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[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 10:52
To all personal seeking promotion

Since the old thread/topic was poluted a little and a mess sifting through stuff I thought I might start a new one. Built of course on the intelligence already gathered by those who went before me.

So many thanks for everybody who contributed but two I would like to mention especially: Morgiliath for starting the old thread and Mochihead for the summation of what went before.

Let me start by shamelesly quoting Morgiliath:
Morgiliath wrote on Sun, 01 May 2011 15:36

Hi folks,

below you'll find the requirements for promotion. The list is not approved by DoW and it is based on observation and calculation, but in most cases it's solid.

WARNING - THIS IS A SPOILER. IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELVES (MUCH MORE FUN) DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS LINE.

YES, I MEAN THIS LINE.
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First I would also like to state (again using the words provided by Morgiliath) : below you'll find the requirements for promotion. The list is not approved by DoW and it is based on observation and calculation, but in most cases it's solid.

And I will repeat the spoiler line (seriously if you want to find out for yourself dont read any further. Personally I m mor of a team player on this kind of thing so let's find out what is going on. Smile ) :
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And here is a new start, let the intelligence gathering start!
Dow says:
DOW on officer rank: Second Lieutenant

You've shown your mettle by leading your men to victory at least 3 times, and managing to survive to tell the tale!

This means: you need to win 3 victories against human players


DOW on officer rank: First Lieutenant

Your victories as Allied Commander-in-Chief are becoming well known. Equally important is your newfound knowledge of the enemy's maneuvers.

This means: 5 wins as Axis and 5 as Allies. this includes the victories earned as a cadet, so if you earn victories evenly you can promote on your 10th overall victory


DOW on officer rank: Captain

By now you're beginning to think you've seen it all. Knowledge of the enemy's tactics come close to being second nature for you.
Your superb tactics and growing sense of command have also helped win the day in a battle where many others failed before you.

This means: 8 wins as Axis and 8 as Allies and victory as Axis at Arnhem or as Allies at First Landing. If you already have the required victories before you earn the medal, the promotion occurs at the end of the next match (win or lose). like 1LT, this counts previous victories.


DOW on officer rank: Major

Word at HQ is that you've scored well over a dozen victories against a variety of opponents. This certainly seems to be true, judging from the ribbons and awards you collected!

We think this means: 20 wins after promotion to CPT. unlike the other ranks this doesn't factor in previous victories.
(There might be more to it, see discussion started in post two.)



From here on out it gets more vague but here goes:
DOW on officer rank: Lieutenant Colonel

The promotion from Major to Lieutenant-Colonel is one long slog. Those that make it have proven they can best their peers, regardless of the Theater of Operations in which they were posted!

What we know for certain: 10 victories as each side (Allies and Axis) in each of the currently (Sept 2011) available theatres (Western, Mediterranean, Easternt, Pacific) - that's 80 victories in total.
But excluding the following scenarios (wins in these scenarios do not count for the 80 victories):
Western: Operation Spring, Operation Goodwood, Utah Beach, Carentan Causeway, Gold Beach
Eastern: Warsaw and Rhez
Mediterranian: Gallabat&Metemma, Montélimar, Toulon, Tunisia and Knightsbridge
Pacific: none known to me

Speculations:
You need to win a certain number of battles against other Majors (your peers)
You need to have played (not won) all scenarios from all sides (Uncertain and maybe already disproved, Some Lt Colonel might shed some light on this. But they are all in the thread about being promoted to Colonel off Course.)
Possibly there is also some tally of aginst how many different ranks you played (and maybe even won?).
This probably all after your previous promotion to Major.




DOW on officer rank: Colonel

Colonels have seen - and won - it all... But the capacity to train new Cadets into Combat is what makes a true leader!

We take this to mean: You need to have won all scenarios from both sides and you need to have played 25 different cadets. All of this after your promotion to Lt Col.

Speculations:
You need to win a specified amount of battles (250 has been suggested but Quit2 made it with 237 games since being promoted Lt. Col.)
Maybe you need wins against all ranks available.
Some cadets need to promote against you (unlikely but prove it wrong and tell us)
You need a specific number of battles against cadets (unlikely but prove it wrong and tell us)

I would be so bald as to reserve this thread to discuss the Major and LTt. Colonel promotions since the thread about Colonel Promotion requirements is still very much alive and kicking.




Anyone who can disprove anything of the above, please do so?

