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Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 11:55
I want remind certain players to the fact that this is a game, and is supposed to be fun.
Even if things don't go your way, (dice are bad, cards are bad, opponent is lucky, strategy is not going as planned, ... ) you can still try to make the best of it, and be a good sport about it for your opponents sake.
Of course you start each game to win, but you can ajust that goal during the game: if things go particularily bad, you can set yourself the goal to at least get 2 medals before you get slaughtered, etc ...

This is a good community, and you don't want to be the one outcast that is not liked, do you?

What happened to me today with one opponent was really an example of how you shouldn't behave.
During my first turn, my opponent already claimed that my aggressive tactics was ridiculous for that scenario. That I might get some quick medals, but it would end in disaster for me. Every turn I would get comments on my actions like "nice, but futile" ... Right before he played his best card, he said: "and now the fun is over for you" ... I thought it was wiser not to respond too much to those typings.
When I was 6-2 ahead on this 7 medal scenario, he just left.
After I ended the game against Johnny 2 turns later, I saw his name in the lobby. I asked what had happened, if he got disconnected. He didn't answer, so I used the desk bell button to attract his attention. He just left the lobby (or became invisible).

What can you learn from this:
- While it is nice to teach your opponent about tactics, it is not nice to use a negative and condescending tone to comment your opponents actions.
- When you are loosing, it is still good to show your opponent the courtesy to sit out the game.
- You will often get the benefit of the doubt when disconnecting from a game. Most opponents will assume you had connection problems. When you ignore queries about your disconnection, you will however loose that benefit of the doubt and will be blacklisted by that opponent.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 12:14
I totaly agree.

The best thing one can do is to place such an opponent in the ignore list (have one in mind also). Is there a way to do this when he's not playing?
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 12:29
Dietrich von Kleist wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 06:14

I totaly agree.

The best thing one can do is to place such an opponent in the ignore list (have one in mind also). Is there a way to do this when he's not playing?


You can go to your MY ACCOUNT page and go to your MY BUDDIES AND IGNORE LISTS. Type in the name or use the FIND function and enter the name of the person you want to ignore. Click on ADD and you are done.

On a positive note, this is how you also ADD buddies while they are offline.

      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 12:44
stevens wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 12:29

Dietrich von Kleist wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 06:14

I totaly agree.

The best thing one can do is to place such an opponent in the ignore list (have one in mind also). Is there a way to do this when he's not playing?


You can go to your MY ACCOUNT page and go to your MY BUDDIES AND IGNORE LISTS. Type in the name or use the FIND function and enter the name of the person you want to ignore. Click on ADD and you are done.

On a positive note, this is how you also ADD buddies while they are offline.





It works, Thanks!
I also added you, as buddy of course! Smile
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 14:55
I've been quite surprised at how friendly and helpful the community in this game is. I always strive to be affable, even when getting absolutely trounced. Quitting shows an absolute lack of respect and is never acceptable outside of technical failures in my opinion.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 15:55
On another topic, I found it interesting that the last three posts where from one each of those with IRON MAN, IRON ARMOR and IRON ARTILLERY.

http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/achievements/50_ribbon.png

http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/achievements/51_ribbon.png


What are the ODDS? Laughing
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 15:56
http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/achievements/52_ribbon.png

Thanks Dietrich. A kind gesture.

[Updated on: Fri, 17 February 2012 15:57]

      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 15:59
stevens wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 06:55

On another topic, I found it interesting that the last three posts where from one each of those with IRON MAN, IRON ARMOR and IRON ARTILLERY.

http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/achievements/50_ribbon.png

http://cdn.daysofwonder.com/memoir44/achievements/51_ribbon.png


What are the ODDS? Laughing


Might be the reason their opponents quit! Laughing
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 17:19
Pestilence wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 17:55

I've been quite surprised at how friendly and helpful the community in this game is. I always strive to be affable, even when getting absolutely trounced. Quitting shows an absolute lack of respect and is never acceptable outside of technical failures in my opinion.


