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Sysyphus - Pommard
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Re:Second accounts Thu, 16 June 2011 19:14
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Oh, and Sysyphus is my mother in law Cool


Yeah Bean, so glad you married thekid I fathered with ommie's help Laughing Laughing Laughing

We all think you made clear steps to have your point understood and I think we all get it.

However, this community has weakened so much all over those years and most of top players keep trying to protect it with this unspoken agreement I told you about.
That's why we sound quite flinty about it.

This is shared by 75% of top players (rest consisting of cheaters, ranking manipulators and silent 2nd account holders) and 80% of the "visible" top players. probably optimistic with those figures

We just think it's better for you and the community to stick to it and respect that agreement which leads to mutual respect among top players. Tolerance is one thing, respect is better.
(and there, I don't say you are disrepectful Wink ).

Any weakness, flexibilty on that leads unfortunately to the crap that occurs too often in tourneys.


This includes not only to have only one account but also different other things such as not playing on bot, say grats at the end of the game etc...and obviously no cheating.

[Updated on: Thu, 16 June 2011 19:18]

      
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Re:Second accounts Thu, 16 June 2011 21:30
that's a better diplomatical and clear message Smile


however , I'd like you to clarify some things :

- so it's not good enough if I play with Kaogum with you top players , but u ask that I quit playing with kaogummie in addition? (because of the unspoken agreement)

-I'd like that you answer this question I asked before : do you play 1300+/1400+ multis when you are 1650 ?

- do you really mind if ... after what you said , I play mostly with Kaogum 1500+ multis as usual... and sometimes only, when there are nobody 1500+ multi players, playing 2ers , or under 1500+ multis with kaogummie?

I understand that the unspoken agreement is kind of a clear rule. but could it be a more flexible rule , as soon as it's clear how people use their accounts , and that we just stop comparing our rankings between both of our accounts ?

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Re:Second accounts Fri, 17 June 2011 10:16
Alright, I have decided to join the community and make my first official post.

I agree with what a lot of the top players are saying. The second account does weaken the overall rating system. I wouldn't mind having a 2nd account to "mess around" with, but I agree that it cheapens the game. Many of you know that I often play in sub-1500 multi's and will play almost anyone in a 2er. One loss sets my rating back a week at times, but I just enjoy playing the game. I will still play against the second accounts to get a game, but I prefer to see their first accounts. As for cheating, those people have to live with themselves. I don't think any of the top players (that I know) are using their 2nd account to cheat, but I see it all the time with some of the lower rankings. It brings me great pleasure to beat a player I know is cheating Smile Then I click ignore...

Therefore, I side with the 21-account method. Since I am independently wealthy, you will soon see Bry Guy-2, Bry Guy-3, Bry Guy-4, Bry Guy-5...

DANG! I already forgot which Bry Guy plays which game, so for now I will just stay with one name and account. Remember to have fun all! It is just a game Smile Right ?!?

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Re:Second accounts Sat, 18 June 2011 01:05
tüfftüff, Hogwarts-Express, Wernerus, Monstarmaster / Dennis, NevenSubotic, Andreas Train / Wuschel33, trainlover13, Me&myself&I, TheShark, Kopaka, ac mailand, Rocky24 ... etc.

I'm sorry, Kao & Co., but there is a long long list of second-account-cheaters and -wranglers from the last years. They have killed most of the trust in this community. And sorry, after that i prefer to play with first-and-only-accounts.
      
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Re:Second accounts Sat, 18 June 2011 03:24
First of all ,I'm clearly not a second account cheater

secondly , there are so many players of 2ers, that I hide cards when I open one , and I decided to trust all multi players , no matter what ( 2nd account etc..)


At last , I want to say ,that before I had kaogummie account , when there were nobody to play with , I was playing with bots (only bots, no points winning) , or unrated megagame with anyone ( not really fast games). Now If I don't use kaogummie at all , I'll do that again (=NO MUCH FUN) or I'll have to change game even if I want to play TTR.(=No much fun either)

So I'll use it when there is nobody. I think it's fair cause I WOULDN'T USE KAOGUM(main account) IN THAT CASE. (and I paid 10 euros for that)

it means I'll use 2nd account if I have/want to , mostly between 10AM and 16AM , and on friday and saturday nights.

