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somerent
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  IS this a bug or should it be a penalty? Wed, 25 June 2003 07:35
You start a game and play a round and then you get your next hand and someone drops out and then comes back in. It gives you a new hand for better or for worse. I have seen an opponent drop out up to 3 times and then stay and he has an amazing hand and sets the rest of us. Shouldn't this get fixed or the person get penalized for this behavior? The easiest thing to do would stop the redealing of all the hands. Is there some reason to not do this?

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Sloven
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Re:IS this a bug or should it be a penalty? Wed, 25 June 2003 07:42
I think it should be a penalty. I see it happen too many times. And it is getting old. Essentially it is a form of cheating, and should not be tolerated.
      
MarkoPolo
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Re:IS this a bug or should it be a penalty? Thu, 26 June 2003 03:01
Obviously quitting to restart and get a better hand is inexcusable behavior. Evil or Very Mad

There are some technical programming issues, as well as gameplay reasons for not re-dealing the same cards after someone quits. When one or more players have played some cards, other players will have a strategic advantage if there is a restart with the same cards. Even if we tracked whether any cards were played to determine if we could restart with the same deal, a potential cheater (unless he is playing first) could let some people play cards and then quit to get a re-shuffle.

Because it's certainly possible that a player could be legitimately knocked out of a game from a bug, crash or internet disconnect at the beginning of a hand, we tend to follow the general rule that if it happens:
Once - assume it's not their fault;
Twice - you should be suspicious;
Third time - unless circumstances lead you to another conclusion, assume they are attempting to cheat.

Rather than get hostile and accuse the player of cheating, we suggest you simply ask them not to join the new game you are starting.

You can penalize the player's rankings by going to your Games History ("Scores & Ranks" page in "My Account") selecting the game line and clicking on "Penalty". There is a 15 minute delay before you can penalize someone and all three of the other players from a game must vote to penalize.

The easiest thing to do is to simply remember who they are and refuse to play with them.
      
Maître Fâche
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Re:IS this a bug or should it be a penalty? Tue, 04 November 2003 15:23
Just two questions here:

1) Why is there a new shuffle when we resume a game? In Queen's Necklace the game is resumed at the very same point it's been left (except during sales).

2) What's going on when a player is penalized? And why there is not the same penalization system on Queen's Necklace?
      
Brice
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Re:IS this a bug or should it be a penalty? Tue, 04 November 2003 15:49
Maître Fâche wrote on Tue, 04 November 2003 15:23


1) Why is there a new shuffle when we resume a game? In Queen's Necklace the game is resumed at the very same point it's been left (except during sales).


This is historical Wink
Development is done in a way that each new game has more features than the previous, but inherits part of the framework. Unfortunately there was a huge code clean-up between GOF and QN, so that backporting new features is not so easy...

Moreover the resume data format will change if we implement the new version, that will certainly create some interresting troubles between the 'old' games and the new games...

Maître Fâche wrote on Tue, 04 November 2003 15:23


2) What's going on when a player is penalized? And why there is not the same penalization system on Queen's Necklace?

Yann: can you answer this question, I thought we had the penalty system on QN too...

[Updated on: Tue, 04 November 2003 15:50]

      
Azarkon
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Re:IS this a bug or should it be a penalty? Sat, 08 November 2003 20:03
Has the penalty system been effective-- has anyone ever gotten hit? I've voted numerous times to penalize people but have never seen it come to fruition, even when people have organised a campagin to penalize the person, and if two friends are both cheaters and play together, they'll never be put down. It seems to me that the system is too lax-- consider putting someone on "probation" if voted against by a certin threshold, maybe 5 votes (by different users, of course) in the last 10 games, which would trigger for an easier penalization system, or possibly have a quasi private option when starting a new game-- no users on probation allowed. (you could further add to this option by excluding those on your "ignore list" as well)

[Updated on: Sat, 08 November 2003 20:06]

      
    
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