I'm glad that you've had a pleasant surprise with this community! I think we're a friendly bunch, so it's good that new people think so too. Smile

Welcome to the forums and I hope we'll see you around here more. Cool
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 17:30
rasmussen81 wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 16:19

Pestilence wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 17:55

I've been quite surprised at how friendly and helpful the community in this game is. I always strive to be affable, even when getting absolutely trounced. Quitting shows an absolute lack of respect and is never acceptable outside of technical failures in my opinion.


I'm glad that you've had a pleasant surprise with this community! I think we're a friendly bunch, so it's good that new people think so too. Smile

Welcome to the forums and I hope we'll see you around here more. Cool


Thanks. Smile

The type of players I've encountered were very instrumental in my decision to purchase a ton of GIs the other day, as I can see myself sticking around for a while.

My first few games against another player when starting out were just great, including one player (unfortunately I can't remember the name right now!) immediately getting into a discussion about the board game (which I'll be buying very soon!), and giving me all sorts of pointers and tips, before running a rematch and taking me through some tactics and rules. In the end, they offered thanks for the game and expressed their hope to meet me again when I've gotten my skill with the game up. Honestly... you can't ask for any better than that, can you?
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 17:39
Pestilence wrote on Fri, 17 February 2012 20:30

Thanks. Smile

The type of players I've encountered were very instrumental in my decision to purchase a ton of GIs the other day, as I can see myself sticking around for a while.

My first few games against another player when starting out were just great, including one player (unfortunately I can't remember the name right now!) immediately getting into a discussion about the board game (which I'll be buying very soon!), and giving me all sorts of pointers and tips, before running a rematch and taking me through some tactics and rules. In the end, they offered thanks for the game and expressed their hope to meet me again when I've gotten my skill with the game up. Honestly... you can't ask for any better than that, can you?


No, you can't ask for any better!! And most players are just like that...though be aware that we still have our 'prickly' bunch, our 'grumpy' bunch, and a few 'hardcore-I -have-to-win' bunch...so if you meet any of them you can just add them to your Ignore list and move on to find the rest of us 'friendly' bunch.

It's great to hear that you'll be sticking around and playing the game more. If you see me online, give me an invite and I'll be happy to play! Very Happy

PS - do you know how to add someone to your 'ignore' list or your 'buddy' list? If not, we can help you figure out how... Smile
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Fri, 17 February 2012 19:54
Sorry to hear of your bad experience. It seems to me that playing M44 is to some guys a way to assert their inflated ego.
Where is only just fun, even when you have a bad spell of luck.
Of course If i had played against one of those lucky guys who got iron armor or iron infantry... It is good that no sounds could cross the virtual gulf between the players, the written word is softer at times. Smile
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Sat, 18 February 2012 02:39
Good thread. I'm all about playing for fun and so far (knock on wood) my experience in the first week of playing has been completely positive. No patience for jerks, so I will have no problem using the ignore feature if I need to. Razz
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Tue, 21 February 2012 02:30
I am curious, and I probably have not scoured the posts enough to find it, but I had an opponent leave a game today (one he was clearly winning), The robot ("Johnny") took over and I lost.When I checked my record the opponent was listed as the winner. Why are players credited with wins if they do not complete a game. Seems like bailing ought to be a "DNF" or "No Result." Am I missing something here>
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Tue, 21 February 2012 02:56
BaarltheBear wrote on Tue, 21 February 2012 05:30

I am curious, and I probably have not scoured the posts enough to find it, but I had an opponent leave a game today (one he was clearly winning), The robot ("Johnny") took over and I lost.When I checked my record the opponent was listed as the winner. Why are players credited with wins if they do not complete a game. Seems like bailing ought to be a "DNF" or "No Result." Am I missing something here>


If Johnny takes over, the battle still counts toward any records so that the poor player who didn't leave the game has a chance to still get credit for the time they put into the battle. If all of those battles didn't count, there would be a lot more uproar about the people who have to leave mid-game or leave the battlefield when they see that they're losing! As it is, you still have a chance to win (and Johnny is usually a worse opponent, so you often have a better chance to win) and you can still gain points for the battle.

The necessary evil in all of this is that if you lose, the other player can also get points even after they leave...but this doesn't happen as often, and thankfully people don't leave battles too much. Smile

I hope this makes a little bit of sense! Cool If not, feel free to ask for more clarification.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Wed, 22 February 2012 07:08
I don't put people on "ignore" if they just don't want to do a rematch.

