Five Tribes Five Tribes

Forums

Search
Forums » Memoir '44 Online - English » Expert mode issues
Show: Today's Posts 
  
AuthorTopic
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Expert mode issues Thu, 07 July 2011 09:05
Been playing through some of my scenarios to check out the new Expert mode. Loving it so far, but here are some issues I've encountered. Most of this is not bugs, just things that haven't been implemented.

- Armor placed in Bunkers shouldn't be allowed to move.

- Winter hills count as double movement for some reason.

- Landing crafts are shown, but don't move with the unit.
Idem with Cruiser

- Japanese Engineers are not allowed to remove wire if the opponent retreated.

- Should Japanese Engineers be able to ignore 1 flag as normal Japanese infantry? I'm not sure - will have to ask the rule-gurus.

- Mountains do not give any protection bonus, and Armor can drive over them as if they were clear ground.

More as I find it, and plz feel free to chime in.

[Updated on: Sun, 10 July 2011 14:30]

      
mescalito
Member
Basic Combat Training

User Pages
Posts: 87
Registered:
September 2010
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 07 July 2011 09:33
I noticed another potential issue. I was not able to access a new scenario in 'My Scenarios' section after I had saved it to 'DoW' area. I have two scenarios appear in My Scenarios so far.
      
Yann
-= Crew =-
KS Backer - Skeleton

User Pages
Posts: 2355
Registered:
October 2002
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 07 July 2011 10:48
Nygaard écrit le Thu, 07 July 2011 09:05

Been playing through some of my scenarios to check out the new Expert mode. Loving it so far, but here are some issues I've encountered. Most of this is not bugs, just things that haven't been implemented.

- Armor placed in Bunkers shouldn't be allowed to move.

- Winter hills count as double movement for some reason.

- Landing crafts are shown, but don't move with the unit.
Idem with Cruiser

More as I find it, and plz feel free to chime in.

Keep in mind that there are many items from the boardgame that won't work in the online game simply because they have not been implemented yet. Landing craft are among these, but you can say the same thing for all the Winter Wars things, the airplanes, the special vehicles, etc, etc.

Keep in mind that the Editor was originally designed for the board game. The board game is still far ahead of the online game - which also gives some perspective of what *might* come one day on the online game Wink

Here is a rule of thumb: if there is an official scenario that uses a terrain/unit/obstacle, etc., then there is a good chance that it will work in your scenario. And it's not even completely true, since several special global rules cannot be chosen in the Editor yet, as mentioned in the release notes - this will come in future releases of the Editor.

Happy scenario designs,

Yann
      
Yann
-= Crew =-
KS Backer - Skeleton

User Pages
Posts: 2355
Registered:
October 2002
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 07 July 2011 10:50
mescalito écrit le Thu, 07 July 2011 09:33

I noticed another potential issue. I was not able to access a new scenario in 'My Scenarios' section after I had saved it to 'DoW' area. I have two scenarios appear in My Scenarios so far.

If you were already in the online game, remember to go back to the Main Screen and go to the Headquarters. This will update the scenarios list on the two tabs.
      
mescalito
Member
Basic Combat Training

User Pages
Posts: 87
Registered:
September 2010
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 07 July 2011 12:45
Yann wrote on Thu, 07 July 2011 11:50

mescalito écrit le Thu, 07 July 2011 09:33

I noticed another potential issue. I was not able to access a new scenario in 'My Scenarios' section after I had saved it to 'DoW' area. I have two scenarios appear in My Scenarios so far.

If you were already in the online game, remember to go back to the Main Screen and go to the Headquarters. This will update the scenarios list on the two tabs.


Yes, I understand that. But that does not help even when I close and open the application.
      
mescalito
Member
Basic Combat Training

User Pages
Posts: 87
Registered:
September 2010
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 07 July 2011 13:03
I downloaded 1.1.2 version and my new scenarios still do not appear under 'My scenarios' section. For example scenario id = 8069 and id = 8058
      
Brice
-= Crew =-
Commandant

User Pages
Posts: 1917
Registered:
October 2002
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 07 July 2011 14:16
mescalito wrote on Thu, 07 July 2011 13:03

I downloaded 1.1.2 version and my new scenarios still do not appear under 'My scenarios' section. For example scenario id = 8069 and id = 8058


Make sure you're not using "scenario filters" (or that those are set so they should list your scenarios). It happens to me all the time to have a front highlighted and wondering why some scenarios are not showing.
      
mescalito
Member
Basic Combat Training

User Pages
Posts: 87
Registered:
September 2010
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 07 July 2011 14:32
Brice wrote on Thu, 07 July 2011 15:16

mescalito wrote on Thu, 07 July 2011 13:03

I downloaded 1.1.2 version and my new scenarios still do not appear under 'My scenarios' section. For example scenario id = 8069 and id = 8058


Make sure you're not using "scenario filters" (or that those are set so they should list your scenarios). It happens to me all the time to have a front highlighted and wondering why some scenarios are not showing.