For now I lost a bit the will to play , it's sunny outside , holidays soon , have an other game that I like to play instead of TTR.
So I'll certainly not use Kaogummie for now. (probably the next 2 months) , and maybe if I keep liking playing other games I won't need to use it at all , ever again.

best compromise I can do. and very small little exception for you all to do towards someone who honestly tell the things and changes fairly a bit her mind in order to please all points of view.

anyway , maybe I'm telling that for nothing cause maybe like I said I won't use it everagain lol but still if you see kaogummie going down on the rankings one day , don't be surprise; u'll know why.

      
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Re:Second accounts Sat, 18 June 2011 05:29
Now from the perspective of one of the high-1400 to low-1500 players with whom Dani and Amandine enjoy playing (I think) and with whom I enjoy playing against:

Please allow me some lee-way for this tangent: I also enjoy Memoir 44, which I am playing as I write right now. That community has moved AWAY from the rating point system simply because of these obsessions over ratings. In fact on their forum you will find GREAT criticism of this TTR community simply because of what they call "snobbishnes". I was initially upset at such characterizations of my other game-world. Their main issue just that we (TTR) are too concerned over our points here and refuse to play against other lower players for fear of losing too many points - example: actually losing 1-2 points for finishing 2nd in a 4-player game.

After seeing Dani and Amandine use a 2nd account I considered the same thing recently. I've always been miserable at the 2-way game and thought it would be a good place to practice. But recently - have you noticed? - there are fewer and fewer multi games out there. Well, fewer 1450+ level multi games. Maybe because of these incidents, I don't know. But I got tired of waiting and hooked up with some 2-players games. On my one and only account.

And I'm starting to win! Yesterday I actually gained points on 2-way games and lost in bunches in 4-ways. Go figure.

But that's how it is. Play how you want to play. Just don't cheat. There's a good group of players out here. And no you don't need 21 accounts. It's not like DOW doesn't keep track of how you're doing in multi-games vs 2-way games vs Euro vs Swiss. It's all right there in your account.

Want to be number 1? Go after one of those individual titles. Remember the earlier reference to tennis players? Well, they really do play under different rankings depending on if they are playing solo or doubles or mixed doubles.

Let's give DOW a lot of credit for what they do well and let's go out and start playing more multis. See you there.

Todd

      
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Re:Second accounts Fri, 24 June 2011 05:08
If you want to protect your high score but there are "only" mid ranked players around, there are two ways to do so: dont play or play and win. I prefer the latter.

No risk, no fun.

We need 6 player version of suisse map and I would love to enter it, with 8 ticks min, ranked!

Colo
      
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Re:Second accounts Fri, 24 June 2011 05:43
Colo !

If this was to happen, I think even bassie would come back to ttr to play !! Razz
Mr. NC, Mr. play a whole night tru, Mr. first open (real life) invitation to the ttr world.
But never ever did he have a second account. Not even to save his name during NC. Shocked

Being in this community since 2005, I am afraid the opinions of second accounts have been split as the ever present discussion of blocking or not, being "fair".

As said before. In sports you also have "one account". Imagine Roger Federer sending a double on his bad days Laughing Laughing

So for a clean rating list, and a fair play against all, ONE ACCOUNT RULEZ!

the witch aka Jac_ King

and here the matter of blocking taken care of once and for all: Twisted Evil
      
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Re:Second accounts Fri, 24 June 2011 23:03
Another constructive point of view Rolling Eyes

This community went never as well and the respect for the spirit of the sport was never so strong. Laughing

More and more multiple accounts and less and less players in league. Never a season contained so little engaged players. Shocked

Anybody has an explanation to supply me?

