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tinsoldier
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Hermann vs Johnny
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Wed, 06 April 2011 18:35
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Took a look at their statistics:
Hermann: Memoir '44 (solo): Number of games: 13151 - Status: Established - Score: 1457 - Rank: 374
Johnny: Memoir '44 (solo): Number of games: 84176 - Status: Established - Score: 1554 - Rank: 193
I don't do a lot of games vs the robots, I prefer real players. Seems you guys prefer to play Johnny, but he performs better than Hermann: so I guess they are not programmed the same way.
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rasmussen81
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Wed, 06 April 2011 19:29
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| tinsoldier wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 20:35 |
Took a look at their statistics:
Hermann: Memoir '44 (solo): Number of games: 13151 - Status: Established - Score: 1457 - Rank: 374
Johnny: Memoir '44 (solo): Number of games: 84176 - Status: Established - Score: 1554 - Rank: 193
I don't do a lot of games vs the robots, I prefer real players. Seems you guys prefer to play Johnny, but he performs better than Hermann: so I guess they are not programmed the same way.
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Interesting observation and good data. I would seem that Johnny is a little better but he's also been around from the start...which is why he has so many more battles. Hermann was only added recently as an option. 
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rasmussen81
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Thu, 07 April 2011 05:04
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| tinsoldier wrote on Wed, 06 April 2011 20:35 |
I don't do a lot of games vs the robots, I prefer real players. Seems you guys prefer to play Johnny, but he performs better than Hermann: so I guess they are not programmed the same way.
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Last night (for me) while I was participating in the first Load Test session and playing Solo games, someone asked Yann if there was any difference between the two AI personalities.
He said that at this time their names are the only things that are different. They do not use different tactics or anything...yet.  So for now, it doesn't matter which character you choose to play against.
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ericvee
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Thu, 07 April 2011 17:43
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The guy who asked was me =P
And he also said it would very likely be that Hermann would be the 'experimental' AI later on
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rasmussen81
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Thu, 07 April 2011 19:55
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| ericvee wrote on Thu, 07 April 2011 19:43 |
And he also said it would very likely be that Hermann would be the 'experimental' AI later on
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Ah, I must have missed that detail. Thank you for the added information and for the timely question to Yann.
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Feare
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Mon, 11 April 2011 19:16
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Has anyone figured out the exact advantage given to AI players? It appears so far (looking at the numbers) to be a reduction in the amount of stars they roll, plus an advantage in cards. It may be scenario based, but on some of the more lopsided scenarios, its pretty obvious that they are being given certain cards as a base.
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stevens
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Feare
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Mon, 11 April 2011 20:16
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Good point, It's unfortunate that the dice percentages aren't stored in the history along with the cards drawn sequences...
Maybe I need to come up with a M44 notation like chess notation so i can store this info for real analysis.
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stevens
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Mon, 11 April 2011 22:14
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I wouldn't make a career of it, but you would need to have documentation of some sort.... that is if you really think that Johnny and Hermann have a significant unfair advantage.
There isn't a game I haven't beaten them in. And they do get silly sometimes and just start moving things around. The times when they are devastating is on the beach scenarios where they charge down off the hills in a German Banzai attack. However, if you are patient you will figure out a good defense for their craziness.
Cheers!
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Nygaard
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Thu, 14 April 2011 18:01
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It's a regularly returning subject here on the forums that the computer "cheats", but I'm with Stevens here. I don't know how many solo games I've played, but it's more than a hundred, and the AI seems to be getting pretty fair cards and rolls.
I also fail to see why the guys at DoW would let the AI cheat, instead of trying to program it to do as good as possible within the rules of the game.
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eric
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Re:Hermann vs Johnny
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Thu, 14 April 2011 23:14
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| shauza wrote on Mon, 11 April 2011 10:16 |
Has anyone figured out the exact advantage given to AI players? It appears so far (looking at the numbers) to be a reduction in the amount of stars they roll, plus an advantage in cards. It may be scenario based, but on some of the more lopsided scenarios, its pretty obvious that they are being given certain cards as a base.
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Sorry but this is a myth. The bots are not given any advantage over regular players. They just have the benefit of being able to analyze odds accurately, compute a lot, etc. But the algorithm used to roll their dice, etc... is exactly the same as for human players (for that matter the "dice roller" has no notion of humans vs AI).
eric
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