I've put some people on who have the "red dot" meaning they don't complete games. Who needs the trouble?

I've had connection problems on occassion, so would hope a guy would wait a couple minutes if I get disconnected. Two guys didn't, so I put them on my ignore list. One of them got beat by Johnny in a scenario I found difficult.

Recently I was up 4-1 or so, and the opponent left. I know you can still be online, but have connection issues with the server, so waited a few minutes, but he didn't come back. I wasn't willing to give up my win, just because he was P.O.'d, so kept playing. He must have realized the game was still in progress and he'd be penalized for not finishing, so came back by the last turn.

This same guy tried something else nasty against my friend, who I'd warned about him. He apparently didn't like his starting cards so left before the first turn. He didn't come back, so my friend left and then in the lobby the guy invited him to the same scenario! That's when we figured out he was after better cards.

One problem with ignore, is that though you may not see their posts or comments in the lobby, they can still invite you to a game.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Wed, 22 February 2012 07:57
JFKoski wrote on Wed, 22 February 2012 10:08

I don't put people on "ignore" if they just don't want to do a rematch.

I've put some people on who have the "red dot" meaning they don't complete games. Who needs the trouble?

I've had connection problems on occassion, so would hope a guy would wait a couple minutes if I get disconnected. Two guys didn't, so I put them on my ignore list. One of them got beat by Johnny in a scenario I found difficult.


You're welcome to add people to "Ignore" lists for whatever reason you want, but don't forget that we have a lot of players who don't know Memoir '44 very well. I figure that if I get bumped from a game, it's up to me to get back in a fast as I can and a player may not even realize that I'm gone! I don't always have time to wait, and I don't know why they left...or if it was computer trouble.

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Recently I was up 4-1 or so, and the opponent left. I know you can still be online, but have connection issues with the server, so waited a few minutes, but he didn't come back. I wasn't willing to give up my win, just because he was P.O.'d, so kept playing. He must have realized the game was still in progress and he'd be penalized for not finishing, so came back by the last turn.

This same guy tried something else nasty against my friend, who I'd warned about him. He apparently didn't like his starting cards so left before the first turn. He didn't come back, so my friend left and then in the lobby the guy invited him to the same scenario! That's when we figured out he was after better cards.


I would caution us to not assume evil intentions too quickly. Unless the player is being rude and is obviously has issues, there are any number of reasons for him to behave the way you described. Maybe it just took him a while to reconnect to the game...and maybe he just didn't know that could restart the same match. Not everyone is trying to be sneaky; some people are just confused! Smile

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One problem with ignore, is that though you may not see their posts or comments in the lobby, they can still invite you to a game.


This does seem to go against the idea of Ignoring people...I wonder if this could be modified in the future.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Wed, 22 February 2012 18:15
When I say to someone, "Please stop for a few minutes, I'm having connection problems," and they keep playing after the server knocks me out again, then I'm done with him.

Likewise, when I say "I got knocked off, and didn't get to play the last 3 or 4 turns, can we quit; it's only 2-2?" and they say "No" or nothing, then that's that.

The other guy said something like "Your dice are too good, I'm done," before he left.

I've also had someone start a rematch, and then quit because my opening card was "too good."

Why bother wasting the time with these people?
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Wed, 22 February 2012 19:35
JFKoski wrote on Wed, 22 February 2012 21:15

When I say to someone, "Please stop for a few minutes, I'm having connection problems," and they keep playing after the server knocks me out again, then I'm done with him.

Likewise, when I say "I got knocked off, and didn't get to play the last 3 or 4 turns, can we quit; it's only 2-2?" and they say "No" or nothing, then that's that.

The other guy said something like "Your dice are too good, I'm done," before he left.

I've also had someone start a rematch, and then quit because my opening card was "too good."

Why bother wasting the time with these people?


