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Sysyphus - Pommard
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NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Tue, 06 September 2011 22:12
Hi all board representatives !

This thread will be used for all the votes concerning an update of rules, or any questions submitted by the TD to the board if needed.


Only board representatives are allowed to post in this thread.

BIP Blubes
FIN Val
TuS Tenniskasi
AT Lucullupus
SMP JenAck
Maskaride - Vouvray
CAT-suburu
AGT-DN
ITA Qorlas
TRUE Rui
TIC Hecki
foudecoasters - cerdon
ommie AMD
UEG - Volleytom
UKB Will
SOS ?



Please, if you want to bring a new rule, discuss it first in this thread :

http://www.daysofwonder.com/fr/msg/?th=23131&start=0



First question :


Truckerteller agreed to be TD this year and nobody else applied : that means he would rule in case of any arguments.

a. Yes, Truckerteller should be inducted as TD for NC 2011
b. No, Truckerteller can't be TD.
c. We don't need a TD.



I know some teams have not yet their BR and that registration isn't closed either but this question has to be answered before NC starts (we plan to start next week, a schedule will be posted very soon).


The poll will close on Monday 12th at 21:00 CEST / 19:00 GMT / 15:00 Eastern Time.


Thx in advance.




[Updated on: Sun, 06 November 2011 20:25]

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Tue, 06 September 2011 22:49
a. Yes, Truckerteller should be inducted as TD for NC 2011

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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 01:08
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 01:21
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 08:36
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 12:34
a. Yes, Truckerteller should be inducted as TD for NC 2011
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 12:36
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 14:37
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 17:13
a !!!!!!!


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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 17:35
i'll break the possible tie

a

9 votes for truck


      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 17:41
a. Yes, Truckerteller should be inducted as TD for NC 2011

greetings tom
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 21:55
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 07 September 2011 23:09
co-captain #1 abroad, playing Bridge
co-captain #2 abroad, ... guess what he does ...
remote communication still works


So on behalf of team AT and my captains, I welcome Truckerteller as our NC TD.
I'm sure, we got the best!

Thx a lot for taking this burden, good luck and good nerves!

Answer: A
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Thu, 08 September 2011 18:10
i vote for a) Trucker to be inducted, and d) Sysyphus to rule the TTR world

I also vote UKB should win the tournament. I have 7 other votes (largely UKB players) who agree... Keep the majority happy!
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Thu, 08 September 2011 20:34
A)

for us to.
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Thu, 08 September 2011 21:34
Ok


With 14 votes in favor of him, unanimously supported,

I can gladly announce the induction of Truckerteller as the TD of NC 2011.


I decided to announce the final result a bit in advance in order to give Truckerteller more time to work "officially" as the new TD before competition starts.
He's now able to rule in case of arguments.


Reminder :


NC 2005 travisjhall (first NC/first TD)
NC 2006 thadd
NC 2007 thadd/shamogi
NC 2008 SKMorefield
NC 2009 SKMorefield
NC 2010 Shamogi




Now, that NC is almost ready to start (just time to close the registration, for SOS to find a board rep, and set up both groups on Sunday 11pm), I'd like to thank some of you.


TD : Truckerteller

Thx for volunteering for this hard job. I wish you the best luck and this vote makes sure that you have the whole community behind you.


Organizers : Qorlas and Myself

Thx to Qorlas for backing me in this long and tedious process of launching NC. His experience as TD of League always gives good advice.
Even if i've been the voice in the forum, we've always worked together.

First inspiration :

Thx to Onyx Puffin who was the first to wake up the community by sending a pm to all former Board Representatives.

Consultants:

Thx also to Val and Ommie for their precious advice too : we imagined several scenarios if nobody volunteered to be TD... Luckily, we didn't need any of them


Winks

And a final thanks to GFF, Knockando and suburu for having offered their help : having Truck volunteering made the process easier, but we know we can rely on you guys for the upcoming events if need be !



Good luck to each of you for the competition, hoping we will enjoy tons of tough and fun games in the best spirit possible !

Cheers,

Sysy / Julien

[Updated on: Thu, 08 September 2011 21:35]

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Sun, 06 November 2011 20:23
Well I'll set up a board vote for that, so that no problem will occur.

1) Matches to be completed

Shall all the matches be played in KO whatever the score is ?

a. Yes
b. No


If yes, should we add Stephan's wording to the present rule ?