Confrmation is nice too but we are working through this as a proces of elimination (pun intended Smile ) after all.

Personally I think there is also some kind of rank counter involved. DOW wants us to play as much as possible and to help newer players. So If you met the requirements mentioned above but are still not promoted, try playing against different ranks. (And be sure to tell us here.)

Any comments and observations are of course welcome.

[Updated on: Tue, 03 July 2012 06:27]

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 10:57
My own contribution to the Major discussion:
DOW on officer rank: Major

Word at HQ is that you've scored well over a dozen victories against a variety of opponents. This certainly seems to be true, judging from the ribbons and awards you collected!

I promoted to Major on my 20th win after becoming a Captain so that's written in stone I think. Some people were not promoted after their 20th win so I will give some suggestions that aspiring Captains might test:

Dow states: "a dozen victories against a variety of opponents"
I take this to mean:
Play against all ranks below and equal to Captain and win!
If that does not work: play all available ranks
If that does not work: play all available ranks and win!
I don't know if this is a factor but when I was promoted I had played all available ranks and won (at least one).

What's bugging me is: "judging from the ribbons and awards you collected"
I think you would have to have gathered a certain number of Achievements. I cannot help but think they did not put these words in for nothing. Probably most of us have gathered these ribbons and awards in the course of action and did not know that they were good for your Major promotion. Then again I could be totally wrong on this one. Embarassed

For what it's worth: I achieved promotion in a Battle where I won not only my 20th win but also my 15th Achievement.
So if you reached all of the above: 20 wins and the rank stuff and you are still not promoted to Major, try getting those extra achievements.
Those words keep nagging at me in the darker hours of the night. So I now order all Captains with few achievements to first get 20 wins, then play ranks and then get busy stacking up those achievements. That's an order! Razz

Good luck to all you Captains out there!
(Get promoted and boss around Captains like I do, it's fun. Very Happy But take care the brass upstairs doesn't get wind of it, or they'll have my ***) Twisted Evil
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 11:09
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10 victories as each side (Allies and Axis) in each of the currently (Sept 2011)


The month is off here (should be may, when a certain number of battles were not yet published online), as

- neither Rzhev nor Warsaw count on Eastern front in the 10 victories
- none of the following on Mediterranean : Gallabat&Metemma, Montélimar, Toulon, Tunisia, and the late Knightsbridge.

I gather that operation spring and some other western do not count either but since there are a lot of maps on this front this is less likely to affect one's requirements.

Other than that great summary !
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 13:52
hdescavernes wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 11:09

Quote:

10 victories as each side (Allies and Axis) in each of the currently (Sept 2011)


The month is off here (should be may, when a certain number of battles were not yet published online), as

- neither Rzhev nor Warsaw count on Eastern front in the 10 victories
- none of the following on Mediterranean : Gallabat&Metemma, Montélimar, Toulon, Tunisia, and the late Knightsbridge.

I gather that operation spring and some other western do not count either but since there are a lot of maps on this front this is less likely to affect one's requirements.

Other than that great summary !

I confess! I put it like this on purpose. Embarassed
I am hoping they fixed it so that these new scenarios would also count. My reason being that players new tot the game would be increasingly unaware that there are scenarios now that were not there before. It would be very hard for new players to find out for themselves which scenarios do en don't count.
(Minor detail: I also changed the month because Far East became Pacific)

On the bright side: I am going for that promotion at this moment and have wins in Knightsbridge, Operation Spring, Warsaw and Galabat & Mettema. So give me some time and I can probably get some answers/conclusions there.

For people who want to know These are the "not counted" (I am still hoping otherwise) scenarios:
Western: Operation Spring
Eastern: Warsaw and Rhez
Mediterranian: Gallabat&Metemma, Montélimar, Toulon, Tunisia, and the late Knightsbridge
Pacific: none known to me.

For the promotion to Lt. Colonel your previous victories (as Second Lieutenant, First Lieutenant, Captain and Major) do count don't they? I remember reading about it somewhere but can't seem to find it at the moment.

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 13:59
I can guarantee that the maps which don't count...don't count.

What I mean is just before promotion I counted my victories, and if I included these maps I had more than 10 everywhere. Taking rzhev and warsaw away on eastern sent me back to 3 wins short as allies.

Won them, got promoted.

(same thing for mediterranean front).

