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Nygaard
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The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 02 July 2011 20:58
Memoire44 - The Tactical and Strategic Guide by Alexis "Praxeo" Beuve is a brilliant little piece of work. And "little" might be the wrong word. 512 pages of Memoire44 goodness, pure candy for a fan-boy like me.

As the title implies, this is actually two books in one: one about tactics and one about strategy. The first part, about tactics, concentrates on how best to move and attack with units, use specific cards and the math of the individual dice rolls.

I'm no great mathematician, so it was really great to have the mathematics and odds explained to me - and I even learned a few things about what to do when you have options like "3 dice vs 1 infantry figure with the option of retreating or 4 dice against a 2 figure infantry unit without retreat options." There's only a 1% difference, but still it's nice to know which one to pick.

The second part concentrates on how best to win games - by "reading" the lay-out of the scenarios, constructing a good hand, and timing, as well as knowledge of the odds of getting the right cards.
In between all this are 4 commented battle reports where you can see all the theory being applied in practical situations.

Throughout the book there the good advice is given in short precise "proverbs" that will help you remember good tactics and strategies, e.g. "2. Villages should be attacked and defended by infantry." or "103. The Sniper fears Barrage and Armor."

Scattered throughout the book are also historical notes about WWII in general and the specific scenarios used in particular - these are written by the DoW "house historian" JdRommel if I'm not mistaken.

Furthermore there are a long list of scenarios (both official and From the Front) that support or emphasize various aspects of the game discussed in the Guide, or show certain special units, nationalities, special abilities, rules, etc.

While Overlord and Breakthrough are mentioned, the emphasis is strongly on the regular game, and the tactics are really the same, while the strategy might be a little different, especially depending on the length of these large games. But still most of that is also applicable.

I really haven't got any points of critique (other than I would have liked the historical notes to be written in a font that is easier to read) - if anything I would have liked it to be 1024 pages.

I hope DoW will make an English version of it one day...

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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 02 July 2011 23:07
Nice review, Magnus. I also hope this will be available in English soon. I'm half tempted to buy the French version and translate it myself. Very Happy

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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 02 July 2011 23:08
On that LAST point, I hope so too, cause I would buy that up in a second!
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 02 July 2011 23:17
One more pre-order here Very Happy
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 02 July 2011 23:28
gheintze wrote on Sat, 02 July 2011 23:07

Nice review, Magnus. I also hope this will be available in English soon. I'm half tempted to buy the French version and translate it myself. Very Happy

Geoff


Actually I've been thinking about that myself. If there were a PDF version of it - it might be easier - so you could copy the text and use google-translate or something.
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 03 July 2011 03:30
I'd order an english version, autographed by the author.

      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 03 July 2011 10:26
I'm worried - won't this book mean that we all start playing the same way because we now all know the best options for die roles? Rolling Eyes

      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 03 July 2011 10:35
No worries.

Just because we better understand the odds and the best strategies it doesn't follow that we will play identical games.

For each of us to play identical games we would have to have the same cards, make the same moves, make the same attacks, and roll the same dice.

The essence of the M44 game system is the cards and dice which randomise the game.

You could play the same scenario against the same opponent again and again and you would be unlikely to see the same cards drawn and dice rolled. The general strategy may be the same but the cards and dice will shape the game play more than any book could.

I have played a lot of M44 online and learnt a lot of tips, techniques and strategy.
None of those help me if I don't draw useful cards and roll reasonable dice.
I think I am now a better player, but I can only play within the limits of the cards I am dealt and the dice I roll.
That is the beauty (and frustration) of M44.

[Updated on: Sun, 03 July 2011 10:39]

      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 03 July 2011 11:41
Achtung Panzer wrote on Sun, 03 July 2011 10:26

I'm worried - won't this book mean that we all start playing the same way because we now all know the best options for die roles? Rolling Eyes



It seems we will play like the robots predicting opponent moves. Shocked
It will be interesting to read the book, but I will stay with my own habits in gameplay.
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 03 July 2011 15:09
djedi gamer wrote on Sun, 03 July 2011 11:41

Achtung Panzer wrote on Sun, 03 July 2011 10:26

I'm worried - won't this book mean that we all start playing the same way because we now all know the best options for die roles? Rolling Eyes



It seems we will play like the robots predicting opponent moves. Shocked
It will be interesting to read the book, but I will stay with my own habits in gameplay.


LOL

It's like saying that if you read a book on how to play Chess you will always play the same way... And chess doesn't even have an objective random factor.

