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rasmussen81
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Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Fri, 18 March 2011 13:45
When Memoir '44 Online was first released for Open Beta and the pay-to-play system was explained, there was a minor fire-storm of complaints about the cost and the way DoW had decided to charge for their game.

After listening to the more level-headed complaints, DoW decided to change their cost system from a player-choice model to a set cost for each battle. I know there are still players out there who wish the game was free, but almost everyone recognizes all of the effort and time put into the product and most people are willing to pay-to-play.

I've played over 300 online battles since Closed Beta started and I've enjoyed myself immensely. I've seen other players who have 700+ battles and I even saw someone who had 900+ battles ( Shocked ) so it seems like people have had a chance to play the game for a while and figure out that they like it!

For those players who bought one of the GI Packs, how is the cost feeling these days? It seems to me that DoW found a great balance in their current system between making the profit they need to keep the game going, and still making it affordable to us players. What are other players thinking? Any more, I don't even pay attention to what the battles cost and I never think about saving my GI by avoiding certain maps.

Any thoughts people want to share now that we've had time to get used to the game and the pay structure? Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Fri, 18 March 2011 14:53
I haven't paid attention to the cost at all since buying the largest pack. I think I still have 1200 GIs or so -- looks like they will last me for awhile.

Still waiting for the next M'44 expansion to use my coupon though Smile

Geoff
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Fri, 18 March 2011 17:25
For shear entertainment value, I can not think of anything else I purchase that cost less per minute.

It is a great bargain that also allows me to meet and play folks from around the world.

PRICELESS!
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Sat, 19 March 2011 02:56
I'm almost finished my 1st major pack.

I consider this value for money as I play 3 - 10 battles a day, most days.

For me I have to add 1/3 to the price when converting from US$ to NZ$ and this still works out okay.

The discount coupon bought the last Ticket to Ride expansion for my family.
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Sat, 19 March 2011 14:40
I think this pricing makes tremendous sense.

Compared to things like movies, boardgames are incredible value for the money, and being able to play a great one online with people all around the world is both fun and a neat way to learn about the rest of the world.

The one thing I didn't expect was how much more Memoir I and others would be playing. I never would have expected so many people to be playing over 100 games per month.
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Sat, 19 March 2011 15:55
If you just figure what it costs you in TIME to set up a game, this is part of your TIME savings you get with the pre-setup of the online game

What is your TIME worth to you?
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Sun, 20 March 2011 03:39
I don't have a problem being charged to play per scenario .. especially as its a small price when you actually break it down. I must confess, I DO look at the cost of each scenario still, and find that if im playing a non-buddy player I will tend NOT to play a 3 ingot scenario.

I know the reason for the difference in costs for each scenario stem from their complexity/use of additional specialist troops etc, but I still feel uneasy that just because a scenario might have taken longer to design,it's going to cost more to play. It still doesn't sit well with me that it costs me slightly more to play some scenarios over other. Most Cd's i buy are regularly priced, and yet some bands i listen to could fill their album with 12 or 13 tracks, whilst others may only record 10, but the general price of a cd is the same.

I just think if all the scenarios cost the same amount, (why not make it 2.5 ingots across the board), then I wouldn't be less or more reticent to play certain scenarios over another.

Additionally, lets just run with the idea that rather than having two tier pricing per scenario (as it is at the moment), of 2 or 3 ingots, let's just call it 2.5 per scenario and be done with it. Now, as an incentive to encourage re-match games, I would introduce a 1 ingot discount for an immediate follow on match between 2 players who agreed at the 're-match' opportunity. ie the re-match game would cost 1.5 ingots.

I think by averaging out the cost of the scenarios (to 2.5 ingots) it would help people get over any reluctance to be paying more for certain scenarios, they would all cost the same. This way, DoW are still getting a fair return for their dvelopment costs, and a -1 ingot incentive to play a re-match would see a greater number of people being willing to play the same scenerio back to back. The idea of paying 6 ingots for two battles, is quite a dis-incentive in my opinion.

This way, any two-battle 're-match' would cost 2.5 + 1.5 = 4 ingots, whilst two seperate games would cost 2.5 + 2.5 = 5 ingots.

The -1 ingot incentive makes a slight loss for DoW (compared to playing two 3 ingot games back to back = 6 ingots), but I think for player satisfaction, this would create more re-matches, and that should be something DoW ought to consider, customer satisfaction IS really important.

Maybe DoW can see if many 3 ingot games are being played as re-matches, and compared to the 2 ingot games they may be seeing that just as many re-matches are happening, but, if there are fewer 3 ingot games being 're-matched' then I think this system would be a fairer way all round, and would prove more succesful in helping players choose their scenarios freely.


Jim

[Updated on: Sun, 20 March 2011 18:58]

      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Tue, 22 March 2011 08:12
I like the idea Jaykay very much;

I've never looked at the cost of a scenario, and I can only say that the 30 Euro I've paid is nothing compared to the fun I've had,
but it seems somewhat unfair to charge one scenario more than another;

as I'm not paying attention to the cost when inviting someone, I might end up alone Sad , because no one wants to play an expensive scenario;

making all prices equal would enhance every scenario to be played, which can only be good news for everyone I'd like to think?

