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Nations Cup: TD Thread Sat, 27 August 2011 21:31
Dear all,

I will post any official comments or rulings in this thread.

Please read the rules of the NC in the forum or on Tickipedia.

Also, please note the following:

- I have a very low tolerance for BS. According to the rules I will act as follows: 1. Warning 2. Loss of Game 3. Loss of Match 4. Disqualification. If deemed reasonable, I will skip any of those steps.

- I will interpret the rules as I interpret them or as I feel the intention of the rule is

- In any situation where there is no rule, but an issue arises, I will act with reasonable common sense

- All captians should have the full name and e-mail address of their team members

- Any indication I or the board have about second accounts shall be resolved by an open statement of the team captain about second accounts of a team player

- Players convicted of cheating in the past cannot play NC

- Team captains who have been reprimanded for dubious behavior in the past cannot be team captain again.

- Players should make a reasonable effort to learn the rules and deal with their opponents in a constructive way.

- If the board doesn't agree with the way I handle things, they can dismiss me. No hard feelings. Up to that point things will be as I've written above.

- The board can handle any issue where I'm invloved or any issue where a Dutch player is involved beyond the group stage.

Furthermore I would like to add:

- It is a player's responsibility to uphold his/her reputation here. If you act in ways that make this community lose trust, that's your problem.

- If you have issues with your opponent, with scheduling, please
notify me, don't write in the forum.

- The games shall be played between 2 players on the board. Don't try gaming your opponent, the community or the TD outside the board.


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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sat, 03 September 2011 19:32
With regards to the entry of John D-2 763534 for team BIP :

John D-2 aka John D aka ClaySmasher aka Uguysarefukcnhomos will not be allowed to play because of cheating, use of profanities and overall untrustworthyness. John D's original account had already been closed down by DoW.

I would furthermore like to mention that it baffles me that all other team members of team BIP seem to be ignorant of the situation or not caring enough and that they were apparently going to be on a team with this guy.
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sat, 03 September 2011 19:42
With regards to to team BIP and its proposed captain Blubes:

Blubes will not be allowed to be captain of a team for the following reasons:

- Having John D2 in the line-up and not taking responsibility to find out more about this player.

- For playing his second account rated, then promising to stop doing that, followed by playing ten more ranked games

BIP blubes wrote on Sat, 09 January 2010 07:39


in the future it would be best for any games played between accounts held or used by the same player to play all games unranked so as not to cause an unfair rankings change - in the future you will not see any blubes vs michael mr games ranked (thanks to trucker and 2 cutter for making me realize this error)



http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/gamehistory/?playerid=466985& amp;year=2010&noaborted=true&game=TT_us&start=20 &count=20

- For playing a highly dubious game with his second account and then mistakenly exposing himself as the player behind that account

http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/msg/?goto=180184#msg_180184

- For entering 2Cutter's and MiguelMarques' games numerous times, simply to annoy them when asked explicitly never to do that again.
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sat, 03 September 2011 23:56
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 09:58
With regards to second accounts:

Although I'm certainly not a fan of second accounts, I don't think we've reached a point yet where we only allow players who have 1 account. According to the rules, you should play with your highest ranked account, so that basically covers it.

I would just like point out what I wrote initially:
"Any indication I or the board have about second accounts shall be resolved by an open statement of the team captain about second accounts of a team player"

Now, I've had a lot of questions about GSV and his 4 accounts. As far as I'm concerned, he's made it very clear that he has 4 accounts (previously owned by his wife and two children, hence the games between them in the past), so that's ok with me. I would just like to ask GSV to simply abandon the other 3 accounts, in stead of clogging the rankings for his own amusement.

The real problem I have is with mistery second accounts and recently some more seem to be popping up in the top 100. I think a lot of people suspected Deveric to be Mastermind, Sirius and wismerel (I certainly did), but things were left as they were and neither his team members, his captain or the TD openly confronted him about it.

Do you know who your team members are ?