Yes, that is exactly what happened to me. I already figured out the problem.
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Fri, 08 July 2011 07:56
We need a way to activate fordable streams - terrain 61 (and fordable rivers - terrain 41) in the Expert mode. I got tons of maps with fordable rivers, and I think they could be playable with fordable streams as well.
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Fri, 08 July 2011 22:13
Artillery can apparently RETREAT out of Fortresses? I hit Johnny's artillery with double flags and he went running off out of the fortress...

And Armor as well - just checked in my second run-through.

I'm actually not certain this is a bug - perhaps Artillery and Armor CAN retreat from fortresses, just not enter them?

Will have to ask Jesse when he gets back...

[Updated on: Fri, 08 July 2011 22:19]

      
gheintze
Senior Member
Brigadier General

User Pages
Posts: 956
Registered:
August 2004
Re:Expert mode issues Fri, 08 July 2011 22:23
I would think that artillery in a fortress would have to ignore all flags... (Oh Johnny, why would you retreat them out of the fortress anyway?).

Geoff

[Updated on: Fri, 08 July 2011 22:23]

      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Fri, 08 July 2011 22:32
gheintze wrote on Fri, 08 July 2011 22:23

I would think that artillery in a fortress would have to ignore all flags... (Oh Johnny, why would you retreat them out of the fortress anyway?).

Geoff


No no - fortress allows you to ignore 2 flags, but since it's impassable to both Artillery and Armor I didn't think they were allowed to exit either (like with bunkers). But I might be wrong is what I'm saying.

And yeah - I didn't understand why Johnny would retreat his artillery either!
      
gheintze
Senior Member
Brigadier General

User Pages
Posts: 956
Registered:
August 2004
Re:Expert mode issues Fri, 08 July 2011 22:52
I think we're saying the same thing.

I would also think that artillery would be unable to retreat from a fortress. But since fortresses allow you to ignore all flags (except I guess from Air Power and Barrage), essentially artillery must ignore all flags (in most cases) if they can't legally retreat.

Now I'm getting myself confused... Laughing

Geoff
      
Phread
Senior Member
Stiff Upper Lip

User Pages
Posts: 1778
Registered:
December 2008
Re:Expert mode issues Sat, 09 July 2011 00:53
I think artillery in fortresses should be the same as artillery in bunkers, that is no retreat. Any flags that force retreat should be treated as hits.

If armour in forts represent either the turret or gun of a tank in a fort it should be treated as the same as the artillery, no retreat. It is different from tanks with sandbags, which I have always taken to represent dug in tanks which could choose to drive away.

      
sam1812
Senior Member
Brigadier General

User Pages
Posts: 2278
Registered:
August 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Sat, 09 July 2011 05:14
TP, page 10: FORTRESS - "Same effect as a Bunker (M44 p.16). In addition, either side may claim it as a defensive position. Units on a Fortress hex may ignore all flags rolled against the unit."

Basic rules, p. 16: BUNKER - "An Armor or Artillery unit
may not move onto a Bunker hex. Artillery units that start on a Bunker hex may not move from the hex."

So, units in a Fortress may ignore all flags (except from Air or Barrage), artillery may start the game in a Fortress, but any mandatory flags are hits.
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Sat, 09 July 2011 07:19
Thanks guys, yeah it was what I figured.
      
Randwulf
DoW Content Provider
Major

User Pages
Posts: 1363
Registered:
March 2005
Re:Expert mode issues Sat, 09 July 2011 16:06
In the my Scenario area most of the maps are blank??? I go to play the scenario and all of the info is blank??? no hist data, no special rules... all blank... but when I hit play the board is there and all the units are in play and it plays well....

anyone else not see this??? lol
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Sat, 09 July 2011 22:39
Randwulf wrote on Sat, 09 July 2011 16:06

In the my Scenario area most of the maps are blank??? I go to play the scenario and all of the info is blank??? no hist data, no special rules... all blank... but when I hit play the board is there and all the units are in play and it plays well....

anyone else not see this??? lol


Yep - same for me. I suspect it might have something to do with the edition of the Editor - since I made a brand new (and very simple map, no special stuff) and it showed, but none of my other maps did...
      
banshee2200
Member
Lieutenant

User Pages
Posts: 51
Registered:
August 2004
Re:Expert mode issues Sun, 10 July 2011 12:21
@ DOW Crew

"Keep in mind that there are many items from the boardgame that won't work in the online game simply because they have not been implemented yet. "

Is there a complete list somewhere of what items are implemented (or not implemented)?
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Sun, 10 July 2011 14:28
Mountains don't give ANY cover bonus (even when units are attacking from clear ground against a unit on the Mountain).
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Sun, 10 July 2011 17:00
Depleted Japanese units (i.e. Starting the Game with 3 figures) still get to attack with 1 extra dice in close combat. Again this might not be wrong per se, depending on how you interpret the rules - but it put a wrench in my scenario design Smile
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Tue, 12 July 2011 10:11
Armor can exit Fortresses on an Armor Overrun.
      