I don't think there's anything to worry about. In some, very specific instances (like how best to use Barrage when you just need 1 more kill to win the game) there's really only one way to play mathematically - but that's really only tactics. I doubt two people will ever play STRATEGICALLY the same way even if they have the same set of opening hand.

Think of this as a poker-book. You get some math to help you not make stupid mistakes, but actually winning is still up to you.

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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 03 July 2011 18:25
I, for one, look forward to the english edition...I'm always looking to add to my M44 stuff. I'm also sure it will help my play and be an interesting read. Smile
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 09 July 2011 01:50
I don't know if anyone has said anything about this, when is the English translation coming out?
I would buy one first chance I got.
My wife says I need all the help I can get. Embarassed Laughing
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 09 July 2011 03:43
Even if you have the best mathematical stattistics for the best odds, the dice are NEVER guaranteed to give you that result. How many times have you tossed 4 dice, which mathematically would give you a 50% chance of killing two infantry units and you get: 2 stars, an armor and 1 flag. The fact remains that dice are random on any ONE given roll. You may play the odds but the dice determine the result.

I applaud Alexis for highlighting the tactical advantages which will enable a novice player to improve the quality of their game. I know after many years of playing that my pleasure in the game is enhanced by improved knowledge and ability to see opportunity in troop postion and terrain. I look forward to the English release and am encouraged to know that even more people will be improved players and enhance the competitive level of play. So thanks Alexis.
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 09 July 2011 04:21
5 star general wrote on Sat, 09 July 2011 11:50

I don't know if anyone has said anything about this, when is the English translation coming out?
I would buy one first chance I got.
My wife says I need all the help I can get. Embarassed Laughing


My wife often says I need help, but it isn't with playing boardgames. Shocked Very Happy Shocked Very Happy Shocked

That said I would probably buy an english edition of Alexis' book.

[Updated on: Sat, 09 July 2011 04:22]

      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 09 July 2011 09:50
Do our wives know and talk to each other?? Surprised Surprised

(Yes I will also probably buy the guide when it is translated)
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 10 July 2011 05:21
I had a friend that played the old Avalon Hill game called "Midway". We played it together so many times that we started playing both sides by ourselves even though we were on opposite sides of the table. I'm sure that we both lost several games by simply outsmarting ourselves by trying to figure out the others moves. That is what makes this game so fun. The system is driven by the cards and then we also have the dice that add the effect of chance and realism.
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 10 July 2011 12:24
Can the wonderful folks at the DOW headquarters give us even a small hint as to when this this will be available in English?

I'd like to buy it for my daughter as (I hate to say) she probably needs it. Embarassed

If she reads this I will be in big trouble!! Twisted Evil
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sun, 10 July 2011 14:09
Thank you for the review. As the rest, I will wait till its in english.

Care,

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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Wed, 20 July 2011 17:17
I think I can't wait any longer and I will order it in french.

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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Wed, 26 October 2011 14:33
eldonion wrote on Sun, 10 July 2011 11:24

Can the wonderful folks at the DOW headquarters give us even a small hint as to when this this will be available in English?

I'd like to buy it for my daughter as (I hate to say) she probably needs it. Embarassed

If she reads this I will be in big trouble!! Twisted Evil





It's now getting nearer and nearer to Christmas
Will the DOW headquarters staff be able to give us the english version in time for this year

ANY hints or clues Smile
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Wed, 26 October 2011 14:37
Eldonian, in order to do that, somebody would have to translate a 500-page book pretty rapidly.

I'd be happy just to have the French version available in the US store.
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Wed, 26 October 2011 19:37
sam1812 écrit le Wed, 26 October 2011 14:37

pretty rapidly.


One could argue that the script was available before the press release so they could've had a head start.

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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Wed, 26 October 2011 20:56
hdescavernes wrote on Wed, 26 October 2011 21:37

sam1812 écrit le Wed, 26 October 2011 14:37

pretty rapidly.


One could argue that the script was available before the press release so they could've had a head start.


No, because after the French version came out DoW was asking if anyone wanted to help translate it. Smile

So I wouldn't look for it before Christmas, though stranger things have happened...
      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Wed, 26 October 2011 23:21
So, put me down for a copy as well, I'm also looking forward to it.

      
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Re:The Memoire44 Tactics and Strategy Guide review Sat, 29 October 2011 02:31
[quote title=rasmussen81 écrit le Wed, 26 October 2011 20:56]
hdescavernes wrote on Wed, 26 October 2011 21:37

after the French version came out DoW was asking if anyone wanted to help translate it


Too bad I didn't know that ! I would've gladly helped
      
    
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