    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 12:20
Correction: I just went through some of GSV3's history.

In 2009 GSV is losing almost all games against aioli (53-5 on the first 7 pages: http://www.daysofwonder.com/en/gamehistory/ /en/gamehistory/ ?playerid=529935&game=TT&year=2009&noaborted=tru e )
and oxtrexi. Oxtrexi winning almost all games against aioli.
Now all three of them have 1640 ?

What's the deal here ? Can UKB and or GSV pls explain ?

    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 12:30
Hi Trucker.
In 2009, the situation was as follows:
oxtrexi=my account (Vincent)
aioli=my wife
GSV=children
So, no real surprise if oxtrexi won most of the games against aioli and GSV, and aioli against GSV.
Is this clear now?
Best regards,
Vincent (GSV accounts).
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 15:08
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 18:22
JohnD 2 had 3 previous accounts banned from DOW :

Clay Smasher :

http://www.daysofwonder.com/fr/gamehistory/?playerid=604164& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;game=TT&year=2010&noaborted=true



The CHosen One :

http://www.daysofwonder.com/fr/usrinfo/?id=660711

John D :

http://www.daysofwonder.com/fr/usrinfo/?id=720984




We never had any open statement from that guy he had more than one account, no open apologies for having insulted 100% the players he played. Not mentioning that he knows the passwords of 2 accounts of Clay Master / Pete Mitchell...


We are trying to give NC a last chance. That guy has already used, at least, 4 chances. Easy to beg once you realize your skills allow you to help a team in a tourney.

Then, no need to risk having trouble with some players.


We have someone pretty sharp, using the precautionary principle before the tourney, we should be happy with it.

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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 19:15
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 19:59
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 20:03
The Kid, I'm pretty sure you don't like me...but FINALLY someone writes something on this forum that is actually reasonable. Thank you. I felt the exact same way when you asked Sys to show where JohnD actually cheats and he rambles on about bad words and being mean. Give me a break!

Sys, you are a LIAR. A blatant LIAR. I just spoke with JohnD on the phone, and he read me a message or post that you made. It claimed ClayMaster used ClaySmasher's account to boost his rating. It claimed ClaySmasher spies on games for ClayMaster so he can cheat. It claims ClayMaster's account was reset to 1400. These are total lies. ClaySmasher was my roommate, and he created that account name to mock me. Insinuating that he will "smash" or beat me when we play against each other. We are as competitive as can be against one another, and there is no way in h e ll either of us would let the other win. ClaySmasher was banned from DoW for using foul language, and he created other accounts, that were banned, that ultimately lead to JohnD-2.

The Kid, you'll have to talk to Trucker about Sys' accusations. He seems to be the Kepper of the Gate and Mr. Morality himself.

Trucker, you made the comment, "I would furthermore like to mention that it baffles me that all other team members of team BIP seem to be ignorant of the situation or not caring enough and that they were apparently going to be on a team with this guy." IT'S CALLED WINNING! THEY WANT TO WIN! Why do you care who is on BIP's team? You aren't a member. Let me get this straight, you go through team lineups and decide if you like someone and if they are eligible for the tournament? And you compete in the tournament as well? This doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Lastly, ClayMaster is PeteMitchell. I created the account because I was on so many ignore lists because of these BS accusations about cheating and being ClaySmasher/H o m o s/JohnD. I never knew everyone got so bent out of shape about a second account. I don't use it anymore, nor have I ever cheated with it....or cheated by any other means for that matter.

And one more thing, maybe y'all should change the name of the event to the Invitational Cup, or the Select Few Cup, or the Yeah, We Like You Cup.

And Trucker, don't bother using your All Power and letting me know that I am banned, we all know you wouldn't "approve" a team if I was on it.
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 20:08
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sun, 04 September 2011 21:21
This is getting out of control. How can sysphus and trucker make cheating accusations against me with no proof whatsoever? For all who have ever played me, they know damn well I create games that are CLOSED and require a password to enter.