      
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Re:Second accounts Sat, 25 June 2011 22:07
When the spirit of the sport progresses
Or when a pathetic behavior mixs at coward attitudes.
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Belelule opens an EU multi and is joined by Dae1, I decide to join the table and quits at once when I see that the fourth is TüffTüff (multi-accounts) with whom I do not want to play.
Belelule asks me to return so that we made multi-one high-level.

Big error of my part, I accept and the high level EU multi begins. Everything takes place normally during the first two third parties of the game, until TüffTüff blocks my road while writing in the lobby that he does not need this section but that it is voluntarily to make Belelule win.
Been little used to play with Dea1 and not remembering me that he is Austrian, I ask him in English if he understand that two others writte in German in the lobby, Because I wish to collect his support on the fact that two players become allied to make me lose and all this seem to me not very fair, but I receive no answer of Dea1.
The game ends I lose the longest road for the benefit of Belelule who finishes the first one, I make second then TüffTüff and finally Dea1 who does not hesitate to send a gw Bele.. Twisted Evil

Upholder Dea1 in good estimates(considering his reputation), I ask him how he can congratulate somebody who took advantage of the deliberated help on another player to win. And to answer me, Belelule is for nothing there, it is the other who decided to help him.
But on the basis of which values was summits your education.


The Merit, Misters Dea1 and Belelule would have been to say that the spirit of the play was falsified by TüffTüff and that game must be cancelled. So yes, Bravo for all that of cowardice.

Then, yes Beef speaks English badly and badly German and with a very bad character and is not TOP Player.
But he has only one name, a single account, a lot of pride and honor. He will never cheat and will never agree be helped by whoever.

[Updated on: Sat, 03 December 2011 10:17]

      
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Re:Second accounts Sat, 25 June 2011 22:33
I don't understand exactly, Beef.
Did Tüff-Tüff write in the lobby DURING the game?? Or after the game?

By the way, Dea is a she (not a he) Razz and i would be very surprised if she would agree with this sort of play if she knew about it.
      
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Re:Second accounts Sat, 25 June 2011 23:41
hi beef,

this comment is not correct, i kicked tüff tüff in the next game but we are not friends. It was the first time with tüff tüff in a multi. but when one player a chance for the second place is a block ´legitim for the longest for annother player.
I hope y play in the future eu multis with belelule.

with my second account lehmix i play only eu multis at thursday with wuiderer,tender and kessel + at times when no player over 1500 in the lobby. With lehmix i played us games or in the job on midday.

Best wishes belelule


      
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Re:Second accounts Sun, 26 June 2011 00:30
ok, as my name is mentioned here I'll report my perception of this game:

Tüfftüff blocked me - which is why I finished last.
It may well be that he also blocked Beef - who finished 2nd -, I didn't watch the rest of the game diligently because I was also rather bewildered about proceedings.

After blocking (at least) me, tüfftüff wrote in the chat (yes, openly during the game) what Beef mentioned - that he played to help Belelule.
My view of that was, that Tüfftüff tried to kiss up to Belelule for whatever reason and Belelule was not at all happy about these developments.

I'm not the complaining kind when I lose, so I just typed "gw" after the game as I normally do.
When asked by Beef why I congratulate, I answered that I'm trying to be polite and that I don't think Belelule had anything to do with it. I still hadn't realized that Beef thought HE had been damaged ...

I certainly don't agree with any unfair methods but I'm careful with allegations that may ruin someones reputation for no justified reason.
      
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Re:Second accounts Sun, 26 June 2011 13:18
Dear Dea,

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Tüfftüff blocked me - which is why I finished last.


No TüffTüff does not have you to block voluntarily, but you shared the same zone of game in the East (not specially the hardest tickets Smile ), and my starting up War-Kiev followed by Kiev-Bud (for royal one Lis-dan) obliged to you to look for the same sections around Kiev. It arrives every day and this has nothing to do with a deliberated blocking.

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Tüfftüff tried to kiss up to Belelule for whatever reason and Belelule was not at all happy about these developments.