The idea of a discount when playing a rematch -I think- is also a wonderful idea, encouraging people to play a rematch is a great thing, as it is somehow the way the game should be played, and I've seen on the forum a lot of players tend to get frustrated when their opponent is just running away, this could be just the solution for that

It's a guess, but I think this would even bring more money to the DoW-treasury, as more games would get to be played
And that would mean DoW can publish more of the good stuff,...
Hurraykes
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Tue, 22 March 2011 11:42
I agree with Jaykay's ideas to level the cost of each game to 2.5 (specially if some scenarios are less played or declined because they are more "expensive") and to encourage rematch by reducing the cost.

The coupon with the major pack is a great idea. I bought a major pack and got the Campaign book at a discount. For those who don't have it, it is a "must-buy". I got my M44 game out of the closet for the first time in years thanks to this book. Played the first Normandy campaign with my eldest son and we are set up for the next one.

DoW could maybe consider allowing us to use the coupon to buy a DoW game out of the M44 range, when we have all the extensions or when they are out of print.

All in all, great value for money, no doubt.
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Tue, 22 March 2011 11:48
Thanks Frankeytje,

Maybe the DoW folk will get to read this survey? I don't know if they will make any significant changes in the price structure, but yes, as you pointed out, essentially I think anything that can be done to make the game simpler, and more rewarding, will mean more people will become interested, and the more games they get through the quicker they will be replacing their ingots.

2.5 ingots per scenario, with a -1 saving for an immediate rematch would serve this aim well.


Smile


Jim
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Tue, 22 March 2011 14:20
tinsoldier wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 14:42

DoW could maybe consider allowing us to use the coupon to buy a DoW game out of the M44 range, when we have all the extensions or when they are out of print.


That's already in place! Smile You can use the $30 coupon that you get with the Major Pack to help you afford any Days of Wonder product you want!! Cool
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Tue, 22 March 2011 14:40
rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 08:20

tinsoldier wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 14:42

DoW could maybe consider allowing us to use the coupon to buy a DoW game out of the M44 range, when we have all the extensions or when they are out of print.


That's already in place! Smile You can use the $30 coupon that you get with the Major Pack to help you afford any Days of Wonder product you want!! Cool


Yep, i just bought Cargo Noir with the coupon. Fun game!
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Tue, 22 March 2011 14:46
Jaykay2010 wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 14:48

Maybe the DoW folk will get to read this survey?


I'm sure they're reading this thread, just like they probably read everything we post on here. Smile DoW is always good about hearing their fans and a big part of that 'listening' includes reading the forum. That's not saying they'll adopt the ideas presented here, but I'm sure they've seen them.

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I don't know if they will make any significant changes in the price structure, but yes, as you pointed out, essentially I think anything that can be done to make the game simpler, and more rewarding, will mean more people will become interested, and the more games they get through the quicker they will be replacing their ingots.

2.5 ingots per scenario, with a -1 saving for an immediate rematch would serve this aim well.

Smile

Jim


Like you said, I don't know if we'll see any change in the price structure but it's worth putting your ideas out there...

Thanks to everyone who weighed in with their thoughts about the cost of Memoir '44 Online. I have to admit that it's some of the best money I've spent in a very long time!! Very Happy

I'll see you on the battle field! Cool
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Thu, 31 March 2011 00:48
I would go for a standard 2 across all games. The argument about the extra work for special units/scenarios may be true, but after a while it has paid for itself.

The different costs just add an unneccesary complication.
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Tue, 05 April 2011 21:04
rasmussen81 wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 08:20

tinsoldier wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 14:42

DoW could maybe consider allowing us to use the coupon to buy a DoW game out of the M44 range, when we have all the extensions or when they are out of print.


That's already in place! Smile You can use the $30 coupon that you get with the Major Pack to help you afford any Days of Wonder product you want!! Cool



Can I use the $30 coupon on another product that I order along with the Major Pack or does that coupon come later?

Anybody know?

It would be nice if I could than I could use my standard 10% coupons then as well.

It is too bad DOW's shipping fees are so high for physical product.
      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Wed, 06 April 2011 02:40
You can use your 10% coupons to reduce the cost of the Major pack you'd like to purchase.

If you want to order some physical games using the coupon you will receive as a result of your purchase of a Major pack, order those separately. Note that the $ 30 coupon cannot be combined with other offers (eg with 10% discount coupons for instance).

      
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Re:Memoir '44 Online Cost Survey Wed, 06 April 2011 03:41
eric wrote on Tue, 05 April 2011 19:40

You can use your 10% coupons to reduce the cost of the Major pack you'd like to purchase.

If you want to order some physical games using the coupon you will receive as a result of your purchase of a Major pack, order those separately. Note that the $ 30 coupon cannot be combined with other offers (eg with 10% discount coupons for instance).




Very helpful info, thanks!
      
    
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