I agree, and in your place I would probably have added them to my Ignore list! Smile

From what you had said before, it sounded like you assumed that they were quitting the game but from the sounds of it they made it very clear that they were quitting or that they were not interested in being nice. If players are rude, mean, or frustrating then adding them to the Ignore list is exactly why it's there. Cool
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 02:40
Here's something new. A guy left without saying anything other than "darn" after he missed. I decided to wait for him. Now I got disconnected from the game with an error message saying "you have been disconnected... because you weren't doing anything."

What a pisser.

I'm not sure how long that was. 5 minutes?

[Updated on: Mon, 27 February 2012 02:41]

      
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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 02:54
Happened to me too, a few months ago.
I think that DoW should make very clear what happens and when it happens, regarding this disconnected issue: because of what JFKoski just stated, I'm less willing to wait for my opponent and more tempted to keep playing against the bot.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 09:32
JFKoski wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 02:40

Here's something new. A guy left without saying anything other than "darn" after he missed. I decided to wait for him. Now I got disconnected from the game with an error message saying "you have been disconnected... because you weren't doing anything."

What a pisser.

I'm not sure how long that was. 5 minutes?


Actually the worst thing is that if your opponent leaves the keyboard but doesn't abandon the game in YOUR turn and you roll a flag against him then YOU get the disconnect (and penalty in honor).

This isn't really fair, but I'm not sure how it can be fixed.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 11:40
This weekend an opponent was loosing a game and sent me the message "I surrender" and "want to play a rematch". Rolling Eyes When I asked him if he couldn"t at least finish the battle he asked my why. Before I had the time to send a reply AI took over.

Maybe DOW could create a "white flag" or "surrender button"? Cool

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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 15:28
Good idea.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 16:10
I fully support the idea of Surrender button.

With Surrender, your opponent gets full credit, and you don't have to Abandon game in a situation like when you're fed up with your rolls or have to quit suddenly and yes, sometimes you have to. Of course manners tell you you should apologize to your opponent, and if the foreseen AFK is short, he/she can wait, but sometimes it's an emergency, and you should have the right of forfeiting the game).

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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 17:53
I have thought that this could be a good idea as well but it could also be abused by players to get easy victories and promotions by having a friend play you then just surrender and quit.
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 19:01
I think that a surrender button will ba a good idea ONLY if there is a "I Accept" option for the other side. Otherwise it is a bad idea.

With surrender button AND with "I Accept option":
- allows in case of emergency to apologize and surrender, and given great community, the other side will surly understand and accept
- when two sides start the game they accpet the rules and scenario; it seems fair that both sides have something to say if they want the game to be played till the end;


With surrender button AND without "I Accept option"
- someone else decides when the game ends
- you paid for a game (to have fun); might happen that after first round someone is not pleased with his hand and surrenders; and you get nothing for your credits
- you will most likely see much more unsatisfactory game ends then satisfactory ones (and do not tell me that you do not have any fun in this final winning throws)
- there is no way to mark "bad sport" players. Now they get red dots; with surrender option they can be rude, surrender and the community will not even know;
- will be much more unfinished games, which in my view is not a good direction
      
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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 19:19
AIwan wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 19:01

I think that a surrender button will ba a good idea ONLY if there is a "I Accept" option for the other side. Otherwise it is a bad idea.

With surrender button AND with "I Accept option":




I was thinking just the same. It gives opportunity to communicate about it.
It's a win-win situation: the player that surrenders doesn't loose honor and the other one wins of course.

About this being a method for letting a friend easily win games, this can also be done by just letting him win.


      
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Re:Be a good sport. Mon, 27 February 2012 19:45
Dietrich von Kleist wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 10:19

AIwan wrote on Mon, 27 February 2012 19:01

I think that a surrender button will ba a good idea ONLY if there is a "I Accept" option for the other side. Otherwise it is a bad idea.

With surrender button AND with "I Accept option":




I was thinking just the same. It gives opportunity to communicate about it.
It's a win-win situation: the player that surrenders doesn't loose honor and the other one wins of course.

About this being a method for letting a friend easily win games, this can also be done by just letting him win.





True but right now it is not very convenient to do, with a surrender button a player can surrender on the first turn without even putting up a fight.
Maybe surrender can be an option if certain requirements are met like a minimum amount of game turns and or the winner has a certain medal advantage over the opponent.
      
    
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