Intrestingly enough, a Major posted on the french forum that he did have more than 10 everywhere (verified) but still doesn't get promoted. A quick study shows that he never won Pointe-du-hoc as axis. If such a win grants him the promotion we will have identified another requirement.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 15:51
Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 04:57


Good luck to all you Captains out there!
(Get promoted and boss around Captains like I do, it's fun. Very Happy But take care the brass upstairs doesn't get wind of it, or they'll have my ***) Twisted Evil


Twisted Evil Confused Mad

Laughing Great thread. Thanks for keeping the promotion info coming...

I hope that I can start the Brig. General thread soon.

Geoff
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 20:15
Yes sir, Colonel sir, will do sir.


You see guys, making nice with the boys upstairs is always a good idea when they are around.
Don't tell me. Embarassed He is standing right behind me, isn't he. Confused


Very Happy
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 20:25
Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 14:15

Yes sir, Colonel sir, will do sir.


You see guys, making nice with the boys upstairs is always a good idea when they are around.
Don't tell me. Embarassed He is standing right behind me, isn't he. Confused


Very Happy


Nod

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 21:29
hdescavernes wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 13:59


Intrestingly enough, a Major posted on the french forum that he did have more than 10 everywhere (verified) but still doesn't get promoted. A quick study shows that he never won Pointe-du-hoc as axis. If such a win grants him the promotion we will have identified another requirement.

An extra requirement of which I'm almost 100 percent sure, is that your 10 victories on each side of each front, need to be on at least 5 different maps per side per front ...

So you need 10 victories as axis on at least 5 different maps on western front.
So you need 10 victories as allies on at least 5 different maps on western front.
So you need 10 victories as axis on at least 5 different maps on eastern front.
So you need 10 victories as allies on at least 5 different maps on eastern front.
etcetera ...

This (5 different maps) is what prevents alot of people from promoting to lt col when they think they should ...

I have posted this on the french forum too ...

[Updated on: Mon, 12 September 2011 21:30]

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 21:44
Quit2 wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 20:29

hdescavernes wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 13:59


Intrestingly enough, a Major posted on the french forum that he did have more than 10 everywhere (verified) but still doesn't get promoted. A quick study shows that he never won Pointe-du-hoc as axis. If such a win grants him the promotion we will have identified another requirement.

An extra requirement of which I'm almost 100 percent sure, is that your 10 victories on each side of each front, need to be on at least 5 different maps per side per front ...

So you need 10 victories as axis on at least 5 different maps on western front.
So you need 10 victories as allies on at least 5 different maps on western front.
So you need 10 victories as axis on at least 5 different maps on eastern front.
So you need 10 victories as allies on at least 5 different maps on eastern front.
etcetera ...

This (5 different maps) is what prevents alot of people from promoting to lt col when they think they should ...

I have posted this on the french forum too ...



And these are all victories SINCE becoming Major ...
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 23:29
Jaykay2010 écrit le Mon, 12 September 2011 21:44

Quit2 wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 20:29

An extra requirement of which I'm almost 100 percent sure, is that your 10 victories on each side of each front, need to be on at least 5 different maps per side per front ...

So you need 10 victories as axis on at least 5 different maps on western front.
So you need 10 victories as allies on at least 5 different maps on western front.
So you need 10 victories as axis on at least 5 different maps on eastern front.
So you need 10 victories as allies on at least 5 different maps on eastern front.
etcetera ...

This (5 different maps) is what prevents alot of people from promoting to lt col when they think they should ...



And these are all victories SINCE becoming Major ...



Oh no...

I thought it was 10 victories on each side for each theater on 5 differente maps since beginning playing on M44-OL !!

With a requirement of at least 225 or so games played at the minimum.

I have to go check again from the beginning !

You're sure ?
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 23:39
Anyone confirm this? Never heard of the 225 minimum before.

I've got 10 wins, each side, on 5 different maps, each side, in each of 4 Theatres (since starting, not since major).

I have not won Sword Beach nor played St Mere Eglese (sp)
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 12 September 2011 23:39
If I recall correctly, the promotion to Lt. Colonel takes into account career victories. It is the promotion to Colonel in which your previous record does not count as much.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Tue, 13 September 2011 19:11
Quit2 wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 21:29

hdescavernes wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 13:59


Intrestingly enough, a Major posted on the french forum that he did have more than 10 everywhere (verified) but still doesn't get promoted. A quick study shows that he never won Pointe-du-hoc as axis. If such a win grants him the promotion we will have identified another requirement.