All participating teams undertake to play all of their 'clashes' and matches in entirety

If a team refuses to complete a 'clash', the team will be
considered as having lost. The 'clash' will be awarded to its
opponents with a score of 3-0 or more if, in the case of an abandonment, the winning team has already reached a higher score. The guilty team will, as a general rule, be excluded from further participation in the competition. Further measures may be taken by the TD or Captain's board regarding individual player eligibility for future competitions.

c. Yes.
d. No, we need another wording.
e. No, we don't need a sanction / it's better to let the TD decide.


2) Tie-breaker rule.

To decide upon rank in the round robin, number of clashes won is the first tiebreaker, then number of matches won, then number of games won less number of games lost, then the round robin result between the relevant teams.


Shall we change the present rule setting tie-breakers for Round robin ?

f. Yes and switch to 1)Clashes Won, 2)Matches Won 3) Head to Head match-up.
g. No, we keep the current rule.




So, I need 3 answers by wednesday, 9th, 20.00 CEST, 2pm Eastern.
Please post in this current thread.

[Updated on: Fri, 11 November 2011 00:32]

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Sun, 06 November 2011 20:46
1 b) no

2 f) yes

[Updated on: Sun, 06 November 2011 20:46]

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Mon, 07 November 2011 00:13
1) b) no, not in ko, but to play is more sportsmanlike and more friendly for the spectators. If the loser team forfeits, no problem. If the loser team wants to play all the matches, the winner team has to play.

2) f) please change! maybe even 1) clashes won 2) head to head 3) matches won Razz
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Mon, 07 November 2011 09:19
b) No
f) Yes

[Updated on: Mon, 07 November 2011 09:20]

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Mon, 07 November 2011 22:24
1) i agree with Lupo
2) i dont know Wink
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Mon, 07 November 2011 22:27
1. b)

2. f)
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Mon, 07 November 2011 23:12
aef

Maybe I'm wrong, but don't we need a clarification in the wording of 'f'?

Question: What would group B final table look like with the new rule?

1 AMD 2 9 (2 clashes won, 9 matches won)
2 UKB 2 6
3 CAT 1 8
4 TUS 1 7

or

1/2 AMD/UKB with 2 clashes won, direct clash won by UKB
3/4 TUS/CAT with 1 clash won, direct clash won by TUS, so:

1 UKB 2 (3-2 vs AMD)
2 AMD 2
3 TUS 1 (3-2 vs CAT)
4 CAT 1
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Mon, 07 November 2011 23:37
I think, Dom is wrong, but maybe it's too late Rolling Eyes

Tiebraker #1 - Clashes won: TuS, AMD, CAT, UKB tie
they all have 5 clashes won
Tiebraker #2 - Matches won: TuS and AMD tie for 1st, CAT is 3rd, UKB 4th
TuS and AMD have 22, CAT 21, UKB 18
Tiebraker #3 - Head to Head match: TuS lost to AMD, so AMD=1st, TuS=2nd
other head to heads don't matter, as the only remaining tie is between TuS and AMD

But in a way Dom is right, we should probably add games won-lost as tiebraker #4 for the unlikely but possible case of a 3-way-tie.
Games won-lost is important here (instead of games won), as we don't play full matches of 5 games - for clashes and matches (that are always complete) "won" is the same as "won-lost", but for games it wouldn't be

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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Mon, 07 November 2011 23:45
You're right, dea - my scenario only fits with 'head to head' in front of 'matches won', so forget about it...

Lupo's suggestion

2) f) please change! maybe even 1) clashes won 2) head to head 3) matches won Razz

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Tue, 08 November 2011 00:01
For completeness (or total confusion? Rolling Eyes ), let's calculate the Lupo suggestion:

TUS: 1 win within the tie-breaker group (CAT)
AMD: 2 wins within the tie-breaker group (TUS, CAT)
CAT: 1 win within the tie-breaker group (UKB)
UKB: 2 wins within the tie-breaker group (TUS, AMD)

So AMD and UKB tie for 1st, TUS and CAT tie for 3rd

Now we're talking about matches won
==> AMD = 1st, TUS = 3rd

[Updated on: Tue, 08 November 2011 00:28]

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Tue, 08 November 2011 00:05
so maybe everyone who voted for "f" should clarify whether he means
"f" like "fiending Sysy"
or "f" like "friendly Lupo"
(other interpretations for "f" at your own risk Twisted Evil )