I shared hundreds of parties with (Belelule or Lehmix), I know very well his level of game and I also know that he needs no outside help to beat me. For what I blame him, it is to have tried at no time to interrupt this game which was fully falsified by the attitude of TüffTüff.

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When asked by Beef why I congratulate, I answered that I'm trying to be polite


So if I indeed understand, you try to be polished with doubtful attitudes, on the other hand you do not answer me when I address you in the lobby. I shall be curious to know which logic all this answers.

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I still hadn't realized that Beef thought HE had been damaged ...


The only damage which I feel is to see the spirit of this community splitting. And yes, I need to rebel against all these small behavioral drift, and yes I am disappointed when I see very good players do not hold their row and let make.

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but I'm careful with allegations that may ruin someones reputation for no justified reason.



All which precedes absolutely has no vocation to ruin the reputation of whoever (except for mine).

But I wished to motivate my unjustified reasons.

Maybe next time my questions shall not arouse only indifference and shall not stay without answers. Same, for some arrogant persons who even have no politeness to answer the PM.


Sure I'll have a lot of new friends now. Very Happy
      
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Re:Second accounts Tue, 28 June 2011 03:32
While of course the described behaviour of king-making is against all spirit of the game, I would love to see this thread come back to the interesting topic of second accounts. Might be an idea to open another thread "king making" or such. The competitive forum is full of threads about tournament groups and such. Seldom we have interesting threads on general topics. So lets try and keep those few alive, by possibly sticking to the topic?
      
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Re:Second accounts Wed, 06 July 2011 15:33
Hecki schrieb am Wed, 08 June 2011 03:15

What do you think about second accounts? Am i right? Am i wrong? I'd really love to read your answers to this case.

What I miss in this thread are the positive aspects of second accounts:

-) For my personal statistic, I'd love to have some "Angel_tourney" account. The history would only show my competition games and my ranking would be real (in tourneys everybody tries hard to win).
I'd love to have the option "mark a game as tourney game". Plus a filter in the games history and a seperate tourney ranking ELO list Smile

-) A training account is useful imho. Tennis players can train service for hours, or new rackets, or whatever, and it won't count for ranking lists. It's not normal that you have to concentrate on every move the whole year to keep a good ranking.

-) There is for example TheGoodGuy, always playing without starting. Could he have done this with his main account? I think no, because this account's ranking would then be flawed (too low), and the real "no starting ranking" would never be reached.

-) Many players (like you) tend to drop in (overall) ranking(s) massively from time to time. Maybe it's due to multi's or playing drunk or playing the whole night long. Your opponents get overranked during your drop phase, and after that they get underranked because of your too low ranking. And while your are ranked low, your choice of opponents is smaller because many players (like me Embarassed ) won't play you at 1600 (every games costs an additional point, assuming you should be 1700). Multiple accounts could be of some use here.


So I feel there are a couple of valid reasons to use more than one account.

And for the "multiple account-critisism", I understand some of it, but some other not really:

-) False ranking: in the beginning yes; but after some time, the second account's ranking is as correct as your first one. You could also avoid to play tops in this first phase.

-) Deception1: the question is how the second account is handled. You can use a name very similar to your first account name. I used Angel345 back then, when there only was one ranking (the overall one). Everybody new automatically about it and nobody was deceived.

-) Deception2: when a strong player steps into your game and won't recognize you, simply tell him who you are Wink

-) Cheating: there is an interesting correlation of "cheaters" and "multiple account users", I can't deny it. But still I'm not at all willing to believe that "multiple account users are generally cheaters"! There are too many other reasons besides a cheating affinity.
      
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Re:Second accounts Wed, 06 July 2011 17:14
Interesting post here, even if my point of view is totally different.

Angel6 écrit le Wed, 06 July 2011 15:33



-) A training account is useful imho. Tennis players can train service for hours, or new rackets, or whatever, and it won't count for ranking lists. It's not normal that you have to concentrate on every move the whole year to keep a good ranking.