An extra requirement of which I'm almost 100 percent sure, is that your 10 victories on each side of each front, need to be on at least 5 different maps per side per front ...

So you need 10 victories as axis on at least 5 different maps on western front.
So you need 10 victories as allies on at least 5 different maps on western front.
So you need 10 victories as axis on at least 5 different maps on eastern front.
So you need 10 victories as allies on at least 5 different maps on eastern front.
etcetera ...

This (5 different maps) is what prevents alot of people from promoting to lt col when they think they should ...

I have posted this on the french forum too ...


That's what you said in the previous thread also but it was contradicted by:
kitstjohn wrote on Sat, 23 July 2011 05:29

Hi Gang,
just made it to Lt Colonel, go team me. Cool
And it is not five distinct scenario victories per side per theatre. I have more disctinct victories (7+) than that in everything except Pacific Axis where I only have 4. So the 10/side/theatre (with certain scenarios in East and Med not counting) seems solid with some other minor requirements that are vague is my guess.
Hope that is helpful,
Kit


So in my humble opinion this frenchie (and other Majors/Commandants) should try the other suggestions first:

You need to win a certain number of battles against other Majors (your peers)
You need to have played (not won) all scenarios from all sides (Uncertain and maybe already disproved, Some Lt Colonel might shed some light on this. But they are all in the thread about being promoted to Colonel off Course.)
Possibly there is also some tally of aginst how many different ranks you played (and maybe even won?)

@--JP Maybe you should try playing (not necessarily winnig) your missing scenario. St Mere Eglese (sp)
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Wed, 14 September 2011 00:18
(sigh) no dice...

Won at St Mere Iglese, and Sword...

will keep plugging away
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Wed, 14 September 2011 00:57
@ --JP
I am pretty certain you read the thread, but on the of chance you did not. If you do not count these scenarios:

Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 13:52

For people who want to know These are the "not counted" (I am still hoping otherwise) scenarios:
Western: Operation Spring
Eastern: Warsaw and Rhez
Mediterranian: Gallabat&Metemma, Montélimar, Toulon, Tunisia, and the late Knightsbridge
Pacific: none known to me.


Do you still have 10 wins everywhere? If not, get them.

If you have, I would recommend playing lots of Majors (and to be safe lots of other ranks to.)


You go where I hope to follow, so keep it up: I am rooting for you: go --JP
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 15 September 2011 01:18
I was reading the description for promotion tot LT Colonel again:
DOW on officer rank: Lieutenant Colonel

The promotion from Major to Lieutenant-Colonel is one long slog. Those that make it have proven they can best their peers, regardless of the Theater of Operations in which they were posted!


And had a thought: you must best your peers regardless of theater. We already know you need a certain number of wins in all theaters, but could it also mean that you have to best Majors in all theaters?

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 15 September 2011 04:18
Quote:

And had a thought: you must best your peers regardless of theater. We already know you need a certain number of wins in all theaters, but could it also mean that you have to best Majors in all theaters?


You might be reading TOO much into that line. I don't think that I accomplished that stipulation and still made it to Colonel.

- Win 250 games
- Get some cadets promoted in games against you
- win every scenario from both sides.

I think you will find this is the certain road.....

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 15 September 2011 04:37
Keep playing, against a variety of players, keep winning games, keep having fun. That's the recipe.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 15 September 2011 08:05
stevens wrote on Thu, 15 September 2011 04:18

Quote:

And had a thought: you must best your peers regardless of theater. We already know you need a certain number of wins in all theaters, but could it also mean that you have to best Majors in all theaters?


You might be reading TOO much into that line. I don't think that I accomplished that stipulation and still made it to Colonel.

- Win 250 games
- Get some cadets promoted in games against you
- win every scenario from both sides.

I think you will find this is the certain road.....



Yes sir, Mr Stevens sir. Smile
I agree that to get to Colonel your approach seems to be the right one.

But some of us are still just Majors out there and struggling to get to LT Colonel. Here we know to get 80 wins (10 from each side in each theatre, and in the original scenarios). I personally have not accomplished this and have some way (and a lot of enjoyment of the game to experience along the way.) But there are/were a few aspiring Majors who have achieved their 80 wins without being promoted. So we are hunting for that elusive requirement to be fulfilled.

Of course just plugging away and battling will gain us promotion, but we are not only gunning for promotion we are also gathering intelligence: knowledge is power! Smile
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 15 September 2011 12:12
I think Phread has it right.