I am not going to deny that I have had past accounts and been kicked out by Dow. I am not going to deny that I have used inappropriate language. BUT I AM NOT A CHEATER. Those are all false claims and there is zero proof. I am not gonna sit here and let sysyphys and trucker ruin my integrity.

Johnd-2 had made an effort to improve his attitude and equitette over the past couple of months, which many opponents should be able to attest to.

I cannot believe that tournament participants allow trucker to make decisions on who gets to play, then tells blubes he is forbidden from being a captain just cause he selected me on the team? I MEAN COME ON!! Are you guys consulting the North Korean government in your decision making process?

This tournament is supposedto be the best from each country, and if u check the rankings, I have earned my way onto team USA.

If I am not allowed to play, I am hereby calling for the resignation of Trucker as TD for his unfair decision making, and I am calling for the ban of sysphus from the tournament for making multiple false accusations and putting the integrity of another player at risk.
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Mon, 05 September 2011 00:44
OK!

Enough from everyone. Frankly, the content I have just read disappoints me.

1. JohnD-2 was disallowed because he has a suspension from DoW. That rule was explicit and the situation was admitted.
2. The other accusations had NO PLACE in this decision and therefore should not have been made public.
3. After the two posts involving John D-2 and Blubes, I was made aware of the situation. Blubes and I switched roles. I began sending PRIVATE MESSAGES to Truck, Sysyphus, Blubes, John D-2 and others.

I am disappointed in Truck bringing out points that had no place being made public. thanks to Sysyphus for removing a post - can youd remove the other as well?
I am disappointed in John D-2 for not allowing me to do the job I was asked to do and not considering that I can not be online 24-7. My thanks to thekid for deleting his posts.
my thanks to john D-2 for responding to my PM
I am disappointed that I have not gotten answers to specific details at this point - but I was willing to give people the time to BE ONLINE before we started a nice little fire.
I am disappointed that people will continue to hold grudges and not allow that people can be taught, can learn and can change.
I am also disappointed in people who think this is fun - to degrade the entire event into name calling, accusations, innuendo and whatever else.

It's really too bad some of you couldn't allow me some time to work with this further.

I have one option that may serve.

I request that each of you who has posted on this (beef, johnd-2 remove your own posts). Then, let us work it out.
I request that truck edit his post to simply state that a prior suspension by DoW disqualifies johnD-2 for this year.
I also request that in addition to having solid rules for conduct and punishment for same, we have guidelines that allow people a chance at redemption. And before you all jump down my throat that some people do not deserve it - think for a second about how your comments will look - and think about how many good players and good people you will alienate.

Rob
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Mon, 05 September 2011 02:28
One question to TD

RULES

"Players convicted of cheating in the past cannot play NC"

Not sure which is the definition of cheating.

Playing a 2nd account that u and boost your score is cheating or not? Cause i see players lined up that have made it...Just checking the definition of cheating

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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Mon, 05 September 2011 07:10
Je pense que le message de Rob est le plus sensé que j'ai lu depuis que je joue aux Aventuriers du Rail.

La NC est une compétition, bien sûr, mais doit avant tout être un jeu et un plaisir.

Les règles existent pour donner un cadre à la compétition, pas pour permettre à certains de se défouler.

Je suis triste et déçu que même après la lecture du message de Rob demandant la paix, certains préfèrent s'occuper de leurs rancunes personnelles plutôt que de penser au plaisir de tous les autres joueurs.


I think Rob's message is the most sensible I've read since I play Ticket to Ride.

NC is a competition, of course, but should be a game and a pleasure above all.

The rules exist to provide a framework for competition, not to allow some to let off steam.

I am sad and disappointed that even after reading the message from Rob asking for peace, some prefer to take care of their personal grudges rather than thinking about the enjoyment of all other players.

    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Thu, 08 September 2011 13:37
Dear all,

After seeing all the interesting posts and some discussions I've had with the organizers and some teamcaptains, I think it's best to state that this thread is for the TD, the organizers and team captains only.