Well, when they train, they don't play in order to win points in the ATP/WTA rankings.
You can therefore play unranked.
That's what Miguel/Rui do quite often, I have no problem with it, and it's the best alternative to me.

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-) Tourney account (...)

-) There is for example TheGoodGuy, (...)



To me, there are enough rankings, maybe too many... Additional rankings, are here to satisfy egos Twisted Evil (including mine at the time i was caring about them).

You use tennis as a comparaison. Is there any specific ranking for Clay, Grass, Grand Slam, Indoor, ReboundAce, HardCourt ?
No, only overall number 1 does matter and exist.

And honestly, most of players of the community are interested in the overall number 1 (as observers, I mean). Like I said above, other rankings are used for a specific personal achievement.
Who remembers all the Swiss, 1910, multi (etc...) number 1 apart from those that actually made it there ?
And why not then creating a ranking by age, height, couples Love Razz , colour of your underwear Laughing ?

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-) Many players (like you) tend to drop in (overall) ranking(s) massively from time to time. Maybe it's due to multi's or playing drunk or playing the whole night long.



Doesn't matter much to me. A top player will be back in top 20, top 10, top 3 or number 1 sooner or later...
Regularity in the top rankings is less visible but more important for me as an observer !

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-) False ranking: in the beginning yes; but after some time, the second account's ranking is as correct as your first one. You could also avoid to play tops in this first phase.



Yes, that's why a second account is not needed if you end up having the same score i.e Kaogum.
And it's only valuable if the player plays regularly with his 2 accounts.

But most of second accounts are used to have the other one sleeping in the top rankings.
i.e : superamsel, Schwyzer Toni, Ritter Armin, Blackpearlbeauty (aka EnergizerhÄschen) that sneaked to number 1 or failed Twisted Evil to reach it after coming out of hibernation.

Other example : Danipo was sleeping at 1697 after an awesome streak. Now both accounts are around 1510...Not sure 1697 was the right ranking then. Pretty sure he'd be regularly back at 1600 though.


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-) Deception1: the question is how the second account is handled. You can use a name very similar to your first account name. I used Angel345 back then, when there only was one ranking (the overall one). Everybody new automatically about it and nobody was deceived.

-) Deception2: when a strong player steps into your game and won't recognize you, simply tell him who you are Wink



3-4 players out of 100 second accounts would say who they really are unfortunately. Not all the players would do it openly like you.

[Updated on: Wed, 06 July 2011 17:42]

      
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Re:Second accounts Wed, 06 July 2011 22:37
[quote title=Sysyphus schrieb am Wed, 06 July 2011 17:14]
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And why not then creating a ranking by age, height, couples Love Razz , colour of your underwear Laughing ?



Errrrm. What if you usually don't play ttr with underwear? Any chance to get the number One in the naked-ttr-ranking? Laughing

Just kidding. I guess everything is said with Sysys post.
      
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Re:Second accounts Thu, 07 July 2011 10:17
Sysyphus schrieb am Wed, 06 July 2011 17:14

...You can therefore play unranked...

Correct, I didn't think about that yesterday Smile
However, there is no codex for playing ranked or unranked, and so many (bold) players play too much ranked and therefore drop their rankings to where they don't belong.

Sysyphus schrieb am Wed, 06 July 2011 17:14

You use tennis as a comparaison. Is there any specific ranking for Clay, Grass, Grand Slam, Indoor, ReboundAce, HardCourt ?
No, only overall number 1 does matter and exist.

In tennis, the overall number 1 means a lot, because only tourneys count, and big tourneys (where all stars play, because of the money) count more.
In T2R, we have a couple of rankings, but I'm not pleased with any of them. Our overall ranking doesn't mean much imho. A ranking for tourney games would please me much more, especially if the (to be invented) "ranking points" would be higher for tourney with many (and strong) participants Wink

[Updated on: Thu, 07 July 2011 10:20]

      
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Second accounts Wed, 17 August 2011 13:20

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Re:Second accounts Wed, 17 August 2011 15:37
So Sysyphus gets to play your (oxtrexi) highest rated account and other top players risk to lose more by playing your lower ranked account? How is that fair?