I find personally that I have to play in spurts rather than steady everyday. This also adds to my enjoyment as I look forward to the times I can play maybe 4 -6 games in a row.

And brother, the key is always to have FUN. I know when I have had a losing streak or a bad spell of dice I often need to get away from the game for a few days to put it in perspective (it is a game after all).

Consider this personal advice from an "old" warrior.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 15 September 2011 12:45
First of all, kudoz to Jeronimon for revamping the old thread, as it was indeed getting messy.


As for the colonel promotion, there may be a nasty little trick from DoW.

I mean, are they that insidious? Smile

We (with AIwan) calculated number of games played after promotion to Lt.Col, before promotion to Col.

NOTHING FITS

of course, you need to win every scenario from every side, that's certain, but there must be one other criterion.

We think it may be probability based :/
e.g.

on your 235 match after promotion to Lt.Col. - 1% chance of becoming Col.
236 - 3 %
237 - 5 %
and so on.

it would reach 100% around 270-280, which is the latest anyone got promoted...

what do you think?

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 15 September 2011 14:47
Although I'm not at the Colonel stage yet .. (I'm about 8 wins away from Lt Colonel, watch this space!) .. going by what others have contributed in these threads, I wonder if the missing criterion is based around beating your previous performance in reaching Lt Colonel ..

So once youve won every battle from both sides .. I wonder if you need to improve on SOME scenarios by beating the number of wins you secured as Lt Colonel ...


eg: In going for Colonel lets say I win both sides of 'Breakout at Klin' (which i need to do as the base criterion)... however, let's say previously I only secured 1 win as axis in this scenario during my attempt to reach Lt Colonel, MAYBE I need to better that, and make it 2 wins ... Just a thought ..

This could apply to a few scenario's, none of which are specific, and all of which would be different for each player depending on their Lt Colonel record ..

Im totally guessing, but it's a workable theory, and explains why some people reach Colonel playing many more games than others !
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 15 September 2011 18:05
Making Captain:
I made the wins under the trial, but it still didn't give it to me the next game after buying G.I.s. I got my promotion after my 24th battle. It would be interesting to know if someone made Captain under the free trial (playing only 2-credit games).

Making Lt. Colonel:
I won a lot of games against Majors and nothing happened.

I was looking at the posts in the other thread on how to get to Lt. Colonel and considered that you might have to start from scratch for the 80 wins. Around the time I made Captain, I played a lot of Mediterranean scenarios, so started playing those again, until it finally hit. I haven't done the full analysis, but I don't think I got the full 20 in Med after making Major. Then again it's possible that it resets and counts games from when you get to Captain.

The other thing I did was analyze the record of my friend and 3 others who made Lt. Colonel around or under 300 battles. For the valid Mediterranean scenarios, some didn't get wins in 5 different ones on the Allied side. Interestingly, two made Lt. Col after their 139 win (coincidence?), and there were a lot of scenarios they didn't win (sometimes on neither side). Before I went back to play Med, I started trying to match my buddy's win record (# of wins on each side of a scenario). That would be my suggestion to someone starting out: find someone who made Lt. Colonel on a low number of battles and try to match their wins. When I go back to look again, I'll post if anything jumps out at me.

Jeronimon wrote on Mon, 12 September 2011 07:52


I confess! I put it like this on purpose. Embarassed
I am hoping they fixed it so that these new scenarios would also count. My reason being that players new to the game would be increasingly unaware that there are scenarios now that were not there before. It would be very hard for new players to find out for themselves which scenarios do en don't count.

For people who want to know These are the "not counted" (I am still hoping otherwise) scenarios:
Western: Operation Spring
Eastern: Warsaw and Rhez
Mediterranian: Gallabat&Metemma, Montélimar, Toulon, Tunisia, and the late Knightsbridge
Pacific: none known to me.



I'd just as soon they "locked" these scenarios so only experts can get at them. That would be a strong way for newbies to notice the difference.

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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Sun, 18 September 2011 18:48
SUCCESS!!!

I've made it to Lt Colonel on winning my 80th battle across all four theatres (10 per side per theatre).

I made sure I succeeded on at least FIVE different scenarios on each front, and had a healthy mix of opponents from Cadet to Colonel, (including Majors).

I'm up for the next challenge ... the long path to Colonel awaits !!