If you wish to ask for my dismissal, wish to quote me while leaving out 90% of what I wrote, wish to ask a question, wish to compliment me or anything else, please contact your team-captain or possibly write me a PM.

Alternatively you can start a thread about why the TD is the antichrist or why you wish you could marry me and have my babies or both. I have no problem with any comment, just refrain from posting them here, clogging this official thread.
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sat, 10 September 2011 12:50
Hi all, UKB captain Will here...

I'll throw my opinion in... Sorry it is long.

I've read every comment on all relevant threads... and I'll explain how I dealt with GSV in my team and where I think some players are going wrong and what is going well.

Now, firstly, and I doubt people can disagree... Truckerteller or Sven is an honest player, no second accounts, no reason to question his motives. He is doing a pretty much thankless task in a minefield of politics. His task is to try and make sure there are no cheating accounts and that the rules are followed. He has to take information, often patchy (like past playing history) and use this to form an opinion of whether cheating has occurred. I don't think Trucker will get this correct 100% of the time and I don't think anyone possibly can do - but all you can ask for is a TD who is knowledgable and tries their best in the interests of the NC and I believe Sven is doing this. I think anyone calling for him to resign would be damaging the NC.

There seems to be some controversies, but from what I can gather, every player involved in these has given the TD some reason for their integrity to be questioned. That is your own fault. I agree accusations need much proof, and if you feel you have been wrongly misjudged then you have a right to speak out, but that should be firstly with the TD privately, and if this fails then a board vote should occur, with your case fairly presented. I doubt trucker would argue with that, and indeed encourage it... Some tough decisions out there, and for them to rest with one person is incredibly difficult... A cheating account is hardly going to make it easy for trucker to prove guilty. I also believe any decisions trucker makes are independent to his participation... He is an honest player trying to bring some integrity to this competition. PLease help him rather than moan publicly in the forum at the first instance something doesnt go entirely your way...

In my instance, I found out GSV had multiple accounts and that they had previously played each other. I searched the past games history of a new NC player in my own time and sent this to the TD (unknowing to GSV) for discussion, as per the NC rules. I had checked out all new players in my team (which Blubes presumably hadn't). I read the rules... you can too... rule 16 (not word for word) is 'players with more than one account must play their strongest' which is interpreted by anyone as - people with multiples can enter but with their highest. I cannot prove or disprove whether GSV has manipulated his score or not, but has from day 1 been honest in saying he had more than one account and they arent hidden - big GSV in front of them. He spoke to trucker and explained his position (wife and kids' accounts previously) and if this is good enough for trucker then I am not going to accuse anything. I brought the topic up! If trucker had disqualified GSV it would have been no shame or lost-face on my behalf - I had followed the procedure to the letter. I brought up the topic of GSV before anyone with a risk of losing a player from my team...

(Edited after speaking to Blubes) Interestingly, I assumed Blubes didn't check on his team, which it should be agreed he really needed to. I had John D blocked for abusive language, something I think the TtR world has no space for... I agree with trucker to remove JohnD2 on those grounds alone. TtR is not an adult-only game, there are children on the site, which is fantastic for TtR's future and the kind of language John D was coming out with was enough for a thick-skinned 23 year old to block him. Having been banned from DoW he shouldn't compete. I'd vote on that. However, (without further evidence) I couldn't say he cheated (ie spied on his own games or colluded etc). If Blubes is removed from captaincy for having a second account with *potential* discrepancies or a less than spotless reputation then fair enough, but is having an abusive player enough to be removed from power? There are plenty of BIP members that are experienced enough to take over captaincy and continue a very strong entry and most importantly have fun! I like blubes a lot and play vs him loads and would still really like to compete vs him in the NC, whatever his position! Personally, for me blubes, if you own a second account that has played against itself ranked in any capacity you are leaving yourself open to criticism and dispute and therefore should not be allowed to captain a team. The less there is for someone to question you the better... From what I've read so far it seems that keeping a solid reputation is vital to the success of this tournament. I hope you put this behind you and have a great tournament! GFF is trying to resolve things correctly through the recommended channels, calmly. Good luck with that! I appreciate you trying to do that even if nobody else does!

To all - try and follow the rules before this thread ends up as a B itching session! This tournament should be fun and enjoyed, as a first-time NCer I was really looking forward to it , but this is taking away some of the fun/magic.

In conclusion... what I believe, as a meagre level-headed NC newbie, is for a board vote on the most public controversies:
Claysmasher/Claymaster
JohnD2
GSV (if enough people want to, I'll follow any suggestions whether it affects my team or not...)
Blubes' captaincy

These issues are out there and will not go away now. If anything goes to a board vote, please respect the verdict and let the result stay... Captains/reps are out there to make this tournament fair and a success, not a political vendetta...

I think from there-on all further problems should be attempted to be resolved through PM's with the TD as per the rules... Try and be more like GFF!

Please try guys! And remember... I'll say it again... Truckerteller is doing a pretty much thankless task in a minefield of politics, and trying his best to get everything correct. Please show some respect.

Will



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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Sat, 10 September 2011 14:33
* Nearly thankless...

Thanks for your hard work trucker Smile
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Mon, 12 September 2011 18:33
Quote:

Johnd-2 had made an effort to improve his attitude and equitette over the past couple of months, which many opponents should be able to attest to.


and yet again... should be banned... I'd be arrested if I said that in public...

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8961/picture3xl.png

Please can DoW ban this player for good?!?!

May I suggest blubes or another team member asks him to adjust his name? Doesn't look good on BIP...

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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Tue, 13 September 2011 17:47
Done.
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Tue, 13 September 2011 18:17
Already a new account (at least 4th now)for him :

PeterMitchell turned into BIP JohnD-2 :

http://www.daysofwonder.com/fr/usrinfo/?id=809692
    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Tue, 13 September 2011 23:45
You will never get rid of me. If I have to pay $1000 to play on here i will. Yep i called amateir a n%$%#. did u happen to see that amateir was first to post calling me white trash? What is so different between calling a white person "white trash" and a black person a "n#$%$"? Im not gonna sit here and take that crap from that kind of player. You didnt see me whining to DOW now did you? You can go ahead and get me banned as many times as you all wish, but BIP johnd-2 is here to stay.


My wishlist:

Blubes and BIP beat all u pansies in the NC

Ommnie realizes what a homo sysyphus is, divorces him, and deports him back to where he came from

UKB Will NC Champs 11: really? thats gonna be your name? get a life, and no one gives a crap about your long-winded response on here

    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Tue, 13 September 2011 23:47
BIP johnD-2 wrote on Tue, 13 September 2011 23:45

You will never get rid of me. If I have to pay $1000 to play on here i will. Yep i called amateir a n%$%#. did u happen to see that amateir was first to post calling me white trash? What is so different between calling a white person "white trash" and a black person a "n#$%$"? Im not gonna sit here and take that crap from that kind of player. You didnt see me whining to DOW now did you? You can go ahead and get me banned as many times as you all wish, but BIP johnd-2 is here to stay.


My wishlist:

Blubes and BIP beat all u pansies in the NC

Ommnie realizes what a homo sysyphus is, divorces him, and deports him back to where he came from

UKB Will NC Champs 11: really? thats gonna be your name? get a life, and no one gives a crap about your long-winded response on here



    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Tue, 13 September 2011 23:48
BIP ClayMaster wrote on Sun, 04 September 2011 20:03

The Kid, I'm pretty sure you don't like me...but FINALLY someone writes something on this forum that is actually reasonable. Thank you. I felt the exact same way when you asked Sys to show where JohnD actually cheats and he rambles on about bad words and being mean. Give me a break!