Why is it so difficult for all you people to just have one account with a name that stays the same?

Experimenting with second accounts, saving your points, it's all just an example of showing you only care about your own achievements, that the rankings are just some list of random scores of worldwide entities you don't acknowledge as real players. It's about your rank, your high score, the number of accounts you can get in the top x.

edit ps.

- oxtrexi was explaining how he has 4 accounts (ailoli, GSV3 and thib...) and how he has an agreement with Sysyphus only to play him with his highest account.

- I just counted the number of "I" in Koagum's post: 56

- If you all respect other players, respect the rankings, and don't cheat as you say: play one accoun, stand for who you are.

[Updated on: Wed, 17 August 2011 19:27]

      
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Re:Second accounts Wed, 17 August 2011 16:15
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Re:Second accounts Wed, 17 August 2011 18:47
Bummer, I missed all the fun here !

Can someone share the outdated popcorn ?
      
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Re:Second accounts Wed, 17 August 2011 19:01
...just grow it yourself, or ask gff for help!

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Re:Second accounts Thu, 18 August 2011 17:09
Some background first

My progression as a player:
Initially I just played some games, won some, lost some, but didn't really understand what was going on. Then I read through some forum posts, found out how others looked at the game and modified my approach. At the time I was probably about 1100. I alternated, gaining 100 ELO one week, stagnant the next until I hit 1400. At this point I switched from multis to 2-player, went up another 100 points and stalled for a bit. Also at this time I started playing a smaller pool of players, some of whom I had read on the forum, and most of whom had good manners. The climb to 1600 was slow, but I made it. I settled in, spending most of my time between 1610 and 1660, good but not elite, and started posting. Games switched from being anonymous to being between people. The game now involved chats in the lobby, forum exchanges, pms, friendships, angstgegners and tournaments. The people playing the game were surprisingly considerate and genuinely fun. Through some accident, TtR avoided most of the hostility found in other games. I thrived in a world with psteinx, erps, bassie, thadd, spud, shamo, kid, dea, kotay, toutoune, and many others. It was a wonderful time for me. Then came all sorts of troubling instances from vegas to dennis to faked deaths to cheating. The online personas went from being transparent to being masks. I switched to other games, most of which I find I play anonymously. Nowadays I am blowing things up at World of Tanks, but no game has held me for as long as TtR did, so I doubt I'll be there much longer. I don't post in the forums of these other games or spend time chatting. It has turned into an outlet for a need to play games, and nothing else.

Personally, I find that second accounts change the dynamic of the game by creating another barrier between the people playing the game. At one time the community here was good (contentious, kind, fractured, loving, aggravating, ...) and fun. More so than any other game I have run into. Second accounts are one reason why that changed for me, and the community became a stranger to me (and I to it).
      
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Re:Second accounts Thu, 18 August 2011 19:28
As they say on-line:
THIS

I wasn't there in the early days, but this was obviously much better written than my post.
      
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Re:Second accounts Thu, 18 August 2011 21:56
Brilliant post Zeno! I could not have said it better Very Happy
      
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Re:Second accounts Fri, 19 August 2011 02:15
Yes, Zeno's post is very well written indeed.

Though :

1°) Baron might be disappointed you didn't quote him at all. He was really the symbol of the normal carebears life reigning at that time. (not mentionning the single-account standard)

2°) Community has grown like crazy, especially with the I-pad application. Harder for a hard core of players to be visible and to establish links in a larger crowd. The more people, the more indivualistic you are.
The more commercial the game is, the more people act like customers too. Maybe less passion in it.

3°) The community still exists and is still alive despite all the crap. And next NC might be its last chance. With a strong TD like Sven, there's hope.
It depends also how the community acts in that crucial moment.
Understandable some of you are tired of it, have no energy left for it...
I and some others still have... let's be optimistic even if we'll probably never find back this cosy lobby where everyone knows each other.