FalKirk
Member
First Lieutenant

Posts: 55
Registered:
June 2011
Re:Expert mode issues Tue, 12 July 2011 15:21
Nygaard wrote on Fri, 08 July 2011 16:32

...fortress allows you to ignore 2 flags...



The rules indicate that a Unit in a Fortress may ignore ALL Flags, not just the first two. (Sorry, no citation).
      
Quit2
Senior Member
Advanced Historian

User Pages
Posts: 1173
Registered:
July 2007
Re:Expert mode issues Tue, 12 July 2011 21:05
I have an issue:
I created a scenario, saved it to DOW in the tool.
I can now play it in the My scenarios section.
I would like to modify it slightly and make it available to everyone, but I cannot open it from DOW.

In the open screen, it says I have no games online, but I played them!!
All filters are off, I've refreshed the screen, etc ...
      
gheintze
Senior Member
Brigadier General

User Pages
Posts: 956
Registered:
August 2004
Re:Expert mode issues Tue, 12 July 2011 21:13
Quit2 wrote on Tue, 12 July 2011 15:05

I have an issue:
I created a scenario, saved it to DOW in the tool.
I can now play it in the My scenarios section.
I would like to modify it slightly and make it available to everyone, but I cannot open it from DOW.

In the open screen, it says I have no games online, but I played them!!
All filters are off, I've refreshed the screen, etc ...



See the last post in this thread -- it may help. http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?th=22489&start=0

Geoff
      
Quit2
Senior Member
Advanced Historian

User Pages
Posts: 1173
Registered:
July 2007
Re:Expert mode issues Tue, 12 July 2011 21:35
thanks gheintze - that is exactly what I did wrong.
I send a message to DOW, and I am sure they will fix this as soon as they can get to it.
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Wed, 13 July 2011 14:15
- Railroad bridges are impassable.
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Wed, 13 July 2011 18:05
Cemeteries do not let you ignore 1 flag.
      
Grandviceroy
Member
Arnhem Victory

User Pages
Posts: 96
Registered:
June 2011
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 14 July 2011 01:05
just played your chinese-japanese city fight.

excellent scenario. first game was very close. i was chinese and had i scored ONE more kill on my last turn i would have won; instead, he did with a move out card that let him reach two medals...

it does not get a lot closer than that.

second time around was not fun for either of us, as he admitted, because my dice and cards were weak and weaker, and i just could not finish off anyone .... had it been face to face i told him i would have just resigned, but not wishing to break the code of honor, we mutually suffered through while he beat the living hell out of me....

      
Grandviceroy
Member
Arnhem Victory

User Pages
Posts: 96
Registered:
June 2011
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 14 July 2011 01:08
as for the china-japan city fight scenario...

why do japanese engineers not get the bonus other japanese troops get? or is it just too hard to program TWO special rules (i do not recall any pacific scenarios with japanese engineers, so perhaps you have invented something new?

giving the chinese an entire army of elite infantry is a big bonus...i know they won, but giving them all special status? isn't that a bit much?

i do like the scenario, and despite losing twice out of two goings would be happy to play it again...

nice work. also nice to see a DIFFERENT kind of scenario....good flavor.....
      
Grandviceroy
Member
Arnhem Victory

User Pages
Posts: 96
Registered:
June 2011
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 14 July 2011 05:28
how do we play each other in expert mode?
i enter the site, make sure the experts button is showing to see who is around....
but only got to play one game so far...

i got lucky ONCE by cliking on a green highlighted game.

every other time i go there, there are no green games highlighted.

i do the usual "anyone want to play" and add "in expert mode" while there and wait and wait and wait (usually in the main room within two minutes i have a game that way)

i tried to invite people to a game, but every time i clik on a title and then on someone on the expert list, there is NEVER an invite tab.

i even cliked on a scenario and hit play, thinking that would make the game go green and someone would see it...but sat there for five minutes....nothing....(and i think i might have even lost 3 gold bars)..and the start game button was not highlighted...

i want to play these new games (liked the china-japanese city fight very much..first game was dead close...had i scored ONE more kill (grenade, infantry) instead of a flag i would have won as the chinese (lone japanese soldier sitting on a medal hex) .. second game was painful as the japanese, but only because i had one of those awful frustrating demoralizing baad hands and worse dice...the kind where you kill three out of four but can not kill the fourth...sigh...anyway, good scenario.

i want to play it and more from the list..

what i am not doing right here?