PS: Colonel is reached by securing wins on every scenario, from BOTH sides, with at least 15 wins for each side in each theatre? As well as fighting an undetermined number of cadets? One of which must get promoted against you?

If that's right, it's gonna take a while ... Surprised Surprised
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Sun, 18 September 2011 19:59
Congrats, JayKay... still prowling for mine...
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Sun, 18 September 2011 20:31
More news on the Colonel front: long ago I had the 250 games as a Lt. Col. Long ago I had the wins from both sides in every theater. What I didn't have was enough games against cadets - you might see a recent thread where I whined (a bit) about cadets not willing to accept my invitations. Well, I twisted enough arms finally.

Going back thru my career, I counted up the number of cadets I had played as a Lt. Col. Be careful here, because when you review your records on DOW, the opponents' current rank is listed. So in true tedious fashion, I went back thru all the likely opponents you are listed as cadet or who are listed up thru Lieutenant, then checked their history to see if they were cadets during our battle.

Listen, if you're reading this thread, then you're a likely candidate to actually perform such a dreary task. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, I counted 36 individual matches against cadets, 24 of whom were unique opponents. Knowing DOW likes perfect numbers, I'm willing to bet I missed one unique opponent, so I would guess the requirement is you have to play 25 unique cadets. I do not think it has anything to do with the cadets beating you, although over the course of that many unique opponents you are likely to lose a few and a few of your opponents will be in a position to receive their Second Lt. promotion, which did happen against me.

Good luck to all who follow.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 19 September 2011 02:33
I sure hope you're wrong, toddcalu... People should be able to track relevant promotion data directly in their personal career files, without going through a complicated web of cross-links. That would be a huge tedious task, as you well know it.
I leave this to the consideration of DoW's crew.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 19 September 2011 05:19
My big advice for Col. advancement is this: focus on playing a lot of cadets as Lt. Col. and you'll get promoted after 250 games and/or when you win at every scenario from both sides.

Honestly I did not go out of my way to do so. As a result I played >360 games as Lt. Col. instead of 250. Still and so, you can always just enjoy what you're doing like I did and play whoever was up for a game. I really only focused on finding cadets to play against the past 2-3 weeks. And that was more to see if I could determine what the requirement is.

So I want to keep encouraging the DOW crew to keep challenging us like this. Give us the tools, but don't make it too easy. Cool

clorofila wrote on Sun, 18 September 2011 17:33

I sure hope you're wrong, toddcalu... People should be able to track relevant promotion data directly in their personal career files, without going through a complicated web of cross-links. That would be a huge tedious task, as you well know it.
I leave this to the consideration of DoW's crew.

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Mon, 19 September 2011 06:26
toddcalu wrote on Mon, 19 September 2011 15:19

So I want to keep encouraging the DOW crew to keep challenging us like this. Give us the tools, but don't make it too easy. Cool


Well said Colonel. Razz Razz Razz Razz
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Tue, 20 September 2011 00:53
toddcalu wrote on Mon, 19 September 2011 04:19


So I want to keep encouraging the DOW crew to keep challenging us like this. Give us the tools, but don't make it too easy. Cool



I agree!
...though "too easy" has nothing to do with what I considered in my previous post.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Tue, 20 September 2011 07:37
Currently at 200 games, 102 wins across all scenarions

I think atleast 10 wins as each side across 5 different scenarios (taking out those that do not count - Rzhev, Warsaw, Tunisia, Toulon, Montelimar)

Still not a Lt Col so....

Are there other battles listed below that do not count?

EasternAllies 11
Red Barricades
Suomussalmi
Breakout at Klin
Gates of Moscow
Ponyri
Breakout to Lisyanka

Axis 10
Breakout to Lisyanka
Red Barricades Factory
Suomussalmi
Breakout at Klin
Gates of Moscow

Pacific

Allies 10
Matanikau River
Guam Landings
Slopes of Mount Austen
The Meat Grinder
Japanese Counterattack
Sugar Loaf and Half Moon

Axis 10
Wake Island
Slopes of Mount Austen
Japanese Counterattack
The Meat Grinder
Guam Landings

Med

Allies 11
Hellfire Pass
Dug in at Sidi Omar
Into the Cauldron
Sidi Rezegh Airfield
Panzers versus Grants
Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim
1st Armoured to the rescue
Escape via the Coastal Road