Sys, you are a LIAR. A blatant LIAR. I just spoke with JohnD on the phone, and he read me a message or post that you made. It claimed ClayMaster used ClaySmasher's account to boost his rating. It claimed ClaySmasher spies on games for ClayMaster so he can cheat. It claims ClayMaster's account was reset to 1400. These are total lies. ClaySmasher was my roommate, and he created that account name to mock me. Insinuating that he will "smash" or beat me when we play against each other. We are as competitive as can be against one another, and there is no way in h e ll either of us would let the other win. ClaySmasher was banned from DoW for using foul language, and he created other accounts, that were banned, that ultimately lead to JohnD-2.

The Kid, you'll have to talk to Trucker about Sys' accusations. He seems to be the Kepper of the Gate and Mr. Morality himself.

Trucker, you made the comment, "I would furthermore like to mention that it baffles me that all other team members of team BIP seem to be ignorant of the situation or not caring enough and that they were apparently going to be on a team with this guy." IT'S CALLED WINNING! THEY WANT TO WIN! Why do you care who is on BIP's team? You aren't a member. Let me get this straight, you go through team lineups and decide if you like someone and if they are eligible for the tournament? And you compete in the tournament as well? This doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Lastly, ClayMaster is PeteMitchell. I created the account because I was on so many ignore lists because of these BS accusations about cheating and being ClaySmasher/H o m o s/JohnD. I never knew everyone got so bent out of shape about a second account. I don't use it anymore, nor have I ever cheated with it....or cheated by any other means for that matter.

And one more thing, maybe y'all should change the name of the event to the Invitational Cup, or the Select Few Cup, or the Yeah, We Like You Cup.

And Trucker, don't bother using your All Power and letting me know that I am banned, we all know you wouldn't "approve" a team if I was on it.

    
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Tue, 13 September 2011 23:49
*BIP johnD-2_BANNED wrote on Sun, 04 September 2011 21:21

This is getting out of control. How can sysphus and trucker make cheating accusations against me with no proof whatsoever? For all who have ever played me, they know damn well I create games that are CLOSED and require a password to enter.

I am not going to deny that I have had past accounts and been kicked out by Dow. I am not going to deny that I have used inappropriate language. BUT I AM NOT A CHEATER. Those are all false claims and there is zero proof. I am not gonna sit here and let sysyphys and trucker ruin my integrity.

Johnd-2 had made an effort to improve his attitude and equitette over the past couple of months, which many opponents should be able to attest to.

I cannot believe that tournament participants allow trucker to make decisions on who gets to play, then tells blubes he is forbidden from being a captain just cause he selected me on the team? I MEAN COME ON!! Are you guys consulting the North Korean government in your decision making process?

This tournament is supposedto be the best from each country, and if u check the rankings, I have earned my way onto team USA.

If I am not allowed to play, I am hereby calling for the resignation of Trucker as TD for his unfair decision making, and I am calling for the ban of sysphus from the tournament for making multiple false accusations and putting the integrity of another player at risk.

    
*BIP johnD-2_BANNED*
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Wed, 14 September 2011 15:44
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[Updated on: Thu, 15 September 2011 17:44] by Moderator

    
Goscha
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Wed, 14 September 2011 16:52
Seems that in America you have internet access in padded cells. Rolling Eyes

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SYN Stephan1972
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Wed, 14 September 2011 17:48
Don't feed the trolls - it only encourages them Smile
    
SY/\/ \/\/ill
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Wed, 14 September 2011 19:06
BIP johnD-2 wrote on Wed, 14 September 2011 14:44

Who are you to think you are so high and supreme that you take a guys captaincy away because he let a certain player on his team?


I think you'll find he was unanimously voted into power, including by your team...
    
Maskaride - Vouvray
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Wed, 14 September 2011 22:15

Dont feed that troll ...he"s fat enough Smile
    
AT Tyrana
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Re:Nations Cup: TD Thread Wed, 14 September 2011 22:55
ok sorry but just my 2 cents. Someone copied my signature! Smile
    
   
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