(I wasn't there either in the early days, 2004-2006 weren't the only golden years either... Arriving later like Sven, we both, among others, establish strong links of friendship with some players, or even more than that Wink )

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Re:Second accounts Fri, 19 August 2011 07:10
Zeno schrieb am Thu, 18 August 2011 17:09

Then came all sorts of troubling instances from vegas to dennis to faked deaths to cheating (EVEN IN YOUR BELOVED NC TOURNEY!!!)... At one time the community here was good (contentious, kind, fractured, loving, aggravating, ...) and fun. Second accounts are one reason why that changed for me, and the community became a stranger to me.

Clap clap Mr Zeno! Great post! For me personally the last NC was my last NC (some of you might already know), like in the past I do not feel confident about the NC-game-system. The anonymity of the web has formed this community to what it is right now: a bunch of players of whom nobody knows when the next crooked player appears or develops... As Sysy announced, the NC 2011 is the last chance for you all - but honestly, imho the lobby lost its face two or three years ago...
      
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Re:Second accounts Fri, 19 August 2011 21:49
we will be selling outdated popcorn that gff grew and has been storing in his silo in iowa since 2008 at all 2011 nations cup matches to any spectators who request it for $15 per tiny bag

      
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Re:Second accounts Sat, 20 August 2011 12:15
hello

15 Dollars = 10,10 euro

1 bag for me including transport
      
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Re:Second accounts Thu, 01 December 2011 19:03
Community, FYI

EUT manchester united has 3 accounts being used for rankings manipulation

i suggest we all ignore him / her until this situation is resolved

EUT manchester united is 39 of his last 40 vs EUT therock i believe

you can check this easily in the history

sorry manchester, very dubious and unnacceptable

regards all,

blubes
      
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Re:Second accounts Thu, 01 December 2011 21:01
Thx blubes for the notice...

Like I was saying in the lobby, a couple days after that account appeared, 21st of sept., guy (The Rock, swordman22 at the time) was able to block and end fast with 6ers in a top US multi (and 1550 within 30 games Laughing Laughing Laughing).

I asked him about his skills... Answer was : "I was playing a few years ago, I don't remember neither the name of my previous account nor my password" (translation courtesy of womble in the middle of a multi ).

+ That guy was able to compete with Truck, blubes and I for his 1st multi euro... Laughing Laughing and beat Knockando for its 1st swiss game and womble for his 4th...

Best of the best...

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Re:Second accounts Thu, 01 December 2011 21:39
go for 6 months at nr 1 sysy, i dare you

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Re:Second accounts Fri, 02 December 2011 03:47
Sysyphus wrote on Thu, 01 December 2011 20:01


+ That guy was able to compete with Truck, blubes and I for his 1st multi euro... Laughing Laughing and beat Knockando for its 1st swiss game and womble for his 4th...

Best of the best...


Ahem... forgetting someone? King He hasn't beat King Will at NC/euro/swiss/1910 etc yet! To be the best you gotta beat me! Not even Felix can do that on a regular basis! Razz Razz Razz You're all just amateurs 'til you can contend with the W-man...
      
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Re:Second accounts Fri, 02 December 2011 09:33
.... who has the amazing result of 4 wins and 5 losses this NC and is writing stupid postings, instead of answering pm`s to find a time to play.
      
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Re:Second accounts Fri, 02 December 2011 09:40
Will vs Felix - Oooh yeah wrote on Fri, 02 December 2011 03:47

Sysyphus wrote on Thu, 01 December 2011 20:01


+ That guy was able to compete with Truck, blubes and I for his 1st multi euro... Laughing Laughing and beat Knockando for its 1st swiss game and womble for his 4th...

Best of the best...


Ahem... forgetting someone? King He hasn't beat King Will at NC/euro/swiss/1910 etc yet! To be the best you gotta beat me! Not even Felix can do that on a regular basis! Razz Razz Razz You're all just amateurs 'til you can contend with the W-man...