Axis 15
Sidi Rezegh Airfield
Panzers versus Grants
1st Armoured to the rescue
Sidi Rezegh Airfield
Hellfire Pass
Flanking Maneuver at Bir Hakeim
Dug in at Sidi Omar
Into the Cauldron
Escape via the Coastal Road

Western

Allies 14
Pegasus Bridge
First Assault Wave
Saverne Gap
Operation Cobra
St Vith
Sword Beach
Juno Beach
Counter-attack on Mortain

Axis 14 (or 11 if you do not count Operation Spring)
Saverne Gap
Operation Cobra
St Vith
Operation Spring
First Assault Wave
Vassieux


Unplayed Scenarios:
Knightsbridge
Mont Mouchet
Twin Villages
St Mere Englise
Arracount
Gallabat Metemma
Liberation of Paris
Arnhem
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Tue, 20 September 2011 08:21
It's probably less so the scenarios that do not count and moreso the scenarios unplayed.

van Voort wrote on Mon, 19 September 2011 22:37


Are there other battles listed below that do not count?

Unplayed Scenarios:
Mont Mouchet
Twin Villages
St Mere Englise
Arracount
Gallabat Metemma
Liberation of Paris
Arnhem

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Tue, 20 September 2011 08:39
I salute Commandant van Voort

What might you try to promote:

Based on the speculations in the first post I would suggest the folowing battleplan:

PLay and win Arnhem from the axis side (Not in the first post, but there was some speculation this might be needed.)
If you do this and do not promote we can cross it of the list

Play other majors (looking forward to seeing you on the battlefield Mad )

Try to check if you have played (or simply play again) against all available ranks (and possibly win)

Try to play (not necessarily win) all the scenarios listen above (And indeed we think Operation Spring does not count)


The order of the battleplan is based on what I think is most probable, except for Arnhem which is the " easiest" one to check.


(music starts to play, a little sad at first but growing more triumphant)
Good luck on your campaign and keep sending us your gathered intelligence.
If you, unfortunately, should not return Sad , it will not have been for nothing. Very Happy

I wish you many grenades, few flags, and remember there are a lot of majors and commandants supporting you and hoping to follow where you lead. If we meet you on the battlefield we will try to resist as long as possible, not because we begrudge you your promotion (which we do of course Mad ) but because we think it will make you a better person to strive against impossible odds (That being your peers, us. Twisted Evil )


Commandant van Voorst as your equal (just a little behind) I command you: go and get your promotion!
(Big musical finish with the whole orchestra)
Very Happy
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Tue, 20 September 2011 21:39
STOP PRESS

Winning Arnhem is not a sufficient condition


You also do not get "I love Pineapples" for rolling 5 of the things on a Finest Hour roll.


Yes, I did discover that in the same game
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Tue, 20 September 2011 22:43
Quote:

You also do not get "I love Pineapples" for rolling 5 of the things on a Finest Hour roll.


Or for rolling 5 grenades on TFH. No Grenade medal either.
Just did it. Lost the game.
What a cry baby I am!
I feel just like this kid in the picture right now.

http://watchingmssu.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/crying_baby.jpg?w=413&h=413

[Updated on: Tue, 20 September 2011 22:44]

      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Wed, 21 September 2011 00:56
Didn't win Star Wars either (rolled four stars and another figure on the 5th die) with TFH Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Thu, 22 September 2011 23:12
I also confirm it is not "Play every map" as I have done that and not been promoted.

I will take some time out and see how many players I have played of what rank in each theatre and my record against them
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Fri, 23 September 2011 08:18
van Voort wrote on Thu, 22 September 2011 23:12

I also confirm it is not "Play every map" as I have done that and not been promoted.

I will take some time out and see how many players I have played of what rank in each theatre and my record against them

Salutes to Commandant van Voort

Thanks for the intelligence.

One possible requirement that I failed to mention: you might need 225 battles overall.

So play 7 more battles and let us know what happens. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you.


If that doesn't work, I think you need to play more Major,s Commandants, Mayors, Maggiores and Rikugun Shosa.

Good luck in the hunt and on the battlefields.
      
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Re:[spoiler alert] Promotion requirements cadet through to Lt Colonel Fri, 23 September 2011 11:20
I have played every map on both sides (except Spring & knightsbridge, the last 2 added).

I played more than 225 games.

I played (and won) at least 2 majors (or better) with each side on all 4 theaters, on at least 2 different maps on each front SINCE I got promoted to major.

Still not Lt colonel.
      
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