[Updated on: Tue, 08 November 2011 00:06]

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Tue, 08 November 2011 00:11
AT_dea1 schrieb am Tue, 08 November 2011 00:01

total confusion? Rolling Eyes )


the wording

f


1)Clashes Won, 2)Matches Won 3) Head to Head match-up.


does not say

'3) head to head matchup in CLASHES between all teams that still are tied after 2)

'4) head to head matchup in MATCHES between all teams that still are tied after 2)'

'5) head to head matchup in GAMES WON - GAMES LOST between all teams that still are tied after 2)'

but only

'3) Head to Head match-up'

so that was the reason of my question for clarification above!
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Tue, 08 November 2011 00:12
Dom's answer raises one more question for the Lupo-variant:

Does the head-to-head calculation stop after the first decision (= AMD and UKB tie for 1st, TUS and CAT for 3rd)
and we continue with matches won from there?
or also apply to the second (who is ahead between AMD/UKB and TUS/CAT)
so we now take the matches between AMD & UKB and TUS & CAT into account?
And when we come to matches, do we take all matches into account, or only the ones within the tie-breaker group?



OK, time I stop posting here, I just realize

Sysyphus AMD schrieb am Tue, 06 September 2011 22:12


Only board representatives are allowed to post in this thread.



Ooops, I did it again - soooooooooooooooorrrrrrryyyyyyy

[Updated on: Tue, 08 November 2011 00:36]

      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Tue, 08 November 2011 00:34
In the reading of the rule, i was thinking that tiebreaker number 1 would prevail over 2 & tiebreaker number would prevail over 3.

1) Clashes won to classify the teams:
1st = AMD TUS CAT UKB
5th = BIP
6th = AT
7th = WHITE
8th = Ita

2) Matches won to classify then teams fighting for 1st :
1st= AMD TUS
3rd= CAT
4th= UKB
etc..

3) Head to head to classify teams still fighting for first, others are already ranked, no need to use that tiebreaker for 1st.

1st= AMD
2nd=TUS
3rd=CAT
etc...

To Sum up, dea's right im(f)o.
If you wanna bring some confusion to the organization of the QT's tomorrow, you're welcome Very Happy !


Team don't forget to vote ! (confusion less welcome Smile )
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Tue, 08 November 2011 13:33
b)no
f)yes
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Tue, 08 November 2011 18:39
Voting from the UEGs:

1) b....but sportsman play....only if both cancel its ok

3) g


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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Tue, 08 November 2011 22:45
CAT's vote:

1) a. Yes (we think the lineup is made of 5 people and all 5 players should play. It can be acceptable not to play if the loser team refuses, we will accept it but we don't really agree).
e. No, we don't need a sanction

2) g. No, we keep the current rule.

Not a single a, just another g ... It looks like we think a bit different ... Rolling Eyes Oh, well ...
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Tue, 08 November 2011 23:22
really?

aef


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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Tue, 08 November 2011 23:28
Including bip's vote by pm (b;f), so far we have :

a:2
b:8

c:0
d:0
e:2

f:7
g:2
idk:1

6 more teams to vote please : AMD, Red, ITA, UKB, TuS, TIC
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Tue, 08 November 2011 23:56
1.a.  You sign up, you play.
  d.  Should be more of a penalty to the player, not the team.


2.f. Change it!




      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Wed, 09 November 2011 00:36
I'm not supposed to post here, but since I proposed the change to the tie-breaker rule - just need to include a note about it.
Listed as:
1) Clashes
2) Matches
3) Head to Head**

**Head to Head results of ALL tied Teams are looked at first for Clashes, if still a tie then Matches, and if still a tie then Games Won.

Example 1 (Team A,B,C tied for overall Clashes and Matches):
Team A beat Team B (3:2)
Team B beat Team C (4:1)
Team C beat Team A (3:2)
All teams won 1 Clash against each other, so look at matches won. Team A won 5 Matches, Team B won 6 Matches, Team C won 4 Matches. So rank is B,A,C.





      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 2nd vote closes Wed. 9th. Wed, 09 November 2011 00:44
for ITA:

b and g
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 09 November 2011 09:33
AGT-DN wrote on Tue, 08 November 2011 23:22

really?

aef


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Nice!!! We are not alone, then! Smile
      
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Re:NC 2011 : Board - 1st vote closes Mon. 12th. Wed, 09 November 2011 16:44
for RED :

1a - e
2f
      
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