      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Thu, 14 July 2011 08:50
Grandviceroy wrote on Thu, 14 July 2011 01:08

as for the china-japan city fight scenario...

why do japanese engineers not get the bonus other japanese troops get? or is it just too hard to program TWO special rules (i do not recall any pacific scenarios with japanese engineers, so perhaps you have invented something new?

giving the chinese an entire army of elite infantry is a big bonus...i know they won, but giving them all special status? isn't that a bit much?

i do like the scenario, and despite losing twice out of two goings would be happy to play it again...

nice work. also nice to see a DIFFERENT kind of scenario....good flavor.....


Thanks - happy you liked my little "Chinese Stalingrad" Smile
As for the Japanese Engineers, yeah they should get the bonus I think - it's just a question of not having implemented the different special units+nations abilities, I haven't tried, but I'm pretty sure British Engineers won't get "Stiff upper lip" either or Italian ditto get to retreat three hexes. So until this is fixed in Expert I guess that's how it's going to be.

As for making all the Chinese units "elites". That was in order to both balance the Japanese abilities (in a city fight such as this, they effectively also move 2 and attack, since everything is usually close combat) and to make it possible for them to move a little quicker on the flanks and be a threat.

As for how to play in expert mode... I usually just click invite on everybody I want to try a game with. I think there's a lot of people who don't really know what "expert mode" is, even if they bought the Major package - so they are sometimes a little hesitant to jump in. On the other hand I've usually had no problem inviting people (I sort them by who has access to expert, makes it easier to see). And if you pick those people who have a couple of hundred games, chances are they won't mind trying something new.
      
eldonion
Senior Member
Minesweeper

User Pages
Posts: 159
Registered:
December 2007
Re:Expert mode issues Fri, 15 July 2011 02:42
One for the DOW high command staff to sort out please

was invited to play an expert game by otopsi and played a double header (good scenario and well balanced)

On completion of the games I went to my service record and all my games records have disappeared (blank page)

Checked on the DOW site under my account and the 2 games and full history is listed correctly.

Checked again via the M44 on-line games link from the DOW site, and it does not show the 2 expert games against otopsi.

Tried logging out and re-started and logged back in to M44 on line again but still no service record for the games played
(Just a blank page for the games history)

Appreciate any help on this one

      
eldonion
Senior Member
Minesweeper

User Pages
Posts: 159
Registered:
December 2007
Re:Expert mode issues Fri, 15 July 2011 02:57
Forgot to mention I have submitted a bug report
      
sam1812
Senior Member
Brigadier General

User Pages
Posts: 2278
Registered:
August 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Sat, 16 July 2011 07:46
In SFTF Taierzhuang Online (great scenario, Nygaard!), the Japanese engineers didn't remove wire when they moved in and battled out.

I'll submit a bug report.
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Sat, 16 July 2011 09:24
sam1812 wrote on Sat, 16 July 2011 07:46

In SFTF Taierzhuang Online (great scenario, Nygaard!), the Japanese engineers didn't remove wire when they moved in and battled out.

I'll submit a bug report.


I think it's only when the opponent either is destroyed or retreats. Was this the case?
      
sam1812
Senior Member
Brigadier General

User Pages
Posts: 2278
Registered:
August 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Sat, 16 July 2011 18:04
I think it was regardless of whether the dice result.

Clearly, I'll have to pay another visit to Taierzhuang to find out.
      
Nygaard
Senior Member
Général de brigade

User Pages
Posts: 1014
Registered:
May 2006
Re:Expert mode issues Tue, 26 July 2011 23:17
I really need a list of the items that will block a scenario from being loaded. I've currently testing some scenarios, and I can't find out what element it is that isn't allowed in the expert mode... Plz, plz, DoW - with sugar on top! Smile

Is it possible that loaded expansions will block a map, even if none of the elements have been used?
      
Phread
Senior Member
Stiff Upper Lip

User Pages
Posts: 1778
Registered:
December 2008
Re:Expert mode issues Wed, 27 July 2011 04:51
In Weiler-Putscheid SFTF several "new" terrain elements do not work properly.

Radar stations are supposed to block LoS, but don't.
Roads on hills don't allow road movement through them.

I wasn't surprised by either of these problems. This is a good scenario.
      
Jokull
Senior Member
Brigadier General

User Pages
Posts: 225
Registered:
May 2008
Re:Expert mode issues Wed, 27 July 2011 05:03
In cases with British units and Stiff Upper Lip, if a flag is rolled against them, even if they are dug in and don't have to retreat, the program will ask if you wish to Stiff Upper Lip but nothing happens:

1 Flag rolled but no retreat (no matter the reason)

Program asks "Stiff Upper Lip"?

Nothing happens.
      
Pages (2): [1  2  >  » ]     
Previous Topic:New Expert Scenario
Next Topic:Customized avatar picture
Goto Forum: