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Phread
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 20 July 2011 11:30
 
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And Oberst fjetzt was promoted after a win not a loss. 
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jamesherrell
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 20 July 2011 16:31
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And... Herr fjetzt was promoted after winning against a cadet.
Therefore, putting all the pieces of the puzzle together, I think the equation must be something along the following lines:
[Win every battle (41) from both sides (41 x 2 = 82) as Lt. Col.] + [play "X" number of cadets] + [play a minimum of 250 battles as Lt. Col.]
The only variable is what "X" is in terms of cadets. We can derive that from the records of those players who have been promoted. A bit tricky, as you have to go back into the records of each Colonel's opponents and see what rank they were at the time, but I think I've figured it out.
Hint: fjetzt was promoted after playing (and winning) against a Cadet and he'd played at least 250 battles as Lt. Colonel.
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sbauer9
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 20 July 2011 19:24
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Woo hoo! Congrats sbauer9!
So now we have to keep track of battles played too... This is becoming a record keeping nightmare. I really wish we could get rid of the last 15 days spreadsheet and combine it into a 2011 spreadsheet. Or I'll have to start keeping my own...
Now that we've solved this one it's time for the next promotion level I would think. 
Great teamwork everyone! Who's ready to move on?
Geoff
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jamesherrell
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 20 July 2011 19:32
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Actually, I'm hoping to skip right past Colonel and go straight on to General...
Here's a thought regarding the requirements for the next promotion. Memoir '44 now allows us to post a scenario in the public forum. (BTW, I particulary like Nygaard's but haven't played them all yet). I'll wager that in order to make General, you'll need to post a scenario and have it played "X" number of times.
I mean, isn't planning the battle itself what Generals do?
Good Luck!
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 20 July 2011 19:41
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| jamesherrell wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 13:32 |
Actually, I'm hoping to skip right past Colonel and go straight on to General...
Here's a thought regarding the requirements for the next promotion. Memoir '44 now allows us to post a scenario in the public forum. (BTW, I particulary like Nygaard's but haven't played them all yet). I'll wager that in order to make General, you'll need to post a scenario and have it played "X" number of times.
I mean, isn't planning the battle itself what Generals do?
Good Luck!
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But they've told us many times that the only battles that count for promotions and acheivements are the official ones. But perhaps that only applies to wins and losses.
I've had the same thought myself...
Geoff
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Turboheizer
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 20 July 2011 20:12
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Congrats to the new Colonels, but also to James for formulating the correct theory.
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Phread
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 20 July 2011 21:52
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Congratulations to Colonel number 7 Colonel sbauer9.
After a pause in promotion we have 2 new colonels in 2 days.
Who's next?
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toddcalu
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Wed, 20 July 2011 22:28
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Added detail on Col. fjetzt and his work as a Lt. Col. You will see that yes, he surpassed the minimum 250 game requirement, but only in the last day (the 19th) did he finally win as a Lt. Col. his first game for the following sides and scenarios:
- Axis / Escape via the Coastal Road
- Allies / Gallabat & Metemma
- Axis / Liberation of Paris
- Allies / Montélimar
- Axis / Sidi Rezegh Airfield
- Both sides / Saverne Gap
I do not think it is a coincidence that these are the ONLY scenarios he targeted on the 19th, including 8 straight games trying to prevent the liberation of Paris (altho he fairly played both sides in those 8 games when he only needed the Axis side).
So while this supports the conclusion that you must win scenarios from each side as a Lt. Col., I should also point out that he never played or won as a Lt. Col. in Arracourt, Twin Villages, Tunisia, Lisyanka, and Warsaw (not unexpected), and he never won 3 sides from 3 other scenarios.
So either all of these are late add scenarios to their theaters of operation or the formula is still not quite tweaked down.
You should be able to get to my Google spreadsheet at this link.https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av9tU6r SgHeDdDZ5aUJWajJjcVhydndzTDNNb21Jcmc&hl=en_US
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sam1812
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 21 July 2011 01:12
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Hearty congratulations to the new Colonels.
The idea of having to win all scenarios from both sides still is not logical, though, because there are over 200 official scenarios, and they may all be available a year from now.
I can see a requirement for a specified number of wins for each side in each theater. I can see a further requirement that they come from a minimum number of different scenarios. But "all" is not workable in the long run.
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toddcalu
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Thu, 21 July 2011 01:35
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You're right, Sam, in that "all" are not possible. In fact, we've already found that to become a Lt. Col. some of the newly created for on-line use scenarios do not count toward the requirement of 10 wins per side per theater. So when we say win all scenarios at least once from each side, it's knowing that DOW is looking for a certain subset at the time the requirements were created.
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jamesherrell
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sat, 23 July 2011 00:01
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I'd just like to say "hi" to all my fellow Colonels and let you know the next round's on me in the Officer's club...
I was promoted after battle 250 since making Lt. Col. right on schedule.
I'm thinking of changing my name to go with the new rank. Can't decide between "Kurtz" and "Sanders."
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Phread
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sat, 23 July 2011 04:59
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| jamesherrell wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 18:01 |
I'd just like to say "hi" to all my fellow Colonels and let you know the next round's on me in the Officer's club...
I was promoted after battle 250 since making Lt. Col. right on schedule.
I'm thinking of changing my name to go with the new rank. Can't decide between "Kurtz" and "Sanders."
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Congratulations! I'm glad you made it -- you are a credit to the rank of Colonel!
Hopefully we can play against each other sometime soon.
Geoff
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toddcalu
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sat, 23 July 2011 08:47
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Maybe "Klink? 
| jamesherrell wrote on Fri, 22 July 2011 15:01 |
I'm thinking of changing my name to go with the new rank. Can't decide between "Kurtz" and "Sanders."
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SgtBob49
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sun, 24 July 2011 01:54
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Congrats to Col Sherrell. Well deserved. I will look forward to our next battle.
Bob
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stevens
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sun, 24 July 2011 13:23
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I'm thinking of changing my name to go with the new rank. Can't decide between "Kurtz" and "Sanders."
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Maybe "Shultz" ... 
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David XLV
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 06:13
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And then there were 9! I want to offer a sincere thanks to those that did all the hard work of earning the first Colonel rankings and helping to give me an idea of what it might take to achieve this.
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Phread
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 06:16
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| David XLV wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 16:13 |
And then there were 9! I want to offer a sincere thanks to those that did all the hard work of earning the first Colonel rankings and helping to give me an idea of what it might take to achieve this.
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Congratulation to Colonel David XLV the 9th member of the Colonel's club.
Welcome, the drinks are on you until the next Colonel arrives. Make mine a ginger beer thanks.
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 13:29
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| David XLV wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 00:13 |
And then there were 9! I want to offer a sincere thanks to those that did all the hard work of earning the first Colonel rankings and helping to give me an idea of what it might take to achieve this.
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Congratulations... on all your hard work and successful promotion!
I'm not sure how much people should be thanking me, since it now looks as if you don't have to win every scenario. Someone was probably unnecessarily struggling with Breakout to Klin or Gallabat and Metemma because of my theory.
Geoff
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David XLV
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 16:39
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Did someone make Colonel without winning every scenario?
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 16:52
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| toddcalu wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 16:28 |
Added detail on Col. fjetzt and his work as a Lt. Col. You will see that yes, he surpassed the minimum 250 game requirement, but only in the last day (the 19th) did he finally win as a Lt. Col. his first game for the following sides and scenarios:
- Axis / Escape via the Coastal Road
- Allies / Gallabat & Metemma
- Axis / Liberation of Paris
- Allies / Montélimar
- Axis / Sidi Rezegh Airfield
- Both sides / Saverne Gap
I do not think it is a coincidence that these are the ONLY scenarios he targeted on the 19th, including 8 straight games trying to prevent the liberation of Paris (altho he fairly played both sides in those 8 games when he only needed the Axis side).
So while this supports the conclusion that you must win scenarios from each side as a Lt. Col., I should also point out that he never played or won as a Lt. Col. in Arracourt, Twin Villages, Tunisia, Lisyanka, and Warsaw (not unexpected), and he never won 3 sides from 3 other scenarios.
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This seems to say that you need to win a certain number of scenarios from both sides (or either), but not all of them...
Geoff
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David XLV
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 17:27
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If it hasn't already been a condition, I'm sure it will be at some point. I guess I'd better get started winning each scenario again, just in case.
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 17:49
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| David XLV wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 11:27 |
If it hasn't already been a condition, I'm sure it will be at some point. I guess I'd better get started winning each scenario again, just in case.
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Amen to that...
I've already tried to win them all as a Colonel -- I'm still three short (Allies at Gates of Moscow, Klin, and Suomussalmi).
I have about 140 wins total (about 70 of each). Just trying to get a head start for the next one...
Geoff
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David XLV
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 19:53
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Wow....I'm really surprised to hear that Suomussalmi is one of the last ones still left. For me it's Klin and Moscow as the Allies and Arnehm and Gallabat & Metemma as the Axis that typically require a ton of tries.
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 20:05
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I left Eastern Front for last...so I've only tried Suomussalmi once so far as a colonel. That should not be so difficult to win as the Russians. Gates of Moscow is slightly more difficult, and I don't think I need comment on the difficulty of Klin as the Russians.
Also, I need to keep working towards that Axis Aces High medal as well as get more comfortable with Warsaw and Rzhev.
Geoff
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Smarf
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Tue, 26 July 2011 22:01
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| gheintze wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 14:05 |
I left Eastern Front for last...so I've only tried Suomussalmi once so far as a colonel. That should not be so difficult to win as the Russians. Gates of Moscow is slightly more difficult, and I don't think I need comment on the difficulty of Klin as the Russians.
Also, I need to keep working towards that Axis Aces High medal as well as get more comfortable with Warsaw and Rzhev.
Geoff
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Most of my wins are in the Western front and I need a lot of Eastern front games (and Mediterranean and Pacific). Invite me if you see me on!
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Phread
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gheintze
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Path to Brigadier General
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Wed, 27 July 2011 19:57
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So I totaled up my progress towards Brigadier General. Since Phread said it was helpful last time, I thought that I would give him a head start as well.
These are only my games played since being promoted to Colonel, by the way.
I've been trying to win all scenarios from both sides. I have two left -- Gates of Moscow and Breakout to Klin (both from the Russian side).
Victories:
AXIS
Eastern 17
Western 31
Pacific 11
Mediterranean 17
Total 76
ALLIES
Eastern 10
Western 31
Pacific 15
Mediterranean 14
Total 70
For a grand total of 146 wins out of 234 games (62%). Not bad since I'm trying to win them all and have played the difficult side slightly more often.
Since the promotions are supposed to get more difficult to obtain and we needed to play 250 games to get Colonel, I would assume that I'm nowhere close to the requirements for the next rank. Hopefully, we'll have some more information soon (at which point, I will start a new thread...)
Geoff
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Phread
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Re:Path to Brigadier General
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Wed, 27 July 2011 22:27
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| gheintze wrote on Thu, 28 July 2011 05:57 |
So I totaled up my progress towards Brigadier General. Since Phread said it was helpful last time, I thought that I would give him a head start as well.
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Thanks Geoff, somedays I need all the help I can get.
Two days ago I won 6/6 including some unlikely victories.
Yesterday 1/7 including some improbable losses.
To amuse myself and give myself a target I checked my record so I could also try to win everything again from both sides (this will be third time).
To help those watching our careers:
So far, as Colonel, I have 27 unique victories as Allies & 31 as Axis which means 16 unique Alllied & 12 Axis victories to go.
By unique I mean at least one victory in a battle on the side in question.
For many scenarios I have multiple wins (and many losses) for each side.
I've only played 219 battles as Colonel with a 66% sucess rate overall.
If it took about 250 battles to get to Colonel, maybe it will take 500 to get to Brigadier - as well as a bunch of other requirments.
Keep giving us your insights, hints and tips.
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Morgiliath
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel
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Sat, 30 July 2011 20:21
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| Morgiliath wrote on Sat, 30 July 2011 09:49 |
Colonel no 10 (if my counting is correct) - reporting for duty.
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Congratulations Morgiliath! A fine addition to the rank...
Geoff
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neil1967
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Re:Colonel
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Sat, 30 July 2011 23:56
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Does that make me 11?
Possibly in terms of mental age... 
I'm not sure when I got promoted exactly, wasn't really trying for it 
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gheintze
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Re:Colonel
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Sun, 31 July 2011 00:08
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| neil1967 wrote on Sat, 30 July 2011 17:56 |
Does that make me 11?
Possibly in terms of mental age...
I'm not sure when I got promoted exactly, wasn't really trying for it
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It's best when it's a surprise! Congratulations!
Geoff
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Phread
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sun, 31 July 2011 00:22
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Congratulations to Colonel #10 Colonel Morgiliath and Oberst #11 Oberst neil1967.
Two new colonels in one day a veritable flood of promotions.
Welcome to the Colonel's Club gentlemen.
To eveyone else there's still room for many more in the clubroom.
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David XLV
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sun, 31 July 2011 04:10
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congrats to the 2 newest members of the Colonel club
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sam1812
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sun, 31 July 2011 05:14
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Looks like 245 games as Lieutenant Colonel for Morgiliath and 263 for neil.
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jamesherrell
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sun, 31 July 2011 07:44
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Gentleman, I salute you.
Soon, however, I expect to be battling you...
Time to start the next promotion thread?
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Quit2
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sun, 31 July 2011 15:22
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| sam1812 wrote on Sun, 31 July 2011 05:14 |
Looks like 245 games as Lieutenant Colonel for Morgiliath and 263 for neil.
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So 250 games is not a requirement? Interesting.
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Morgiliath
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Re:Colonel Promotion requirements
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Sun, 31 July 2011 22:54
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I think it is rather the number of wins...
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