interest in playing. One of my favorites that I played with a neighbor before I moved was Axis and Allies with advanced rules from a group of testers in the Midwest. It took forever to play and I used to get home at 3 or 4 in the morning. I guess it was better than going to the bars. When we had our first child those all nighters diminished greatly.

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Thu, 24 March 2011 01:40
Eric

If the WBC schedule is running true to form there will be a Commands & Colors - Ancients tournament on Thursday, an M44 tournament on Friday and a Battle Cry Tournament on Saturday. All starting at 9 AM and running into the evening. There is also a "Mulligan" round for M44 on Thursday night. If you win the round you get to sleep late and come in for the 2nd round of M44 on Friday morning. There is an "open gaming" room for those that are either between tourneys or just want to play games and not compete. I think that it might be open all night. The guys that I game with, Jersey Area Gamers (JAG), spend more time open gaming than competing. They just see it is an opportunity to game, game and game. (-: There is also an auction, but if I remember correctly it's earlier in the week, and it's a very big auction with lots of games numbering from one at a time to "lots" of ten or more, ranging from common to OOP and highly sought after. The vendors rooms are fairly large with many games to buy. I stopped going because I had been to the WBC many many times going back to when it was called Avalon Con and located in Maryland. I was getting that "been there-done that" feeling and just stopped, but if my packed schedule (LOL) permits I might go against this year.

The WBC schedule isn't out yet, so I can't link you to it, but here's a link to the WBC home page:

http://www.boardgamers.org/

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Thu, 24 March 2011 02:34
Eric/Ed --

I think I'll move this discussion over to the WBC thread on the regular Memoir Forum, http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=21636&start=0

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Thu, 24 March 2011 06:17
You get to choose whether to go to conventions or not and all I get is earthquakes - life just isn't fair.

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Thu, 24 March 2011 12:27
I know a lot of people here in metro New York who would love to live on an island in the South Pacific.
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Fri, 25 March 2011 01:53
LooneyLlama wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 08:50


Anyway, I thought the format was terrific, though I have never participated in any other tournaments. I obviously played to win each scenario but if you know you're going to lose one, I just didn't give up when a medal or two could be important. It made the games interesting until the end. In the future, I think I would like this format better than just wins, but I would enthusiastically play either way.
Eric


Before the thread gets stale I thought I'd add my two cents and echo Eric's comments. Additionally, I think playing for medals can be a little more accessible for novice or less experienced players. I'm sure I was by far the greenest player in the tournament, and I pretty much knew that would be the case when I signed up. If the tourney had been strictly win-loss, I may have been too intimidated to join, figuring on skill alone I could maybe win 1 or 2 matches (which happened). Under a medal system, I felt that if I could at least overperform in my losses I could stay competitive to the end (also happened) and with some luck, I could win (sadly did not happen). Personally even under win-loss I wouldn't have gotten too discouraged because I had a good run right from the beginning until a disastrous final round, but it's easy to see how a bad early run can sap the fighting spirit out of any competitor, especially a less experienced one. In the end, this was a real confidence-booster for me and a lot of fun.

Also, someone else noted that the single-match system also helped with scheduling and getting the games in. Switching sides is clearly the most comprehensive tourney method but it does require an investment of time. Perhaps this is a good starting point for a kind of "light" tourney style to try again in the future.
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Fri, 25 March 2011 11:34
Thanks for your reflections Garrett,

I think the point you raise about accessibility is an important one, and coupled with a format that only requires you to play a 20-30 minute game at a time I think it's a good 'online' tourney system which Im more than happy to repeat after Easter ... maybe we'll get more players next time and really see the bullets (or medals) flying!

I know Morgiliath is cooking up a real monster of an idea too, which sounds extremely interesting Smile so watch the boards for further info ... over to you Andy ! Wink
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Sat, 26 March 2011 12:12
Thanks Smile just a little more patience, and we are all awaiting the final match Smile all ready, lads?
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Sat, 26 March 2011 12:51
Morgiliath wrote on Sat, 26 March 2011 15:12

Thanks Smile just a little more patience, and we are all awaiting the final match Smile all ready, lads?


Just a little more patience... Razz with our busy schedules (me with report cards due, Eric with a conference) we'll play the final battle as soon as we have time! Smile
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Mon, 28 March 2011 05:02
I just got promoted to Major after winning with the Allies at PDH, so maybe we'll all be majors in the next tournament. (-:

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Mon, 28 March 2011 11:21
Any news on the final game ?

Is it in the diary yet? lol Wink

(Maybe I should threaten to award the final to the group runners up ?) Wink



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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Mon, 28 March 2011 12:44
Jaykay2010 wrote on Mon, 28 March 2011 13:21

Any news on the final game ?