Truck - Will: 6-0 if I remember correctly, all extremely easy and playing while slightly intoxicated...

ps. EUT The Rock wrote me a PM after I kicked him out of my game. Was 14 yo, played 5 years ago (though his writing certainly didn't match that of a 14yo), but forgot his name and pw. Then I got another PM from EUT Man Utd with a lot of sucking up and how they were friends and lots of more blahblah. I offered to make my public apology if I could indeed see who I was dealing with on Facebook. "No, can't do that". The whole thing is just sick.

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Re:Second accounts Fri, 02 December 2011 13:34
yes truck, you and kostas can both consider yourself ok' players Razz
      
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Re:Second accounts Tue, 20 December 2011 13:45
Oops I did it again!

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Re:Second accounts Thu, 09 February 2012 09:26
Long time I've not been reading this topic Smile

And I'd love to add one more (loooong) post about 2nd account , even if I'm not using mine anymore.


-At first, "I" would like to say to Truck , that I'm french , and I used a lot of "I" indeed, cause maybe that was easier for me to explain things this way in english and because I was defending my particular case and not defending other people that would use a second account without telling who they are , or not giving a sh.. to why they are using it for.
So maybe , instead of calling it sellfish or disrespectfull way of playing, and pointing my 56 "I" with the finger ... you should read what we say and not being that much categorical in this page that deserves a better argumentation rather than your too much general point of vew, that is putting all 2nd accounts players in the same bag.

- secondly, I agree that second accounts could affect the value of the ranking page, and create unfair little differences between those who have one and those who have two accounts.

That's why rules would be hard to be set even for honest second account players , in the case you would all try to tolerate them more.


-Thirdly, for me the only reason why I still wanted to use this account is : I was looking at high ranked players as Sysy , choosing their games , only playing 15 or 16+ games.
That means = playing 16+ game , or not playing , or playing unranked. right ?

The thing is I had the will to play a lot. even when there were no one with such rank to play with...


So what were my options ?
_Not playing : no , I really wanted to play , even if I still wanted to reach first place of the ranking.

_playing unranked : I did it a lot , but then I could'nt play with the 1300+ 1400+ that were there playing ranked multis....
and though I was playing with bad players , playing slow...etc

_playing ranked 1300+ multi players : why not ... but then I'm risking more points with people who are not playing badly, in a game that implies luck.

Meanwhile some top players who have only one account have the opportunity to choose their games ; probably because they are playing less, or at better hours , or because they are not only playing multi games.


Multi is the game I like to play: is it my fault if there are not enough players on this site playing multis ? and though, not enough high ranked multi games ?


Maybe I could have resumed all this....lol

Anyway , I stopped playing with my second account , don't really know why... I guess, I don't care much about this now that I trained 2ers enough , and reached number one during 5 minutes Razz (not thanks to my second account by the way, cause I'm regulary reaching 1700 without it = therefore agreeing with sysy that I didn't need this account after all.... even by playing 14+games.... that are sadly very delicate to play when u reach 1700....)

And also because I understood the valuable arguments against second accounts , even if, while I was still using this kaogummie account, I had the feeling I was not doing anything wrong.

Now that I am not using it anymore, I feel like the ones who still do or start using second accounts are probably using it for wrong reasons : like cheating , keeping sleeping high ranked account ( but for that it's good that the account gets hidden if you don't play no ?) ... well I'm half against and half not against it.

>>>I'm well placed to understand the reasons that lead people to use those and make them feel they're doing no arm.
(feeling they're doing no arm = _not noticing that TTR is a communauty with a fragile balance that is going better if everyone care of what could be the ideal spirit of it; _and a feeling that second account is a choice up to anyyone to have, and in that sense they don't understand why people care about them.)

Are you really disrespectfull when you don't see or understand where is the disrespect in what you do ?
Not an excuse to keep a second account, but I'm trying to show the stupid hole that separate the both points of vew)
(hole ou fossé , la flemme d'aller chercher la formulation adequate)



Wanna count the number of "I" in this one truck ? I think there are many. "I AM" the most selfish girl player of all TTR!! Twisted Evil Razz
      
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