Is it in the diary yet? lol Wink

(Maybe I should threaten to award the final to the group runners up ?) Wink

Very Happy Jim


You can't rush perfection... Laughing

We both had busy weeks last week but I'm hoping we'll get the battles in this week. We'll let everyone know the result after it's all over! Cool
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Mon, 28 March 2011 15:49
gunhawk wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 23:02

I just got promoted to Major after winning with the Allies at PDH, so maybe we'll all be majors in the next tournament. (-:

Ed


Congratulations Ed!

I'm eagerly anticipating the next competition...

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Tue, 29 March 2011 03:46
gheintze wrote on Mon, 28 March 2011 09:49

gunhawk wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 23:02

I just got promoted to Major after winning with the Allies at PDH, so maybe we'll all be majors in the next tournament. (-:

Ed


Congratulations Ed!

Geoff


Thanks Geoff. (-:
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Fri, 01 April 2011 18:53
Well gentlemen, the final battle is over and I am the lucky victor with a final medal count of 9 medals to 7 after two rounds of Into the Cauldron. Below are some stats and a quick write-up of the action. Thanks for the fun tournament, Jim and the great final battle, Eric! Smile


FINAL BATTLE

Into The Cauldron Round 1
Rasmussen (Axis) 6 - LooneyLlama (Allies) 1

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff72/rasmussen81/World%20War%20II%20Pictures/Screenshot2011-04-01at62243PM.png

I was able to find a supply route through the mines early in the game and then managed to wipe out most of the Left Flank before getting the last medals in the center.


Into The Cauldron Round 2
Rasmussen (Allies) 3 - LooneyLlama (Axis) 6

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff72/rasmussen81/World%20War%20II%20Pictures/Screenshot2011-04-01at63827PM.png

Because I was able to win the first battle and only gave up 1 medal, I had an easy job for the switch. We each gained an early medal but Eric was able to weaken several of my units. With the cards I had, I began to wonder if I could get the second medal I needed to win the tournament. Then Eric suffered from one of the worst luck moves I've ever seen. He moved a full-health Infantry unit onto a mine hex and it turned out to be a 4-strength mine token...which rolled to get 3 Infantry symbols and 1 Grenade! I had won the tournament without having to fire another shot. Shocked

In the next turn I went ahead and charged into the center with all of my tanks and gained another medal but Eric had a good counter attack in the center and I was unable to eliminate another unit before he finished me off.

Again, thank you to everyone in the tournament and thank you for a very fun experience. Good luck in all your future battles and continue to have fun! Cool

[Updated on: Fri, 01 April 2011 19:29]

      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Fri, 01 April 2011 19:24
Congratulations to Jesse on his victory. However, he was playing 'Jim' and not me(Eric). I would like a rematch. Just kidding.

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Fri, 01 April 2011 19:32
LooneyLlama wrote on Fri, 01 April 2011 21:24

Congratulations to Jesse on his victory. However, he was playing 'Jim' and not me(Eric). I would like a rematch. Just kidding.

Eric


Shocked Shocked I'm so sorry Eric! Embarassed Embarassed There is no excuse... Confused

Well done in the tournament, Eric! Cool

PS - No rematch...I might lose next time. Razz
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Fri, 01 April 2011 19:53
Congrats Jesse!

See, the warm-up with me did wonders to you! And now we play on the same team in the Desert Fox Tournament, so what can I say.. I'll let the bard speak...

Look on our Team, ye Mighty, and despair!
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Sat, 02 April 2011 14:04
congrats indeed Jesse

may you run out of luck next time i play you Very Happy

thanks again Jim for organizing, I think we all had a wonderful time
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Sat, 02 April 2011 14:17
Congrats to both Jesse and Eric. You both came out ahead of some tough competition.

Jesse just came out somewhat farther ahead. Well done. Smile
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Sat, 02 April 2011 14:30
Congratulations Jesse!

See you on the desert Twisted Evil

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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Sat, 02 April 2011 17:56
Thanks everyone! Cool Now that I won, I have a big old target on my back... Razz Good times on the battle field. I look forward to playing everyone again!!

You were all gentlemen to play and you've all been added to my "Buddy" list, so if you see me online give me a holler and we'll play if I have time! Very Happy
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Tue, 05 April 2011 12:18
Great job guys! It was a fantastic tournament, and great to meet so many sporting players ... here's to the next one!
      
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Re:Axis vs Allies Tournament Mon, 11 April 2011 18:20
Congrats Jesse, and thanks everybody for a great tournament!

[Updated on: Mon, 11 April 2011 18:22]

      
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